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[CUBZ99]

MAYBE if they "threw in" GEOVANY SOTO and picked up like 60% of Soriano's contract, Boston would consider it.

 

I see why you are having such a tough time grasping this. YOU are the one that's NUTS!

 

It is BOSTON that is desperate, not the Cubs! The Cubs would be dealing from a position of strength, and regardless wouldn't be putting Soto or any regular, other than Soriano, in such a package.

 

Most teams wouldn't be willing to give up such an offensive threat, and that makes a deal for Soriano even more attractive.

 

Remember, I didn't say this was GOING to happen, only that it might. But if the Red Sox were indeed willing to see Beltran as a real offensive threat, how much more valuable would Soriano be to them?

Are you Alfonso Soriano's mom or something?

 

No, the old timers on this board know who I am, but for your info, I am someone that reads a lot of "lines", and because of my pedigree in the game, I know what needs to be done, and how to get it done. I am also able to read between those "lines", and keep my ears open. Although my contacts in the game are diminishing due to age and health issues, I still have a few of those, too.

 

I'd love to believe you have a clue what you're talking about. Most people here would love to believe Soriano has positive trade value. But most people here live in reality, where it's clear that Soriano's contract was atrocious even when they thought he could stay healthy and play center field. Now that we know he can't do either of those things, the Cubs are stuck paying a superstar salary to a pretty good but declining player who is already more trouble than he's worth.

 

You're talking two different things: Whether I have "clue" or not, and whether Soriano has any trade value.

 

The answer to the latter is YES, how much will be settled like most barters, by what you get in return, WHEN that bartering is finished, not before! We'll see if Boston can get what they are looking for without coming after Soriano. Is that possible? Sure! Not likely, but sure!

 

To the first, I'll debate any portion of the game you or anyone else would care to debate, but I'd hate to embarrass anyone, that's not my thing...but sometimes I have to come close just to get the attention of some of these dolts!

 

You're really not understanding.

 

If Hendry called Theo Epstein and said "You can have Soriano, all you have to do is take on his entire contract", Epstein would say no. Soriano is not even close to being their type of player, and even if he was, they wouldn't want that awful contract.

 

If Boston was really as desperate as you say they are, they would have caved and given Teixeira that extra 15 million or whatever it was.

 

Now you are sounding as ridiculous as you claim that BroLight sounds. Epstien would gladly take Soriano and his contract if he didn't have to give up anything. Its not like the Red Sox are hurting for money and its not like Soriano hasn't earned his contract to this point.

 

It's not aobut earning his contract to this point. It's about whether or not he'll earn the rrest of his contract. You know that perfectly well, and it's the reason why people think the contract is awful. He's basiaclly be making 18 million until he's 39. Not good.

 

I reallllly don't think he'd take Soriano back with that contract. I'm like 99% positive. I mean, think about it signing him as a free agent right now. We all know how Boston builds offenses. When was the last time they spent good money on a non OBP/walk guy?

 

Plus there's his age and the fact that his legs look like they're breaking down. We all know how good the Red Sox usually are with not keeping guys too long and getting locked into many bad contracts.

 

I mean, other than the draft pick they'd hypothetically lose, it's basically like they'd be signing a free agent. You think if Soriano was a free agent right now the Red Sox would give him a 6/106 contract? Forget the fact that he's 33 and showing signs of breaking down physically.... he's just not at all their type of player. They've been successful by avoiding those types of players and fully embracing sabermetrics (I mean, come on, they employ Bill james).

 

So no, I don't see how you can call what I said ridiculous. To me it's ridiculous to think they'd give Soriano 6/106 now. To me that's about as likely as them trying to bring Manny back.

 

Soriano would have been one of the top producing Red Sox last year. I know its popular to dump on Hendry for every move, but you should really try to argue facts instead of hyperbole. An .876 OPS isn't something that teams come by everyday. And yes, if Soriano was a Free Agent some team would pay him at least 6/106MM in the current market.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

to dump on Hendry for every move, but you should really try to argue facts instead of hyperbole. An .876 OPS isn't something that teams come by everyday. And yes, if Soriano was a Free Agent some team would pay him at least 6/106MM in the current market.

 

The Yankees might. Nobody else would.

