Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[BigbadB]

I heard an interview with Gary Hughes on XM yesterday. He said the Cubs are in all out win now mode. I guess they figure the new owner will give them the money they need to rebuild the farm down the road.

 

Well, it doesn't bode well for our farm system if they are willing to give it up for Peavy, and they'd still prefer a deal for just a couple of Atlanta's boys.

[davearm2]

Last year, the package the Twins got for Santana didn't look all that great which gives hope that the Cubs can put something together for Peavy.

 

Pie, Vitters, Hill, Cedeno, Theriot, Wuertz and Marquis + cash for Peavy and Greene.

 

Wow, talk about gutting the farm system ..

 

I heard an interview with Gary Hughes on XM yesterday. He said the Cubs are in all out win now mode. I guess they figure the new owner will give them the money they need to rebuild the farm down the road.

Of course the fallacy there is that money is what's needed to rebuild a farm system. Buying up the guys that fall in the draft due to signability can only get you so far, and often that backfires.

 

What's really needed is superior amateur scouting, drafting, and player development. And time.

[jmajew]

Last year, the package the Twins got for Santana didn't look all that great which gives hope that the Cubs can put something together for Peavy.

 

Pie, Vitters, Hill, Cedeno, Theriot, Wuertz and Marquis + cash for Peavy and Greene.

 

Wow, talk about gutting the farm system ..

 

I heard an interview with Gary Hughes on XM yesterday. He said the Cubs are in all out win now mode. I guess they figure the new owner will give them the money they need to rebuild the farm down the road.

Of course the fallacy there is that money is what's needed to rebuild a farm system. Buying up the guys that fall in the draft due to signability can only get you so far, and often that backfires.

 

What's really needed is superior amateur scouting, drafting, and player development. And time.

 

Not to be a smart a$$ but that does cost money. The best scouts get paid more than the bad ones. You can use your money to buy the best scouts which will in turn improve your farm system. Better coaching costs more moeny etc. it is a fact of life if you want the best you have to pay or it.

 

Teams like the braves, Red Sox, Marlins, Rays (Now), Twins, A's, etc all realize this. It is all about where you want to allocate your resources.

[JeffH]

Last year, the package the Twins got for Santana didn't look all that great which gives hope that the Cubs can put something together for Peavy.

 

Pie, Vitters, Hill, Cedeno, Theriot, Wuertz and Marquis + cash for Peavy and Greene.

 

Wow, talk about gutting the farm system ..

 

I heard an interview with Gary Hughes on XM yesterday. He said the Cubs are in all out win now mode. I guess they figure the new owner will give them the money they need to rebuild the farm down the road.

Of course the fallacy there is that money is what's needed to rebuild a farm system. Buying up the guys that fall in the draft due to signability can only get you so far, and often that backfires.

 

What's really needed is superior amateur scouting, drafting, and player development. And time.

 

We are in deep, deep trouble.

[biittner77]

Last year, the package the Twins got for Santana didn't look all that great which gives hope that the Cubs can put something together for Peavy.

 

Pie, Vitters, Hill, Cedeno, Theriot, Wuertz and Marquis + cash for Peavy and Greene.

 

Wow, talk about gutting the farm system ..

 

I heard an interview with Gary Hughes on XM yesterday. He said the Cubs are in all out win now mode. I guess they figure the new owner will give them the money they need to rebuild the farm down the road.

Of course the fallacy there is that money is what's needed to rebuild a farm system. Buying up the guys that fall in the draft due to signability can only get you so far, and often that backfires.

 

What's really needed is superior amateur scouting, drafting, and player development. And time.

 

Not to be a smart a$$ but that does cost money.

 

That's exactly why the Cubs are where they are now. They've shifted their allocation of resources from player development to salaries for the Major League team. Most teams - even the Yankees- can't afford both a high payroll and player development.

[davearm2]

Last year, the package the Twins got for Santana didn't look all that great which gives hope that the Cubs can put something together for Peavy.

 

Pie, Vitters, Hill, Cedeno, Theriot, Wuertz and Marquis + cash for Peavy and Greene.

 

Wow, talk about gutting the farm system ..

 

I heard an interview with Gary Hughes on XM yesterday. He said the Cubs are in all out win now mode. I guess they figure the new owner will give them the money they need to rebuild the farm down the road.

Of course the fallacy there is that money is what's needed to rebuild a farm system. Buying up the guys that fall in the draft due to signability can only get you so far, and often that backfires.

 

What's really needed is superior amateur scouting, drafting, and player development. And time.

 

Not to be a smart a$$ but that does cost money.

