Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[E.J.]

except zambrano can hit and isnt 95

And compared to the Big Unit, Z fields like Maddux in his prime.

 

Why are we comparing Randy Johnson to Z? Why are we not comparing him to the person he'd be replacing in the roatation (Marquis or Marshall)?

[Clem Fandango]

except zambrano can hit and isnt 95

And compared to the Big Unit, Z fields like Maddux in his prime.

 

Why are we comparing Randy Johnson to Z? Why are we not comparing him to the person he'd be replacing in the roatation (Marquis or Marshall)?

 

I guess that's my fault, even though I wasn't really comparing them, I was using Z as a basis of comparison so people would stop thinking Johnson would be a horrible alternative to filling the spot left by Marquis

[cubsfan26]

What Bruce Levine said on the radio today.

 

Bruce Levine led off Talkin' Baseball on Saturday morning with, "Most people think it's over, it is not." Of course, Mr. Levine was referring to the Cubs quest to acquire Jake Peavy. Levine said many do not agree with him and to that he said, "All I can do is report what I am told."

 

Since the end of the season Bruce Levine has been reporting on a consistent basis that the Cubs are interested in Jake Peavy....even after Lou Piniella's statements the first time stated the Cubs were not. Levine added the trade for Jake Peavy could still be made and he feels the two sides will continue to talk. He said unless the Cubs start trading off chips that would have to be involved in a possible deal for Peavy or if Peavy is dealt to another team (like the Angels).... then he feels there will be continued dialogue between Jim Hendry and Kevin Towers.

 

 

Kevin Towers kept pushing for more talent from the Cubs and Levine confirmed he asked for AngelGuzman at the last minute. Neither Towers nor Hendry would tell Levine that the deal is dead

 

 

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2008/12/cubsrumors1213.php#more

[17 Seconds]

Is this is true it is very surprising. If true though, why wouldn't trhe Cubs do it anyways? Is Hendry tryong to get somebody for Marquis that actually helps us win this year? I thought he was just trying to dump his contract.

 

Bruce Levine and Carmen DeFalco discussed Jason Marquis briefly on Saturday morning. The Story breaker dropped a 'little tidbit'.... Rumors during the Winter Meetings suggested Kevin Towers had identified a team that he could flip Jason Marquis to once he received Marquis, and cash, from the Cubs for Jake Peavy. According to Bruce Levine that team was the Milwaukee Brewers.

 

Levine said Towers had a deal in place to receive two pitching prospects from the Brewers for Marquis. The Brewers are apparently very interested in Marquis...especially if the Cubs are paying between $4 to $6 million dollars of his salary for next season.

 

 

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2008/12/cubsrumors1213.php#more

[cubswin2009]

The Brewers? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[17 Seconds]

2 reasons i question the validity of that

 

1) why would the brewers want to help us get peavy?

 

2) why would they want marquis?

[Jehrico]

except zambrano can hit and isnt 95

And compared to the Big Unit, Z fields like Maddux in his prime.

 

Why are we comparing Randy Johnson to Z? Why are we not comparing him to the person he'd be replacing in the roatation (Marquis or Marshall)?

 

I guess that's my fault, even though I wasn't really comparing them, I was using Z as a basis of comparison so people would stop thinking Johnson would be a horrible alternative to filling the spot left by Marquis

There's reasonable evidence to suggest we can't expect a similar performance from RJ in 09. He's a horrible alternative because there's a small but reasonable possibility he won't be good, and there's an even better possibility he won't be healthy. Horrible may be overstating it just a little bit, but he's not a desirable option.

[Backtobanks]

2 reasons i question the validity of that

 

1) why would the brewers want to help us get peavy?

 

2) why would they want marquis?

 

I'm not sure I can answer the second question, but the answer to the first might be that it is a completely seperate deal. Marquis would go to the Padres and then the Padres would try to trade Marquis to some other team (Brewers?). Actually, I was thinking that Hendry ought to trade players like Marquis and Pie to SD in the Peavy deal and let Towers deal with getting the extra pieces that he wants.

[BigbadB]

Actually, I was thinking that Hendry ought to trade players like Marquis and Pie to SD in the Peavy deal and let Towers deal with getting the extra pieces that he wants.

 

And that's probably the best way for this deal to go down, especially now that Philadelphia has seemed to move on.