 

And I'm honestly beginning to wonder if you actually watch some sort of alternative universe baseball there's actually inflation in the free-agent market and the Red Sox didn't have Manny Ramirez, Kevin Youkilis, J.D. Drew and David Ortiz last season.

Edited January 5, 2009 by Hairyducked Idiot

[CUBZ99]

Now you are sounding as ridiculous as you claim that BroLight sounds. Epstien would gladly take Soriano and his contract if he didn't have to give up anything. Its not like the Red Sox are hurting for money and its not like Soriano hasn't earned his contract to this point.

 

Then why didn't they give him that contract to begin with?

 

Are you serious? LOL

 

Absolutely.

 

Every team in baseball had a chance to valuate Soriano when he was a free agent. The Cubs presumably valued him more than anyone else, or else someone else would have given him more money.

 

He has no trade value at his current contract. None. Zilch.

 

And its impossible that his value changed due to inflation or the fact that he is improving his career numbers? To say he has no trade value is about as stupid as it gets.

 

Wait, inflation? Have you seen what's been going on this offseason? Have you not heard about the economy? Adam Dunn is probably only going to get like 2-3 years. I haven't Burrell's name once. Manny is coming off yet another monster season and barely anybody wants to pay him.

 

Outside of what the Yankees are doing, contracts are down, not up. K-Rod just got 3/37 when a year ago Cordero got 5/50.

 

Tex just got a ridiculous contract, or are you not up to date on those things? And as far as Manny goes, we don't have any idea what Manny will get. To claim that nobody wants him is once again an ignorant statement. Its not a matter if anybody wants him, its a matter of how much they are willing to pay.

 

And I'm not great at math, but isn't 3/37MM more per year than 5/50???

Edited January 5, 2009 by CUBZ99

[17 Seconds]

Now you are sounding as ridiculous as you claim that BroLight sounds. Epstien would gladly take Soriano and his contract if he didn't have to give up anything. Its not like the Red Sox are hurting for money and its not like Soriano hasn't earned his contract to this point.

 

Then why didn't they give him that contract to begin with?

 

Are you serious? LOL

 

Absolutely.

 

Every team in baseball had a chance to valuate Soriano when he was a free agent. The Cubs presumably valued him more than anyone else, or else someone else would have given him more money.

 

He has no trade value at his current contract. None. Zilch.

 

And its impossible that his value changed due to inflation or the fact that he is improving his career numbers? To say he has no trade value is about as stupid as it gets.

 

No, saying that 6/106 for a 33 year old player whose legs are breaking down is a contract is "as stupid as it gets".

 

It's like you're under the impression that Soriano is likely to perform this way for the next 6 years. If he was 28 years old, okay, maybe. He's 33. Depending on who you listen to, a player's statistical prime is like 25-29 or likr 27-32. Either way, Sorianop is statistically out of his prime and you should expect to see some decline in performance around now. Obviously we don't know for sure when that happens, but it's a GMs job to try and anticipate that.

 

I'll say it again, a 33 year old Soriano with legs that are breaking down is not worth 6/106, and that means he has no trade value.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Tex just got a ridiculous contract, or are you not up to date on those things? And as far as Manny goes, we don't have any idea what Manny will get. To claim that nobody wants him is once again an ignorant statement. Its not a matter if anybody wants him, its a matter of how much they are willing to pay.

 

Teixeira is not 33, and Soriano is not Ramirez.

 

At the very least, please stop the "stupid" and "ignorant" crap in every post, you are embarassing yourself badly enough as it is.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Tex just got a ridiculous contract, or are you not up to date on those things? And as far as Manny goes, we don't have any idea what Manny will get. To claim that nobody wants him is once again an ignorant statement. Its not a matter if anybody wants him, its a matter of how much they are willing to pay.

 

Teixeira is not 33, and Soriano is not Ramirez.

 

At the very least, please stop the "stupid" and "ignorant" crap in every post, you are embarassing yourself badly enough as it is.

 

You are exactly right about what they are willing to pay. Two years ago, nobody was willing to pay what the Cubs were willing to pay. The only thing that has changed is that Soriano is two years past his likely prime and the economy is collapsing, so there's utterly no reason to think anybody would be willing to pay that again.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And I'm not great at math, but isn't 3/37MM more per year than 5/50???

 

If Soriano's contract was only three years, he'd have some value.

