Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[imb]

Yeah we're talking about the team on the field, not the factors that led to that team

 

yeah guys...

 

because this thread, or any other thread on this site for that matter, has never had an evolving conversation...

 

if it is relevant, why complain?

 

you aren't following along too well. the entire conversation is about whether or not the team is better or worse than last year, excluding budgets, age, injuries, all of that.

[17 Seconds]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

 

Or Wood

 

Plus Eyre was really good for the Phillies. I'd love to have him back

 

All Eyre and Marquis had to do was be traded to go from NSBB whipping boys to beloved quality pitchers.

 

When Eyre was still on the team and not being used, many people here were wondering why, and many people were wondering why we dumped him.

 

He only gave up 1 run in his first 10.1 IP last season, then he had 3 straight bad games and they just quit on him. That's when he went to Philly and was light out. Also he had a .74 ERA over his last 30 games (24.1 IP) of 2007.

 

He would have good stretches. And then turn to crap so you couldn't trust him any more except for mop up work.

 

I would say that the 7.15 ERA and 1.71 WHIP while with the Cubs is why they quit on him. But hey, I am sure he really is great and a guy like Gregg is completely useless junk.

 

Eyre had a good 06, a bad first half of 07, a great second half of 07, and was very good in 2008 outside of one bad 3 game stretch. That means he was good for the vast majority of the past 3 season, yet you're making him out to be awful. People just hate him because they only remember when he was really bad.

 

He's notg reat by any means, but he's above average and at the very least.. a great LOOGY. Something that we don't have.

[anabiono]

Yeah we're talking about the team on the field, not the factors that led to that team

 

yeah guys...

 

because this thread, or any other thread on this site for that matter, has never had an evolving conversation...

 

if it is relevant, why complain?

 

you aren't following along too well. the entire conversation is about whether or not the team is better or worse than last year, excluding budgets, age, injuries, all of that.

 

hmmm

 

i guess the dollars and cents talk on the previous page should be ignored then?

[17 Seconds]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

I'll play nice but, as usual, you're fixated on semantics. It really doesn't matter who replaced who where, it's about the overall effect on the offense. If you believe that Bradley is better than 2008 DeRosa and that Fontenot can is better than 2008 Fuku, you have to say they got better. CF platoon notwithstanding. Obviously health will be a much bigger issue than CF production.

 

Why does it matter if Fontenot is better than Fukudome? That implies Fukudome has been replaced, when he hasn't. Nobody is replacing Fukudome. He's still in the lineup. Edmonds is the one who is being taken out of the lineup. It's to determine what kind of upgrade or downgrade we'll see though since Edmonds didn't play a full season. Plus we got a .900+ OPS from Fontenot in a good chunk of at-bats and that doesn't seem likely to be duplicated.

[The Other 15]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

I'll play nice but, as usual, you're fixated on semantics. It really doesn't matter who replaced who where, it's about the overall effect on the offense. If you believe that Bradley is better than 2008 DeRosa and that Fontenot can is better than 2008 Fuku, you have to say they got better. CF platoon notwithstanding. Obviously health will be a much bigger issue than CF production.

 

Why does it matter if Fontenot is better than Fukudome? That implies Fukudome has been replaced, when he hasn't. Nobody is replacing Fukudome. He's still in the lineup. Edmonds is the one who is being taken out of the lineup. It's to determine what kind of upgrade or downgrade we'll see though since Edmonds didn't play a full season. Plus we got a .900+ OPS from Fontenot in a good chunk of at-bats and that doesn't seem likely to be duplicated.

 

Why does it matter if Fontenot is better than Fukudome?

 

Becasue he will (or at least appears set to) take the AB's that Fuku loses this year.

 

Fine, Font may not repeat last years 900+ OPS, but DeRosas 850 was not set in stone either. Overall, production wise (if healthy), this lineup can be better than last years. It certainly is way too soon to declare it worse.

[17 Seconds]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

I'll play nice but, as usual, you're fixated on semantics. It really doesn't matter who replaced who where, it's about the overall effect on the offense. If you believe that Bradley is better than 2008 DeRosa and that Fontenot can is better than 2008 Fuku, you have to say they got better. CF platoon notwithstanding. Obviously health will be a much bigger issue than CF production.

 

Why does it matter if Fontenot is better than Fukudome? That implies Fukudome has been replaced, when he hasn't. Nobody is replacing Fukudome. He's still in the lineup. Edmonds is the one who is being taken out of the lineup. It's to determine what kind of upgrade or downgrade we'll see though since Edmonds didn't play a full season. Plus we got a .900+ OPS from Fontenot in a good chunk of at-bats and that doesn't seem likely to be duplicated.