[Clem Fandango]

except zambrano can hit and isnt 95

And compared to the Big Unit, Z fields like Maddux in his prime.

 

Why are we comparing Randy Johnson to Z? Why are we not comparing him to the person he'd be replacing in the roatation (Marquis or Marshall)?

 

I guess that's my fault, even though I wasn't really comparing them, I was using Z as a basis of comparison so people would stop thinking Johnson would be a horrible alternative to filling the spot left by Marquis

There's reasonable evidence to suggest we can't expect a similar performance from RJ in 09. He's a horrible alternative because there's a small but reasonable possibility he won't be good, and there's an even better possibility he won't be healthy. Horrible may be overstating it just a little bit, but he's not a desirable option.

 

Yeah, that's true. I suppose the way I was reading into the criticism was that Johnson didn't have anything left in the tank and couldn't produce effectively

[nilodnayr]

Actually, I was thinking that Hendry ought to trade players like Marquis and Pie to SD in the Peavy deal and let Towers deal with getting the extra pieces that he wants.

 

And that's probably the best way for this deal to go down, especially now that Philadelphia has seemed to move on.

 

Um, not from the Padres perspective. They'd be damn sure to walk away from the deal with the players they want, not the players they don't want and take the chance that at some point in the offseason they might be able to use the players they don't want to get the players they do.

[nilodnayr]

2 reasons i question the validity of that

 

1) why would the brewers want to help us get peavy?

 

2) why would they want marquis?

 

I'm not sure I can answer the second question, but the answer to the first might be that it is a completely seperate deal. Marquis would go to the Padres and then the Padres would try to trade Marquis to some other team (Brewers?). Actually, I was thinking that Hendry ought to trade players like Marquis and Pie to SD in the Peavy deal and let Towers deal with getting the extra pieces that he wants.

 

So are you implying that the Brewers are unaware of the Cubs needing to move Marquis to fit Peavy into the payroll?

[BigbadB]

Actually, I was thinking that Hendry ought to trade players like Marquis and Pie to SD in the Peavy deal and let Towers deal with getting the extra pieces that he wants.

 

And that's probably the best way for this deal to go down, especially now that Philadelphia has seemed to move on.

 

Um, not from the Padres perspective. They'd be damn sure to walk away from the deal with the players they want, not the players they don't want and take the chance that at some point in the offseason they might be able to use the players they don't want to get the players they do.

 

There was a point during the winter meetings where someone made reference to the Padres believing the Cubs now had the players to facillitate a straight up trade without needing other teams to be involved. I would imagine that Hendry wasn't fond of that particular trade, since it completely drained his resources. I'm not sure how true that rumor was, but I've been under the impression the Cubs do have the resources to make that straight up trade.

 

From this list, and I'm guessing Hendry wouldn't part with all of them, which created the need for other teams to get involved, I could see the Padres agreeing to a deal with the Cubs:

 

To Padres: Sean Marshall, Josh Vitters, Jason Marquis (plus cash), Mike Fontenot, Rich Hill, Felix Pie, Angel Guzman, Kevin Hart

 

To Cubs: Peavy

 

The Padres wouldn't need to peddle any of those players. The trade of Peavy alone would get them under the 40m budget. They just wouldn't have any real need for Marquis, since he only has 1 year on his contract. And Marquis would actually be pretty easy to move once more free agents are taken off the market. Marquis is someone they could trade in Spring Training when a SP for some other team's arm falls off.

 

Milwaukee would probably only be interested in Marquis after a Cubs/Padres trade has already been made. I certainly doubt they want to help the Cubs get Peavy. But, if it's already done, what's the harm in wanting a solid back end of the rotation guy, especially when the Cubs are picking up most of the tab?

 

Just a bunch of speculation. Who knows what's really going on behind the scenes?

[Peoriaman]

I suspect the Angels will end up with Peavy.

[PrimeTime]

Towers Interview

 

http://www.gaslampball.com/2008/12/11/690338/kevin-towers-is-spent-afte

[mdwilla]

well at least we where way ahead of the mainstream media on the fact that Towers had no leverage, and Peavy had one preffered club. Sadly as the days pass here it looks like any chance at a deal is dwindling further.

[JWCUB]

Best case:

 

Peavy DOES have to be traded for payroll purposes.

