What to do about Felix?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Should he still trade him for that Garrett Olson guy? His stats dont look all that impressive, but if the Padres wanted him that bad, he must have some upsode.

 

I have nothing against Pie, and wouldnt mind giving him a shot, but unless there is a Fukudome trade in the works, its pretty clear that as soon as Hendry finds his lefty, Pies future with the organization officially comes to an end.

 

Personally, I dont see why we cant just go ahead with a 3 headed monster with Fukudome, Johnson, and Pie in CF and RF. Even if it doesnt work out, the team as a whole is good enough that we could at least let it ride for the first few months, and if it isnt working, make a deal before the deadline.

[shnsajax]

If Pie doesn't help net us Peavy or another superstar type player, then I don't want to trade him. You are basically selling way to low, and better off holding on to him and seeing what he can do. He is still very young.

[Monco]

They should show patience and let him play. His defense makes up for his lack of hitting at this point.

[Abe Frohman]

The guy is like 23 years old, right? Jeez, he's still very young.

[Mephistopheles]

We're not going to give him enough playing time in 2009 or 2010 to claim the starting job. We might as well trade him before we drive his trade value into the ground like we did with countless other prospects.

[cbbryan]

He should have taken over CF 2 years ago.

[Tyrant]

His defense makes up for his lack of hitting at this point.

 

Not if he keeps OPSing in the 600s.

[davearm2]

He should have taken over CF 2 years ago.

Only if we wanted to relive the Patterson Experiment.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

His defense makes up for his lack of hitting at this point.

 

Not if he keeps OPSing in the 600s.

 

Actually, that's how good he is defensively, he's really out of this world as an outfielder.

 

 

The Cubs aren't in a great position when it comes to Pie. Kosuke is going to get paid, so he gets first crack at the "disappointing left handed outfield bat that plays great defense" half of a platoon. Pie's not going to develop much as a 5th outfielder and there's no way they give him a starting OF spot, but his trade value isn't much to make it worth dealing him.

 

JMO of course, but here's how I'd rank the output we'd get from some of the options we've heard, assuming a Kosuke/Johnson platoon in CF, and ignoring the contract they'd get.

 

Bradley

Winn

 

DeRosa

Hermida

 

DeJesus

Abreu

Dunn

Pie

 

Ibanez

[nilodnayr]

His defense makes up for his lack of hitting at this point.

 

Not if he keeps OPSing in the 600s.

 

Actually, that's how good he is defensively, he's really out of this world as an outfielder.

 

 

The Cubs aren't in a great position when it comes to Pie. Kosuke is going to get paid, so he gets first crack at the "disappointing left handed outfield bat that plays great defense" half of a platoon. Pie's not going to develop much as a 5th outfielder and there's no way they give him a starting OF spot, but his trade value isn't much to make it worth dealing him.

 

JMO of course, but here's how I'd rank the output we'd get from some of the options we've heard, assuming a Kosuke/Johnson platoon in CF, and ignoring the contract they'd get.

 

Bradley

Winn

 

DeRosa

Hermida

 

DeJesus

Abreu

Dunn

Pie

 

Ibanez

 

I'd put about 2 lines between Bradley and Winn, but other than that it looks good.

[17 Seconds]

His defense makes up for his lack of hitting at this point.

 

Not if he keeps OPSing in the 600s.

 

Actually, that's how good he is defensively, he's really out of this world as an outfielder.

 

 

The Cubs aren't in a great position when it comes to Pie. Kosuke is going to get paid, so he gets first crack at the "disappointing left handed outfield bat that plays great defense" half of a platoon. Pie's not going to develop much as a 5th outfielder and there's no way they give him a starting OF spot, but his trade value isn't much to make it worth dealing him.

 

JMO of course, but here's how I'd rank the output we'd get from some of the options we've heard, assuming a Kosuke/Johnson platoon in CF, and ignoring the contract they'd get.

 

Bradley

Winn

 

DeRosa

Hermida

 

DeJesus

Abreu

Dunn

Pie

 

Ibanez

 

Randy Winn? Really?

[Old Style]

They should show patience and let him play. His defense makes up for his lack of hitting at this point.

I share this sentiment.

[KingCubsFan]

We're not going to give him enough playing time in 2009 or 2010 to claim the starting job. We might as well trade him before we drive his trade value into the ground like we did with countless other prospects.

This is what is going to happen. I'm one of his biggest fans, but at this point we should probably just trade him for a bullpen arm before we end up releasing him in a few years.

[sneakypower]

His defense makes up for his lack of hitting at this point.

 

Not if he keeps OPSing in the 600s.

you're kidding me

 

you actually think he's had a sufficient MLB sample from which to judge him?

 

he's progressed as a hitter in the minors the last several seasons, fwiw

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Randy Winn? Really?