 

Why does it matter if Fontenot is better than Fukudome?

 

Becasue he will (or at least appears set to) take the AB's that Fuku loses this year.

 

 

How? Fukudome is slated to be the every day CF against RHP, meaning he'll be getting close to the amount of at-bats he got last season. He's still playing. He's not being replaced by anybody.

 

Not to mention Fontenot still got 243 at-bats last season. If Fukudome plays against every RHP, how many AB's does he figure to get next season? Like 400, at least?? He had 501 last season, meaning he's only losing about 100 at-bats, or less, while Fontenot only gains like 150-200

 

Really, Bradley is replacing Edmonds (except he'll be playing every day...when healthy) and Fontenot is replacing DeRosa. Fukudome is not being replaced in the lineup, he's just switching positions.

[The Other 15]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

I'll play nice but, as usual, you're fixated on semantics. It really doesn't matter who replaced who where, it's about the overall effect on the offense. If you believe that Bradley is better than 2008 DeRosa and that Fontenot can is better than 2008 Fuku, you have to say they got better. CF platoon notwithstanding. Obviously health will be a much bigger issue than CF production.

 

Why does it matter if Fontenot is better than Fukudome? That implies Fukudome has been replaced, when he hasn't. Nobody is replacing Fukudome. He's still in the lineup. Edmonds is the one who is being taken out of the lineup. It's to determine what kind of upgrade or downgrade we'll see though since Edmonds didn't play a full season. Plus we got a .900+ OPS from Fontenot in a good chunk of at-bats and that doesn't seem likely to be duplicated.

 

Why does it matter if Fontenot is better than Fukudome?

 

Becasue he will (or at least appears set to) take the AB's that Fuku loses this year.

 

 

How? Fukudome is slated to be the every day CF against RHP, meaning he'll be getting close to the amount of at-bats he got last season. He's still playing. He's not being replaced by anybody.

 

Not to mention Fontenot still got 243 at-bats last season. If Fukudome plays against every RHP, how many AB's does he figure to get next season? Like 400, at least?? He had 501 last season, meaning he's only losing about 100 at-bats, or less, while Fontenot only gains like 150-200

 

Really, Bradley is replacing Edmonds (except he'll be playing every day...when healthy) and Fontenot is replacing DeRosa. Fukudome is not being replaced in the lineup, he's just switching positions.

 

Jeebus. Could you please stop with the semantics?

 

It doesn't matter who is replacing who where, just that the production will be coming from different places than last year form a couple of guys.

 

Bradly can counter DeRos 500 AB's. Fontenots possible 450 to 500 AB's will counter Fukudomes 2008 500 AB's. And the Fuku/johnson platoon will be compared to the Johnson/Edmonds platoon. You're too focused on who is replacing who that you're ignoring the point - weather this years lineup will be worse than last years.

[17 Seconds]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

I'll play nice but, as usual, you're fixated on semantics. It really doesn't matter who replaced who where, it's about the overall effect on the offense. If you believe that Bradley is better than 2008 DeRosa and that Fontenot can is better than 2008 Fuku, you have to say they got better. CF platoon notwithstanding. Obviously health will be a much bigger issue than CF production.

 

Why does it matter if Fontenot is better than Fukudome? That implies Fukudome has been replaced, when he hasn't. Nobody is replacing Fukudome. He's still in the lineup. Edmonds is the one who is being taken out of the lineup. It's to determine what kind of upgrade or downgrade we'll see though since Edmonds didn't play a full season. Plus we got a .900+ OPS from Fontenot in a good chunk of at-bats and that doesn't seem likely to be duplicated.

 

Why does it matter if Fontenot is better than Fukudome?

 

Becasue he will (or at least appears set to) take the AB's that Fuku loses this year.

 

 

How? Fukudome is slated to be the every day CF against RHP, meaning he'll be getting close to the amount of at-bats he got last season. He's still playing. He's not being replaced by anybody.

 

Not to mention Fontenot still got 243 at-bats last season. If Fukudome plays against every RHP, how many AB's does he figure to get next season? Like 400, at least?? He had 501 last season, meaning he's only losing about 100 at-bats, or less, while Fontenot only gains like 150-200

 

Really, Bradley is replacing Edmonds (except he'll be playing every day...when healthy) and Fontenot is replacing DeRosa. Fukudome is not being replaced in the lineup, he's just switching positions.

 

Jeebus. Could you please stop with the semantics?

 

It doesn't matter who is replacing who where, just that the production will be coming from different places than last year form a couple of guys.