 

That's exactly why the Cubs are where they are now. They've shifted their allocation of resources from player development to salaries for the Major League team. Most teams - even the Yankees- can't afford both a high payroll and player development.

I have no way to prove it, but I really think you guys are overstating the role that money plays in player development.

 

Do teams with highly-rated farm systems pay their A-ball coaching staffs significantly more than the teams with poor systems? Doubtful.

 

Do they have more coaches and roving instructors? Also doubtful, besides you could add a handful of of these guys at $60K a year and still not really make a meaningful dent in the grand scheme of things.

 

Do they have access to some expensive cutting-edge technical gadgetry that the other teams are too cheap buy? Hard to imagine that, either.

 

Are there major differences in expenditures for facilities, or training/conditioning/rehab, or equipment, etc.? I'd assume no there, too.

 

I bet you'd find that teams spend pretty similar amounts of money on their minor league operations, so the difference between the good and the bad farm systems doesn't really come down to money, IMO.

[UMFan83]

moochpuppy posted this in a locked thread, but I got a kick out of it:

 

Jake Peavy was in Puerto Rico last week with Hoffman, Young and several other ballplayer friends, including the Brewers' Ryan Braun and the Yankees' Derek Jeter. Another friend called Peavy to ask if he had heard that Peavy soon might be dealt to the Braves.

 

Peavy's response left one person present to conclude that Peavy, whose consent is needed for a trade, will not be going to Atlanta anytime soon, even if the Padres and Braves were to agree to a trade. “I think he wants to go to Chicago,” the friend said.

 

Former Cubs stars Rick Sutcliffe and Mark Grace are friends of Peavy who speak fondly of their experiences with the Cubs.

 

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/nov/15/padres-s16padnotes/?padres

 

Wow, that sounds so much like Donnie's story, that I'm starting to get suspicious.

[Springfield_CUBBY]

Why is the original Peavy thread locked??? I was having fun with that one . . .

[C.C.]

Why is the original Peavy thread locked??? I was having fun with that one . . .

 

Better yet, why was a new one started?

[twothousandfive]

Assuming the Cubs are willing to take on the contract, even with the option guaranteed, it's $81 million over the next five years. Z had another four years at $18 million/year. They are almost exactly the same age, same experience. Maybe Z has a slightly lower value due to injuries, but he's come through them quickly and seemingly fine.

 

If the Cubs had to move Zambrano, would they demand at least one guy who was all-but guaranteed to be a starter the next season, and another guy who could maybe someday be an All-Star? Marshall can be a replacement in the rotation, but not certain to stick and pitch an entire season. Vitters comes closest to the potential All-Star label. I'd think they'd need two in each category. They have nothing at 2B, so maybe that gets Theriot in the mix. Theriot, Marshall, Vitters and. . . Castillo? Seems to me that's the minimum.

 

To match the Santana deal from a year ago (and they probably have to beat it since Peavy is under contract) maybe Vitters or Pie matches Gomez (but I don't quite think so) then Marshall, Veal and Wuertz match the three pitchers the Mets gave up? I think that's what makes it a tough match (in addition to 40-man roster challenges.) Maybe the Cubs can put Pie and Marshall in a deal for, say, Elbert from the Dodgers (Kemp goes in another deal?), and then move him plus Vitters and someone else (Castillo? Theriot?) Would the Dodgers be interested in a SS to help make the deal happen?

[Southpaw191679666239]

Why is the original Peavy thread locked??? I was having fun with that one . . .

 

Asked and answered; and in the same response no less! =D>

[DonnieD]

moochpuppy posted this in a locked thread, but I got a kick out of it:

 

Jake Peavy was in Puerto Rico last week with Hoffman, Young and several other ballplayer friends, including the Brewers' Ryan Braun and the Yankees' Derek Jeter. Another friend called Peavy to ask if he had heard that Peavy soon might be dealt to the Braves.

 

Peavy's response left one person present to conclude that Peavy, whose consent is needed for a trade, will not be going to Atlanta anytime soon, even if the Padres and Braves were to agree to a trade. “I think he wants to go to Chicago,” the friend said.

 

Former Cubs stars Rick Sutcliffe and Mark Grace are friends of Peavy who speak fondly of their experiences with the Cubs.

 

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/nov/15/padres-s16padnotes/?padres

 

Wow, that sounds so much like Donnie's story, that I'm starting to get suspicious.

 

I don't think I mentioned who was in Puerto Rico with him, did I?

[Clem Fandango]

Why is the original Peavy thread locked??? I was having fun with that one . . .

 

Better yet, why was a new one started?