 

I was surprised too. Not necessarily advocating him since he'd cost money, players, and at his age he's more prone to fall off the face of the earth(plus he's not that much of an upgrade over DeRosa, especially if Pie stole some late innings defensively and some ABs v. RHP), but he's been very solid with the bat and the glove for a few years now.

[biittner77]

I'd much rather play him and see what he can do. If he can show anything his value increases perhaps even enough to be worth keeping. The other option is trading him and getting virtually nothing.

 

against RH pitching against LH pitching

Soriano Soriano

Fukudome Theriot

Lee Lee

Ramirez Ramirez

Soto Soto

Pie Derosa

Derosa guy that platoons with Fukudome

Theriot Johnson

 

If Pie shows some power slide him between Ramirez and Soto

[jersey cubs fan]

His defense makes up for his lack of hitting at this point.

 

Not if he keeps OPSing in the 600s.

you're kidding me

 

you actually think he's had a sufficient MLB sample from which to judge him?

 

he's progressed as a hitter in the minors the last several seasons, fwiw

 

What in his post illicited this response? He said that his defense won't make up for his lack of hitting if he keeps OPSing in the 600s. Not if. That's what he said. He didn't say, Pie has had sufficient MLB sample size to judge that he will always have an OPS of 600. He said if he stays where he's at it's a problem. In other words, he has to get better.

[Derwood]

The Orioles will not be able to land Cubs outfielder Felix Pie in a stand-alone trade that doesn't involve Jake Peavy.

The O's had dreams of sending Garrett Olson to the Padres and receiving Pie from the Cubs in a three or four-team trade. With talks between the Cubs and Padres falling flat, the Orioles are now out of the mix. Baltimore executives said Thursday that the Cubs won't budge on Pie without Peavy being somehow involved.

[BigbadB]

The Orioles will not be able to land Cubs outfielder Felix Pie in a stand-alone trade that doesn't involve Jake Peavy.

The O's had dreams of sending Garrett Olson to the Padres and receiving Pie from the Cubs in a three or four-team trade. With talks between the Cubs and Padres falling flat, the Orioles are now out of the mix. Baltimore executives said Thursday that the Cubs won't budge on Pie without Peavy being somehow involved.

 

That's odd.

[UK1679666180]

I'd keep him where I think his value is maximized which is as a late inning defensive replacement at this point and thru injuries/improvement, hopefully plays well and ends up as the starting CF'er.

 

I think the Cubs would be foolish to count on Pie as their starting CF'er, I feel the same way about Fukudome as the starting RF'er (unless they upgraded CF). Having Derosa as the backup in RF with Fontenot going to 2B is an ok backup plan, but you're still counting on them duplicating what they did last year and I don't see either doing so.

 

The guy they missed on was Joyce from det. (who TB just traded Jackson for), he would be ideal for a L/R platoon as the lefty bat of that equation in RF.

[cubsfan26]

The Orioles will not be able to land Cubs outfielder Felix Pie in a stand-alone trade that doesn't involve Jake Peavy.

The O's had dreams of sending Garrett Olson to the Padres and receiving Pie from the Cubs in a three or four-team trade. With talks between the Cubs and Padres falling flat, the Orioles are now out of the mix. Baltimore executives said Thursday that the Cubs won't budge on Pie without Peavy being somehow involved.

 

That's odd.

 

 

Well we know Hendry has always been really high on Pie. So he probably isn't gonna just trade him for a bad young pitcher who wouldn't be in our rotation, or average prospects. If MacPhail said Pie for Brian Roberts, I'm sure Hendry would listen. I heard Hendry say Pie would have a chance to beat Fukudome out for the starter against RH pitching this spring. So if Pie has a big spring and Fukudome struggles, Pie might get a chance.

[davearm2]

The Orioles will not be able to land Cubs outfielder Felix Pie in a stand-alone trade that doesn't involve Jake Peavy.

The O's had dreams of sending Garrett Olson to the Padres and receiving Pie from the Cubs in a three or four-team trade. With talks between the Cubs and Padres falling flat, the Orioles are now out of the mix. Baltimore executives said Thursday that the Cubs won't budge on Pie without Peavy being somehow involved.

 

That's odd.

 

 

Well we know Hendry has always been really high on Pie. So he probably isn't gonna just trade him for a bad young pitcher who wouldn't be in our rotation, or average prospects. If MacPhail said Pie for Brian Roberts, I'm sure Hendry would listen. I heard Hendry say Pie would have a chance to beat Fukudome out for the starter against RH pitching this spring. So if Pie has a big spring and Fukudome struggles, Pie might get a chance.

Having a $12M 4th OF would sure be interesting. Although I guess that's how things ended in '08.

[BigbadB]

The Orioles will not be able to land Cubs outfielder Felix Pie in a stand-alone trade that doesn't involve Jake Peavy.