 

That's the second time I've seen lately on this board someone try to diminish the value to the player of having their post-prime years locked in by a long contract.

[17 Seconds]

Now you are sounding as ridiculous as you claim that BroLight sounds. Epstien would gladly take Soriano and his contract if he didn't have to give up anything. Its not like the Red Sox are hurting for money and its not like Soriano hasn't earned his contract to this point.

 

Then why didn't they give him that contract to begin with?

 

Are you serious? LOL

 

Absolutely.

 

Every team in baseball had a chance to valuate Soriano when he was a free agent. The Cubs presumably valued him more than anyone else, or else someone else would have given him more money.

 

He has no trade value at his current contract. None. Zilch.

 

And its impossible that his value changed due to inflation or the fact that he is improving his career numbers? To say he has no trade value is about as stupid as it gets.

 

Wait, inflation? Have you seen what's been going on this offseason? Have you not heard about the economy? Adam Dunn is probably only going to get like 2-3 years. I haven't Burrell's name once. Manny is coming off yet another monster season and barely anybody wants to pay him.

 

Outside of what the Yankees are doing, contracts are down, not up. K-Rod just got 3/37 when a year ago Cordero got 5/50.

 

Tex just got a ridiculous contract, or are you not up to date on those things? And as far as Manny goes, we don't have any idea what Manny will get. To claim that nobody wants him is once again an ignorant statement. Its not a matter if anybody wants him, its a matter of how much they are willing to pay.

 

I like how you specifically ignore how I said "outside of the Yankees". I mean, don't even try to act like you don't know the Yankees are playing a different game. They're opening a new stadium, have a ton of contracts from last year off the books, are coming off a season where they failed to make the playoffs, and THEY'RE THE YANKEES.

 

To claim that nobody wants him is once again an ignorant statement. Its not a matter if anybody wants him, its a matter of how much they are willing to pay

 

Umm, isn't that what we're discussing? You're really making weak arguments that make no sense right now. Of course teams want him, I'm pretty sure that's a given. I'm sure every team wants every good player. We're discussing what teams are willing to pay for players. Everything that's been written this offseason has basically said there has been little interest in Manny.

 

Anyways, Manny was just an example. OUTSIDE OF THE YANKEES, contracts are all down right now. This is being talked about everywhere. The economy is affecting contracts big time right now. Almost everybody is getting less than what they thought they'd be able to get, and you're talking about "inflation".

 

Right.

 

Really this is a dumb argumnet, because if you don't understand how a bad contract like Soriano's kills trade value, then you're not worth talking to.

 

Have you not seen what Marquis' contract has done to his trade value? Obviously I'm not saying he'd a good player, but he's leagure average. A league average starter has value right now, but we're being forced to eat a million of his salary AND take back a crappy reliever making 3.5 million. Why? Because he has a bad contract. Just like Soriano.

[CUBZ99]

Now you are sounding as ridiculous as you claim that BroLight sounds. Epstien would gladly take Soriano and his contract if he didn't have to give up anything. Its not like the Red Sox are hurting for money and its not like Soriano hasn't earned his contract to this point.

 

Then why didn't they give him that contract to begin with?

 

Are you serious? LOL

 

Absolutely.

 

Every team in baseball had a chance to valuate Soriano when he was a free agent. The Cubs presumably valued him more than anyone else, or else someone else would have given him more money.

 

He has no trade value at his current contract. None. Zilch.

 

And its impossible that his value changed due to inflation or the fact that he is improving his career numbers? To say he has no trade value is about as stupid as it gets.

 

No, saying that 6/106 for a 33 year old player whose legs are breaking down is a contract is "as stupid as it gets".

 

It's like you're under the impression that Soriano is likely to perform this way for the next 6 years. If he was 28 years old, okay, maybe. He's 33. Depending on who you listen to, a player's statistical prime is like 25-29 or likr 27-32. Either way, Sorianop is statistically out of his prime and you should expect to see some decline in performance around now. Obviously we don't know for sure when that happens, but it's a GMs job to try and anticipate that.

 

I'll say it again, a 33 year old Soriano with legs that are breaking down is not worth 6/106, and that means he has no trade value.