 

Bradly can counter DeRos 500 AB's. Fontenots possible 450 to 500 AB's will counter Fukudomes 2008 500 AB's. And the Fuku/johnson platoon will be compared to the Johnson/Edmonds platoon. You're too focused on who is replacing who that you're ignoring the point - weather this years lineup will be worse than last years.

 

I'm sorry, but nothing I'm saying is semantics at all. Fukudome doesn't belong anywhere in this conversation. Naturally, we're discussing things that have changed between 2008 and 2009, since we're comparing the two. Fukudome hasn't changed. He's still in the lineup. He's irrelevant to this conversaton.. That doesn't make sense. We are comparing this year's team to last year's team. Fukudome is not being replaced by anything. He is still in the lineup. Nobody is replacing him just like nobody is replacing Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Theriot, or Soto. Nothing has changed there. It has nothing whatsoever to do with semantics. We're talking about the lineup dude, not the defense. If guys like Lee, Ramirez, Soto, Soriano, etc don't belong in this conversation, then neither does Fukudome. We need to sotp talking about him. He's still here and still in the lineup.

 

Okay, let's do it your way. If Bradley is replacing DeRosa's at-bats, and Fontenot is replacing Fukudome's at-bats.... who is replacing Edmonds 298 PAs of a .927 OPS? Who is replacing Fontenot's 284 PA's of .909 OPS? Together, that's almost a full season of a .900+ OPS. Let's say miraculously Bradley stays healthy all year and matches that. Okay, that takes cares of that. Now to replace DeRosa, we'd need Fontenot and Miles to combine for an .857 OPS at 2B.

 

Those are the 2 things that need to happen to equal to replace last year's production, assuming the other regulars do what they did last year. We'd basically need close a full season of .900 OPS from Bradley and an .850 OPS from 2B.

[Laura]

Chill, guys, based on page 200 and on.

 

There's low tolerance for the endless sniping going on here and elsewhere. You have the choice: use ignore; improve the attitude; or take a vacation for a while.

[17 Seconds]

Chill, guys, based on page 200 and on.

 

There's low tolerance for the endless sniping going on here and elsewhere. You have the choice: use ignore; improve the attitude; or take a vacation for a while.

 

? That was done a while ago. We're fine having our current discussion right now

[Laura]

Check your PMs, dexter, and clear something up for me.

[17 Seconds]

Check your PMs, dexter, and clear something up for me.

 

Make my PMs actually work and I will

[Laura]

Check your PMs, dexter, and clear something up for me.

 

Make my PMs actually work and I will

 

I don't have time tonight to try and figure out why they don't.

 

So don't report any more posts unless you actually want something done about it, and don't whine when someone does do something about it.

[17 Seconds]

Check your PMs, dexter, and clear something up for me.

 

Make my PMs actually work and I will

 

I don't have time tonight to try and figure out why they don't.

 

So don't report any more posts unless you actually want something done about it, and don't whine when someone does do something about it.

 

Huh? I reported the earlier post when he flipped out on me for no reason because I was sick of it. Then he stopped and we started talking about something else in a reasonable manner. Now I'm whining because I didn't intend for somebody to come in here and tell us to "break it up guys" as a solution? Kind of weird, especially when that was done hours ago anyways.

[Laura]

Check your PMs, dexter, and clear something up for me.

 

Make my PMs actually work and I will

 

I don't have time tonight to try and figure out why they don't.

 

So don't report any more posts unless you actually want something done about it, and don't whine when someone does do something about it.

 

Huh? I reported the earlier post when he flipped out on me for no reason because I was sick of it. Then he stopped and we started talking about something else in a reasonable manner. Now I'm whining because I didn't intend for somebody to come in here and tell us to "break it up guys" as a solutionKind of weird, especially when that was done hours ago.

 

Your PMs should work now, so you can complain privately now.

[17 Seconds]

Check your PMs, dexter, and clear something up for me.

 

Make my PMs actually work and I will

 

I don't have time tonight to try and figure out why they don't.

 

So don't report any more posts unless you actually want something done about it, and don't whine when someone does do something about it.

 

Huh? I reported the earlier post when he flipped out on me for no reason because I was sick of it. Then he stopped and we started talking about something else in a reasonable manner. Now I'm whining because I didn't intend for somebody to come in here and tell us to "break it up guys" as a solutionKind of weird, especially when that was done hours ago.

 

Your PMs should work now, so you can complain privately now.

 

So I'm complaining because what you're doing doesn't make sense? Okay. Next time I'll refrain from reporting something now that I know the result will just be a od saying "Hey shut up guys" 4 hours later, followed by ripping me for oing nothing just because of things I've said in the past.