The O's had dreams of sending Garrett Olson to the Padres and receiving Pie from the Cubs in a three or four-team trade. With talks between the Cubs and Padres falling flat, the Orioles are now out of the mix. Baltimore executives said Thursday that the Cubs won't budge on Pie without Peavy being somehow involved.

 

That's odd.

 

 

Well we know Hendry has always been really high on Pie. So he probably isn't gonna just trade him for a bad young pitcher who wouldn't be in our rotation, or average prospects. If MacPhail said Pie for Brian Roberts, I'm sure Hendry would listen. I heard Hendry say Pie would have a chance to beat Fukudome out for the starter against RH pitching this spring. So if Pie has a big spring and Fukudome struggles, Pie might get a chance.

 

I find it very unlikely that Pie plays over Fukudome. Fukudome isn't being paid to be a 5th outfielder. I'm sure every effort will be made to improve Fukudome's plate approach.

 

A bad young pitcher? I don't generally hear the term "bad" thrown around for a pitcher with a career minor league ERA of 2.96 and a career WHIP of 1.16. Or how about his minor league career average of 1 K per inning? Or how about his career of better than 3:1 K/BB rate?

 

Those numbers look a lot like our very own Sean Marshall over his minor league career.

 

What I see with that deal is is it deepens our starting rotation while still keeping a potential deal alive for Peavy.

[cubsfan26]

The Orioles will not be able to land Cubs outfielder Felix Pie in a stand-alone trade that doesn't involve Jake Peavy.

The O's had dreams of sending Garrett Olson to the Padres and receiving Pie from the Cubs in a three or four-team trade. With talks between the Cubs and Padres falling flat, the Orioles are now out of the mix. Baltimore executives said Thursday that the Cubs won't budge on Pie without Peavy being somehow involved.

 

That's odd.

 

 

Well we know Hendry has always been really high on Pie. So he probably isn't gonna just trade him for a bad young pitcher who wouldn't be in our rotation, or average prospects. If MacPhail said Pie for Brian Roberts, I'm sure Hendry would listen. I heard Hendry say Pie would have a chance to beat Fukudome out for the starter against RH pitching this spring. So if Pie has a big spring and Fukudome struggles, Pie might get a chance.

 

I find it very unlikely that Pie plays over Fukudome. Fukudome isn't being paid to be a 5th outfielder. I'm sure every effort will be made to improve Fukudome's plate approach.

 

A bad young pitcher? I don't generally hear the term "bad" thrown around for a pitcher with a career minor league ERA of 2.96 and a career WHIP of 1.16. Or how about his minor league career average of 1 K per inning? Or how about his career of better than 3:1 K/BB rate?

 

Those numbers look a lot like our very own Sean Marshall over his minor league career.

 

What I see with that deal is is it deepens our starting rotation while still keeping a potential deal alive for Peavy.

 

 

It doesn't take away the fact that he's been dog crap in the major leagues. Olson is a good fit for a bad or rebuilding team, he would have no chance to pitch in our rotation.

[BigbadB]

The Orioles will not be able to land Cubs outfielder Felix Pie in a stand-alone trade that doesn't involve Jake Peavy.

The O's had dreams of sending Garrett Olson to the Padres and receiving Pie from the Cubs in a three or four-team trade. With talks between the Cubs and Padres falling flat, the Orioles are now out of the mix. Baltimore executives said Thursday that the Cubs won't budge on Pie without Peavy being somehow involved.

 

That's odd.

 

 

Well we know Hendry has always been really high on Pie. So he probably isn't gonna just trade him for a bad young pitcher who wouldn't be in our rotation, or average prospects. If MacPhail said Pie for Brian Roberts, I'm sure Hendry would listen. I heard Hendry say Pie would have a chance to beat Fukudome out for the starter against RH pitching this spring. So if Pie has a big spring and Fukudome struggles, Pie might get a chance.

 

I find it very unlikely that Pie plays over Fukudome. Fukudome isn't being paid to be a 5th outfielder. I'm sure every effort will be made to improve Fukudome's plate approach.

 

A bad young pitcher? I don't generally hear the term "bad" thrown around for a pitcher with a career minor league ERA of 2.96 and a career WHIP of 1.16. Or how about his minor league career average of 1 K per inning? Or how about his career of better than 3:1 K/BB rate?

 

Those numbers look a lot like our very own Sean Marshall over his minor league career.

 

What I see with that deal is is it deepens our starting rotation while still keeping a potential deal alive for Peavy.

 

 

It doesn't take away the fact that he's been dog crap in the major leagues. Olson is a good fit for a bad or rebuilding team, he would have no chance to pitch in our rotation.

 

A lot of pitchers have been dog crap in their first few seasons in the bigs, but then went on to become successful pitchers long term. Pie doesn't really have a place on this team, either. If Pie netted a pitcher that could be spun to a bad or rebuilding team, and it brought back something of value that the Cubs could find useful, I'd be all for it.