 

Its pointless to try to argue with someone that believes they know every thing. You refuse to argue with facts or anything other than hyperbole. Also, I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are more intelligent to truly thin that Soriano has zero trade value. Every player always has some trade value.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Its pointless to try to argue with someone that believes they know every thing. You refuse to argue with facts or anything other than hyperbole. Also, I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are more intelligent to truly thin that Soriano has zero trade value. Every player always has some trade value.

 

 

Do you honestly believe that?

 

That there's no player in the entire league (or even theoretically possible?) to have a player with a contract so bad no one would take him for free?

[17 Seconds]

MAYBE if they "threw in" GEOVANY SOTO and picked up like 60% of Soriano's contract, Boston would consider it.

 

I see why you are having such a tough time grasping this. YOU are the one that's NUTS!

 

It is BOSTON that is desperate, not the Cubs! The Cubs would be dealing from a position of strength, and regardless wouldn't be putting Soto or any regular, other than Soriano, in such a package.

 

Most teams wouldn't be willing to give up such an offensive threat, and that makes a deal for Soriano even more attractive.

 

Remember, I didn't say this was GOING to happen, only that it might. But if the Red Sox were indeed willing to see Beltran as a real offensive threat, how much more valuable would Soriano be to them?

Are you Alfonso Soriano's mom or something?

 

No, the old timers on this board know who I am, but for your info, I am someone that reads a lot of "lines", and because of my pedigree in the game, I know what needs to be done, and how to get it done. I am also able to read between those "lines", and keep my ears open. Although my contacts in the game are diminishing due to age and health issues, I still have a few of those, too.

 

I'd love to believe you have a clue what you're talking about. Most people here would love to believe Soriano has positive trade value. But most people here live in reality, where it's clear that Soriano's contract was atrocious even when they thought he could stay healthy and play center field. Now that we know he can't do either of those things, the Cubs are stuck paying a superstar salary to a pretty good but declining player who is already more trouble than he's worth.

 

You're talking two different things: Whether I have "clue" or not, and whether Soriano has any trade value.

 

The answer to the latter is YES, how much will be settled like most barters, by what you get in return, WHEN that bartering is finished, not before! We'll see if Boston can get what they are looking for without coming after Soriano. Is that possible? Sure! Not likely, but sure!

 

To the first, I'll debate any portion of the game you or anyone else would care to debate, but I'd hate to embarrass anyone, that's not my thing...but sometimes I have to come close just to get the attention of some of these dolts!

 

You're really not understanding.

 

If Hendry called Theo Epstein and said "You can have Soriano, all you have to do is take on his entire contract", Epstein would say no. Soriano is not even close to being their type of player, and even if he was, they wouldn't want that awful contract.

 

If Boston was really as desperate as you say they are, they would have caved and given Teixeira that extra 15 million or whatever it was.

 

Now you are sounding as ridiculous as you claim that BroLight sounds. Epstien would gladly take Soriano and his contract if he didn't have to give up anything. Its not like the Red Sox are hurting for money and its not like Soriano hasn't earned his contract to this point.

 

It's not aobut earning his contract to this point. It's about whether or not he'll earn the rrest of his contract. You know that perfectly well, and it's the reason why people think the contract is awful. He's basiaclly be making 18 million until he's 39. Not good.

 

I reallllly don't think he'd take Soriano back with that contract. I'm like 99% positive. I mean, think about it signing him as a free agent right now. We all know how Boston builds offenses. When was the last time they spent good money on a non OBP/walk guy?

 

Plus there's his age and the fact that his legs look like they're breaking down. We all know how good the Red Sox usually are with not keeping guys too long and getting locked into many bad contracts.

 

I mean, other than the draft pick they'd hypothetically lose, it's basically like they'd be signing a free agent. You think if Soriano was a free agent right now the Red Sox would give him a 6/106 contract? Forget the fact that he's 33 and showing signs of breaking down physically.... he's just not at all their type of player. They've been successful by avoiding those types of players and fully embracing sabermetrics (I mean, come on, they employ Bill james).

 

So no, I don't see how you can call what I said ridiculous. To me it's ridiculous to think they'd give Soriano 6/106 now. To me that's about as likely as them trying to bring Manny back.

 

Soriano would have been one of the top producing Red Sox last year. I know its popular to dump on Hendry for every move, but you should really try to argue facts instead of hyperbole. An .876 OPS isn't something that teams come by everyday. And yes, if Soriano was a Free Agent some team would pay him at least 6/106MM in the current market.