Edited January 30, 2009 by 17 Seconds

[Laura]

Keep it up, dexter.

[17 Seconds]

I'd like a mod actually show me what I did wrong in this thread and get a response other than "I don't have time, I'm going to bed" followed by like 4 insults.

 

Seriously, can a mod actually look through his. I mean, seriously. Talk about attacking the poster and not the post. "Oh that Dexter...starting fights again. There's really no other explanation"

[Outshined_One]

Everyone please take a step back from this thread, take a deep breath, and chill.

[anabiono]

just add hot water

 

that is what the little packet of nestle dark chocolate hot chocolate says to me from its lifeless and limp position on the nightstand next to my desk

 

just add hot water

 

remarkable

 

across the room i have a little plastic sandwich bag full of mini marshmallows, beckoning me to molest the safety seal strip.

 

just add hot water

 

all i need to is reach to my left, get up from this chair, cross the room, grab the plastic bag, stroll through the darkened hallway towards the kitchen, flipping on the sink light on and remember to

 

just add hot water

[Laura]

Thanks, OO.

 

I'd like a mod actually show me what I did wrong in this thread and get a response other than "I don't have time, I'm going to bed" followed by like 4 insults.

 

Seriously, can a mod actually look through his. I mean, seriously. Talk about attacking the poster and not the post. "Oh that Dexter...starting fights again. There's really no other explanation"

 

I explained via PM, and your PMs are working now.

 

You also have to make an effort to understand where we're coming from on this. I'll be happy to discuss it with you further and in more detail in the future.

[Mephistopheles]

Keep it up, dexter.

 

i find it entertaining

[anabiono]

taken from MLB trade rumors links...

 

Piniella ''is the manager who hates pitchers,'' says Jeff Nelson, a Yankees reliever who used to pitch for Seattle. ''It's not hard to understand why that is.''

 

Piniella was a great hitter for 18 seasons; his professional responsibility was to loathe pitchers. How could he just shut that off?

 

''He just doesn't have patience,'' Nelson says. ''He doesn't understand pitchers. He tells you, 'Throw the ball over the plate.' You feel like saying: 'Is that what I'm supposed to do? I didn't know that. I thought I was supposed to come out here and walk everyone.' ''

 

lol

 

here is another one

 

To quote Jim Kaat from Sunday night's BBWAA dinner, about his old Yankees teammate Lou Piniella: "I've always been amazed that a guy could be such a successful manager even though he hates pitchers." My apologies if I tweaked a word or two there, but that was Kaat's sentiment. Heilman had best get off to a good start, for his sake.

 

 

 

just thought this thread could use a little giggle spice

[Guest]

When Eyre was still on the team and not being used, many people here were wondering why, and many people were wondering why we dumped him.

 

He only gave up 1 run in his first 10.1 IP last season, then he had 3 straight bad games and they just quit on him. That's when he went to Philly and was light out. Also he had a .74 ERA over his last 30 games (24.1 IP) of 2007.

 

He would have good stretches. And then turn to crap so you couldn't trust him any more except for mop up work.

 

I would say that the 7.15 ERA and 1.71 WHIP while with the Cubs is why they quit on him. But hey, I am sure he really is great and a guy like Gregg is completely useless junk.

 

Eyre had a good 06, a bad first half of 07, a great second half of 07, and was very good in 2008 outside of one bad 3 game stretch. That means he was good for the vast majority of the past 3 season, yet you're making him out to be awful. People just hate him because they only remember when he was really bad.

 

He's notg reat by any means, but he's above average and at the very least.. a great LOOGY. Something that we don't have.

 

Just to add on a bit to your stats, that poor 3 game stretch included a stint on the DL in the middle.

 

Eyre had a 0.87 ERA and a .968 WHIP in 10 1/3 IP from May 10 to June 17. He then gave up 3 ER on June 19, 2 ER on June 26, went on the DL, and allowed 3 ER on July 31, all in 1/3 of an inning per appearance. He was then traded to the Phillies.

 

Obviously it's no guarantee, but there's a high likelihood that Eyre wasn't fully healthy in at least one of those two pre-DL stint appearances, and after it was his first ML appearance in a month, so a little rust was to be expected.

 

It was a belief that Eyre was in Lou's doghouse, hence the reason he only got 10 1/3 innings from 5/10 to 6/17 while Bob Howry got 22 IP in the same time span.

[RynoRules]

Everyone please take a step back from this thread, take a deep breath, and chill.

 

Reminds me of the classic and underrated, "Real Genius":

 

"Ok, lets just take a step fwd. Now take a step back. Now take a step fwd., and back....and now we cha-cha!!"