Angles sign Tex

Yanks sign Sheets

Sox sign Lowe

 

If this all takes place, Towers could come back to Hendry. Who knows?

[Backtobanks]

Actually, I was thinking that Hendry ought to trade players like Marquis and Pie to SD in the Peavy deal and let Towers deal with getting the extra pieces that he wants.

 

And that's probably the best way for this deal to go down, especially now that Philadelphia has seemed to move on.

 

Um, not from the Padres perspective. They'd be damn sure to walk away from the deal with the players they want, not the players they don't want and take the chance that at some point in the offseason they might be able to use the players they don't want to get the players they do.

 

The only way the Padres can walk away from a Peavy deal is if they have another team lined up. The Pardres have to trade Peavy and the last we heard, they have no leverage because he only wants to go to the Cubs. Now if he does expand his list of teams to be traded to, then the Padres gain some leverage. I think the only reason the discussions went on so long is that Hendry insists on trying to be fair. Most GMs would have laughed off Towers when he started asking for 5-6 players.

[Backtobanks]

2 reasons i question the validity of that

 

1) why would the brewers want to help us get peavy?

 

2) why would they want marquis?

 

I'm not sure I can answer the second question, but the answer to the first might be that it is a completely seperate deal. Marquis would go to the Padres and then the Padres would try to trade Marquis to some other team (Brewers?). Actually, I was thinking that Hendry ought to trade players like Marquis and Pie to SD in the Peavy deal and let Towers deal with getting the extra pieces that he wants.

 

So are you implying that the Brewers are unaware of the Cubs needing to move Marquis to fit Peavy into the payroll?

 

No I'm not implying that. My point is that Marquis can be traded to the Padres at a reduced rate. If the Padres can then find a taker (Brewers?) for Marquis at his reduced salary, they can trade him for the 2 prospects mentioned. I think Marquis @ $5 million will be in demand after the FA signings.

[nilodnayr]

2 reasons i question the validity of that

 

1) why would the brewers want to help us get peavy?

 

2) why would they want marquis?

 

I'm not sure I can answer the second question, but the answer to the first might be that it is a completely seperate deal. Marquis would go to the Padres and then the Padres would try to trade Marquis to some other team (Brewers?). Actually, I was thinking that Hendry ought to trade players like Marquis and Pie to SD in the Peavy deal and let Towers deal with getting the extra pieces that he wants.

 

So are you implying that the Brewers are unaware of the Cubs needing to move Marquis to fit Peavy into the payroll?

 

No I'm not implying that. My point is that Marquis can be traded to the Padres at a reduced rate. If the Padres can then find a taker (Brewers?) for Marquis at his reduced salary, they can trade him for the 2 prospects mentioned. I think Marquis @ $5 million will be in demand after the FA signings.

 

 

I wasn't saying that it wasn't going to take a 3rd or 4th team, what I was saying was that Towers isn't going to take a guy from the Cubs AND THEN try to trade him to another team. Its only going to get done all at the same time. That was in response to your initial post about a separate deal. Towers isn't going to want to get stuck with some Cubs player that he doesnt want.

[haubrich91]

Maybe Towers and Hendry were sick of all of the media attention around the trade and decided to say discussions were dead, only to talk behind everyone's back.

 

8-)

 

Just kidding. Would make sense though.

[The Other 15]

Even though you're kidding, there is some truth to your statement.

 

Both guys have other issues to deal with. Once those become closer to being completed, if Peavy is still around, they will likely touch base again before spring.

[MixmastaMiguel]

2 reasons i question the validity of that

 

1) why would the brewers want to help us get peavy?

 

2) why would they want marquis?

 

They Brewers might want Marquis in a separate deal. They NEED pitching. They have Gallardo (hurt), Bush, and Parra. If they could get Marquis for something like 6 million, I think it would be worth it. Lets hope we can get rid of Marquis and save somewhere around 6 million.

[sneakypower]

amazing that Angel Guzman was the hold-up

 

we let a better young RP go for the privilege of Kevin Gregg

 

gross

[davearm2]

amazing that Angel Guzman was the hold-up

 

we let a better young RP go for the privilege of Kevin Gregg

 

gross

Not the hold-up... more like the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

There probably wasn't any one player that Hendry refused to put in, he just refused to put them all in.