 

Somebody might, because teams give bad contracts all the time. The Red Sox owuldn't.

 

It's like you're not aware of how the Red Sox do business and build teams. Soriano is NOT their type of player. They owuld NOT give that type of contract to a player like Soriano. That is not trashing Soriano, that's understanding who the Red Sox are and how they build offenses.

 

Might somebody else give Soriano 6/106 right now? Sure I could see that. Just like I could see them giving other bad cotnracts. We're dicsussing the Red Sox right now, and the Red Sox don't.

 

Really every post I read by you seems to you're afraid to accept anything bad about anybody or anything Cubs related.

 

When Soriano is making 18 million a year for a .800 OPS for the last 3 years of his contract, don't complain.

[17 Seconds]

Now you are sounding as ridiculous as you claim that BroLight sounds. Epstien would gladly take Soriano and his contract if he didn't have to give up anything. Its not like the Red Sox are hurting for money and its not like Soriano hasn't earned his contract to this point.

 

Then why didn't they give him that contract to begin with?

 

Are you serious? LOL

 

Absolutely.

 

Every team in baseball had a chance to valuate Soriano when he was a free agent. The Cubs presumably valued him more than anyone else, or else someone else would have given him more money.

 

He has no trade value at his current contract. None. Zilch.

 

And its impossible that his value changed due to inflation or the fact that he is improving his career numbers? To say he has no trade value is about as stupid as it gets.

 

Wait, inflation? Have you seen what's been going on this offseason? Have you not heard about the economy? Adam Dunn is probably only going to get like 2-3 years. I haven't Burrell's name once. Manny is coming off yet another monster season and barely anybody wants to pay him.

 

Outside of what the Yankees are doing, contracts are down, not up. K-Rod just got 3/37 when a year ago Cordero got 5/50.

 

Tex just got a ridiculous contract, or are you not up to date on those things? And as far as Manny goes, we don't have any idea what Manny will get. To claim that nobody wants him is once again an ignorant statement. Its not a matter if anybody wants him, its a matter of how much they are willing to pay.

 

And I'm not great at math, but isn't 3/37MM more per year than 5/50???

 

50 million is more than 37 million

[17 Seconds]

Now you are sounding as ridiculous as you claim that BroLight sounds. Epstien would gladly take Soriano and his contract if he didn't have to give up anything. Its not like the Red Sox are hurting for money and its not like Soriano hasn't earned his contract to this point.

 

Then why didn't they give him that contract to begin with?

 

Are you serious? LOL

 

Absolutely.

 

Every team in baseball had a chance to valuate Soriano when he was a free agent. The Cubs presumably valued him more than anyone else, or else someone else would have given him more money.

 

He has no trade value at his current contract. None. Zilch.

 

And its impossible that his value changed due to inflation or the fact that he is improving his career numbers? To say he has no trade value is about as stupid as it gets.

 

No, saying that 6/106 for a 33 year old player whose legs are breaking down is a contract is "as stupid as it gets".

 

It's like you're under the impression that Soriano is likely to perform this way for the next 6 years. If he was 28 years old, okay, maybe. He's 33. Depending on who you listen to, a player's statistical prime is like 25-29 or likr 27-32. Either way, Sorianop is statistically out of his prime and you should expect to see some decline in performance around now. Obviously we don't know for sure when that happens, but it's a GMs job to try and anticipate that.

 

I'll say it again, a 33 year old Soriano with legs that are breaking down is not worth 6/106, and that means he has no trade value.

 

Its pointless to try to argue with someone that believes they know every thing. You refuse to argue with facts or anything other than hyperbole. Also, I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are more intelligent to truly thin that Soriano has zero trade value. Every player always has some trade value.

 

Hyperbole? Please show me whewre I used hyperbole?

 

I'd say the vast majority of people on this board would agree that Soriano has no trade value right now due to his contract. That's just obvious.

 

Every player always has some trade value

 

So Barry Zito has some ttrade value right now? A team would trade players AND agree to take on that whole contract? That's what you just said.

 

Soriano only has trade value if a big chunk of his contract is eaten or if we're taking back a different bloated contract, like the Marquis trade.

[CUBZ99]

Tex just got a ridiculous contract, or are you not up to date on those things? And as far as Manny goes, we don't have any idea what Manny will get. To claim that nobody wants him is once again an ignorant statement. Its not a matter if anybody wants him, its a matter of how much they are willing to pay.

 

Teixeira is not 33, and Soriano is not Ramirez.

 

At the very least, please stop the "stupid" and "ignorant" crap in every post, you are embarassing yourself badly enough as it is.

 

You are exactly right about what they are willing to pay. Two years ago, nobody was willing to pay what the Cubs were willing to pay. The only thing that has changed is that Soriano is two years past his likely prime and the economy is collapsing, so there's utterly no reason to think anybody would be willing to pay that again.

 

:-)) Talk about embarrassing. How about you actually start using facts instead of making "ignorant" statements. Of course the Cubs were willing to pay more, they signed him. Next thing you know, you'll be claiming that grass is green and that the sky is blue. It still doesn't change the fact that to date Soriano has earned his contract and last year exceeded his career numbers. Sure GM's are supposed to anticipate that players might regress, but in the case of DeRosa, he actually improved significantly after he was 32.

[17 Seconds]

Its pointless to try to argue with someone that believes they know every thing. You refuse to argue with facts or anything other than hyperbole. Also, I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are more intelligent to truly thin that Soriano has zero trade value. Every player always has some trade value.

 

 

Do you honestly believe that?

 

That there's no player in the entire league (or even theoretically possible?) to have a player with a contract so bad no one would take him for free?

 

I don't even know why we're going this far.

 

The orginial argument was whether or not the Red Sox would take him for "free". Now somehow he's twisting into other teams, which wasn't even what we were talking about,.

 

There is absolutely 100% no doubt in my mind that the Red Sox would NOT offer Soriano 6/106 right now. None.

 

Not only is he the type of offensive player they avoid, but he's the type of contract and situation they avoid as well.

 

So not only does he not fit into the way they build an offense, he also doesn't fit into the way they run their organization.

 

If we were talking about some other organization, I could potentially seeing it POSSIBLY happen, just because I've seen how many stupid contracts are given out these days. The Red Sox and Theo Epstein? No.

[CUBZ99]

Its pointless to try to argue with someone that believes they know every thing. You refuse to argue with facts or anything other than hyperbole. Also, I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are more intelligent to truly thin that Soriano has zero trade value. Every player always has some trade value.

 

 

Do you honestly believe that?

 

That there's no player in the entire league (or even theoretically possible?) to have a player with a contract so bad no one would take him for free?

 

How do you get "free" out of my post?

[17 Seconds]

Tex just got a ridiculous contract, or are you not up to date on those things? And as far as Manny goes, we don't have any idea what Manny will get. To claim that nobody wants him is once again an ignorant statement. Its not a matter if anybody wants him, its a matter of how much they are willing to pay.

 

Teixeira is not 33, and Soriano is not Ramirez.

 

At the very least, please stop the "stupid" and "ignorant" crap in every post, you are embarassing yourself badly enough as it is.

 

You are exactly right about what they are willing to pay. Two years ago, nobody was willing to pay what the Cubs were willing to pay. The only thing that has changed is that Soriano is two years past his likely prime and the economy is collapsing, so there's utterly no reason to think anybody would be willing to pay that again.

 

:-)) Talk about embarrassing. How about you actually start using facts instead of making "ignorant" statements. Of course the Cubs were willing to pay more, they signed him. Next thing you know, you'll be claiming that grass is green and that the sky is blue. It still doesn't change the fact that to date Soriano has earned his contract and last year exceeded his career numbers. Sure GM's are supposed to anticipate that players might regress, but in the case of DeRosa, he actually improved significantly after he was 32.

 

And only a dumb GM would hope the the slight chance and not expect the much bigger chance. Couple that with the fact that Soriano's legs are breaking down, and it's pretty obvious what to do.

 

And for the second time, nobody is debating what Soriano has done in his 2 years. I don't think anybody was worried about the first few years of the contract hwne he signed it. What poeple were and still are worried about is the second half.

[CUBZ99]

Now you are sounding as ridiculous as you claim that BroLight sounds. Epstien would gladly take Soriano and his contract if he didn't have to give up anything. Its not like the Red Sox are hurting for money and its not like Soriano hasn't earned his contract to this point.

 

Then why didn't they give him that contract to begin with?

 

Are you serious? LOL

 

Absolutely.

 

Every team in baseball had a chance to valuate Soriano when he was a free agent. The Cubs presumably valued him more than anyone else, or else someone else would have given him more money.

 

He has no trade value at his current contract. None. Zilch.

 

And its impossible that his value changed due to inflation or the fact that he is improving his career numbers? To say he has no trade value is about as stupid as it gets.

 

No, saying that 6/106 for a 33 year old player whose legs are breaking down is a contract is "as stupid as it gets".

 

It's like you're under the impression that Soriano is likely to perform this way for the next 6 years. If he was 28 years old, okay, maybe. He's 33. Depending on who you listen to, a player's statistical prime is like 25-29 or likr 27-32. Either way, Sorianop is statistically out of his prime and you should expect to see some decline in performance around now. Obviously we don't know for sure when that happens, but it's a GMs job to try and anticipate that.

 

I'll say it again, a 33 year old Soriano with legs that are breaking down is not worth 6/106, and that means he has no trade value.

 

Its pointless to try to argue with someone that believes they know every thing. You refuse to argue with facts or anything other than hyperbole. Also, I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are more intelligent to truly thin that Soriano has zero trade value. Every player always has some trade value.

 

Hyperbole? Please show me whewre I used hyperbole?

 

I'd say the vast majority of people on this board would agree that Soriano has no trade value right now due to his contract. That's just obvious.

 

Every player always has some trade value

 

So Barry Zito has some ttrade value right now? A team would trade players AND agree to take on that whole contract? That's what you just said.

 

Soriano only has trade value if a big chunk of his contract is eaten or if we're taking back a different bloated contract, like the Marquis trade.

 

Zito = Soriano in what world? Zito completely imploded after signing his big contract. Soriano has actually improved on his career numbers. Of course Zito is not worth much, but I would bet that there is some team that would be more than happy to take Zito if SF would agree to eat a big portion of his contract. There are not LF's that put up .876 OPS growing on vines.

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Its pointless to try to argue with someone that believes they know every thing. You refuse to argue with facts or anything other than hyperbole. Also, I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are more intelligent to truly thin that Soriano has zero trade value. Every player always has some trade value.

 

 

Do you honestly believe that?

 

That there's no player in the entire league (or even theoretically possible?) to have a player with a contract so bad no one would take him for free?

 

How do you get "free" out of my post?

 

By "free" he means not having to give up players. You said every player has trade value, meaning every player deserves talent in return.... not "free".

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Now you are sounding as ridiculous as you claim that BroLight sounds. Epstien would gladly take Soriano and his contract if he didn't have to give up anything. Its not like the Red Sox are hurting for money and its not like Soriano hasn't earned his contract to this point.

 

Then why didn't they give him that contract to begin with?

 

Are you serious? LOL

 

Absolutely.

 

Every team in baseball had a chance to valuate Soriano when he was a free agent. The Cubs presumably valued him more than anyone else, or else someone else would have given him more money.

 

He has no trade value at his current contract. None. Zilch.

 

And its impossible that his value changed due to inflation or the fact that he is improving his career numbers? To say he has no trade value is about as stupid as it gets.

 

No, saying that 6/106 for a 33 year old player whose legs are breaking down is a contract is "as stupid as it gets".

 

It's like you're under the impression that Soriano is likely to perform this way for the next 6 years. If he was 28 years old, okay, maybe. He's 33. Depending on who you listen to, a player's statistical prime is like 25-29 or likr 27-32. Either way, Sorianop is statistically out of his prime and you should expect to see some decline in performance around now. Obviously we don't know for sure when that happens, but it's a GMs job to try and anticipate that.

 

I'll say it again, a 33 year old Soriano with legs that are breaking down is not worth 6/106, and that means he has no trade value.

 

Its pointless to try to argue with someone that believes they know every thing. You refuse to argue with facts or anything other than hyperbole. Also, I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are more intelligent to truly thin that Soriano has zero trade value. Every player always has some trade value.

 

Hyperbole? Please show me whewre I used hyperbole?

 

I'd say the vast majority of people on this board would agree that Soriano has no trade value right now due to his contract. That's just obvious.

 

Every player always has some trade value

 

So Barry Zito has some ttrade value right now? A team would trade players AND agree to take on that whole contract? That's what you just said.

 

Soriano only has trade value if a big chunk of his contract is eaten or if we're taking back a different bloated contract, like the Marquis trade.

 

Zito = Soriano in what world? Zito completely imploded after signing his big contract. Soriano has actually improved on his career numbers. Of course Zito is not worth much, but I would bet that there is some team that would be more than happy to take Zito if SF would agree to eat a big portion of his contract. There are not LF's that put up .876 OPS growing on vines.

 

Annnddd now you're changing your story. I never said anything about Soriano. You said, and I quote

 

Every player always has some trade value

 

That has nothing to do with Soriano.

 

Please explain to me how Zito, with his contract, has trade value.

[CUBZ99]

Now you are sounding as ridiculous as you claim that BroLight sounds. Epstien would gladly take Soriano and his contract if he didn't have to give up anything. Its not like the Red Sox are hurting for money and its not like Soriano hasn't earned his contract to this point.

 

Then why didn't they give him that contract to begin with?

 

Are you serious? LOL

 

Absolutely.

 

Every team in baseball had a chance to valuate Soriano when he was a free agent. The Cubs presumably valued him more than anyone else, or else someone else would have given him more money.

 

He has no trade value at his current contract. None. Zilch.

 

And its impossible that his value changed due to inflation or the fact that he is improving his career numbers? To say he has no trade value is about as stupid as it gets.

 

No, saying that 6/106 for a 33 year old player whose legs are breaking down is a contract is "as stupid as it gets".

 

It's like you're under the impression that Soriano is likely to perform this way for the next 6 years. If he was 28 years old, okay, maybe. He's 33. Depending on who you listen to, a player's statistical prime is like 25-29 or likr 27-32. Either way, Sorianop is statistically out of his prime and you should expect to see some decline in performance around now. Obviously we don't know for sure when that happens, but it's a GMs job to try and anticipate that.

 

I'll say it again, a 33 year old Soriano with legs that are breaking down is not worth 6/106, and that means he has no trade value.

 

Its pointless to try to argue with someone that believes they know every thing. You refuse to argue with facts or anything other than hyperbole. Also, I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are more intelligent to truly thin that Soriano has zero trade value. Every player always has some trade value.

 

Hyperbole? Please show me whewre I used hyperbole?

 

I'd say the vast majority of people on this board would agree that Soriano has no trade value right now due to his contract. That's just obvious.

 

Every player always has some trade value

 

So Barry Zito has some ttrade value right now? A team would trade players AND agree to take on that whole contract? That's what you just said.

 

Soriano only has trade value if a big chunk of his contract is eaten or if we're taking back a different bloated contract, like the Marquis trade.

 

Zito = Soriano in what world? Zito completely imploded after signing his big contract. Soriano has actually improved on his career numbers. Of course Zito is not worth much, but I would bet that there is some team that would be more than happy to take Zito if SF would agree to eat a big portion of his contract. There are not LF's that put up .876 OPS growing on vines.

 

Annnddd now you're changing your story. I never said anything about Soriano. You said, and I quote

 

Every player always has some trade value

 

That has nothing to do with Soriano.

 

Please explain to me how Zito, with his contract, has trade value.

 

Not to regress from Soriano, but Zito has some value. There is some team that would be more than happy to take Zito if the Giants ate part of his contract. Wasn't Hampton in exactly the same situation?

[CUBZ99]

And on that note I'm out for the night. :-)) It was fun Dexter and Kyle, but I really need sleep for work tomorrow.

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There is some team that would be more than happy to take Zito if the Giants ate part of his contract

 

I already told you that Soriano wuld probably have value if the Cubs ate part of his contract. We're been over this. When you said "every player has value" it was in the context of the dicsussion, which was that Soriano's contract eliminates trade value.

 

You said he has trade value

 

I said he doesn't because of his contract

 

You said "every player has trade value"

 

It's pretty clear that in the context of the conversation, that was meant to mean every player has trade value despite his contract situation. If that's not what you meant, then that point is not at all relevant to this conversation, since I've already said the reason he doesn't have value is his contract.

[NCCubFan]

And on that note I'm out for the night. :-)) It was fun Dexter and Kyle, but I really need sleep for work tomorrow.

Sleep is overrated.