 

I'm guessing because there was still plenty of healthy discussion available about Peavy, as is evident by this new thread, but once the other Cub bloggers started posting all hell broke loose and the thread's last 4 or 5 pages had nothing to do with Peavy

[UMFan83]

moochpuppy posted this in a locked thread, but I got a kick out of it:

 

Jake Peavy was in Puerto Rico last week with Hoffman, Young and several other ballplayer friends, including the Brewers' Ryan Braun and the Yankees' Derek Jeter. Another friend called Peavy to ask if he had heard that Peavy soon might be dealt to the Braves.

 

Peavy's response left one person present to conclude that Peavy, whose consent is needed for a trade, will not be going to Atlanta anytime soon, even if the Padres and Braves were to agree to a trade. “I think he wants to go to Chicago,” the friend said.

 

Former Cubs stars Rick Sutcliffe and Mark Grace are friends of Peavy who speak fondly of their experiences with the Cubs.

 

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/nov/15/padres-s16padnotes/?padres

 

Wow, that sounds so much like Donnie's story, that I'm starting to get suspicious.

 

I don't think I mentioned who was in Puerto Rico with him, did I?

 

I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to uncover that information if they wanted to. I was half kidding though.

[17 Seconds]

I got an e-mail from Churchill today. Who knows if there's any truth to this, but it's still interesting.

 

Cubs' assistant told a friend of mine with the Marlins that they feel like they might have a shot at Peavy... apparently SD and CHIC are trying to get the Nationals, A's or White Sox involved.

 

He threw out a couple of ideas that they have bandied about over the past five days, including a 3-way with the White Sox that would, in theory, land the Cubs Peavy, SS Kahlil Green (6.5 mil in 09) and outfielder Jermaine Dye for Vitters, Pie, Veal and Cedeno. All would go to San Diego, as well as Sox right-hander John Ely or outfielder Jordan Danks. The White Sox would receive Kevin Hart from the Cubs and Kyle Blanks from the Padres.

 

The hang-up is the relationship between the two Chi front offices, and the Padres wanting more impact talent inr eturn for Peavy...

 

Hendry has also expressed strong interest in Javier Vazquez, but the pieces are tough to put together., there, too.

 

I'd be more likely to believe the Peavy/Greene/Dye thing if Dye wasn't mentioned. I can't imagine Hendry/Lou filling RF with a righty when they seem so obsessed with getting a lefty.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I got an e-mail from Churchill today. Who knows if there's any truth to this, but it's still interesting.

 

Cubs' assistant told a friend of mine with the Marlins that they feel like they might have a shot at Peavy... apparently SD and CHIC are trying to get the Nationals, A's or White Sox involved.

 

He threw out a couple of ideas that they have bandied about over the past five days, including a 3-way with the White Sox that would, in theory, land the Cubs Peavy, SS Kahlil Green (6.5 mil in 09) and outfielder Jermaine Dye for Vitters, Pie, Veal and Cedeno. All would go to San Diego, as well as Sox right-hander John Ely or outfielder Jordan Danks. The White Sox would receive Kevin Hart from the Cubs and Kyle Blanks from the Padres.

 

The hang-up is the relationship between the two Chi front offices, and the Padres wanting more impact talent inr eturn for Peavy...

 

Hendry has also expressed strong interest in Javier Vazquez, but the pieces are tough to put together., there, too.

 

I'd be more likely to believe the Peavy/Greene/Dye thing if Dye wasn't mentioned. I can't imagine Hendry/Lou filling RF with a righty when they seem so obsessed with getting a lefty.

 

Who does Churchill write for again?

[soonercub]

Very interesting stuff. Is Churchhill in the media? Thanks for sharing the rumors! Always fun to speculate.

[17 Seconds]

He owns this site-

 

http://prospectinsider.com/

[Butterscup1679666578]

He owns this site-

 

http://prospectinsider.com/

 

That's right, thank you!

[RyneDawson]

Isn't he a Seattle writer? I remember him writing a lot last year when the Seattle and Bedard talks were goin on.

[17 Seconds]

Isn't he a Seattle writer? I remember him writing a lot last year when the Seattle and Bedard talks were goin on.

 

He mainly covers the Mariners but he claims to have other contacts, including one with the Cubs.

[cubsfan26]

I got an e-mail from Churchill today. Who knows if there's any truth to this, but it's still interesting.

 

Cubs' assistant told a friend of mine with the Marlins that they feel like they might have a shot at Peavy... apparently SD and CHIC are trying to get the Nationals, A's or White Sox involved.

 

He threw out a couple of ideas that they have bandied about over the past five days, including a 3-way with the White Sox that would, in theory, land the Cubs Peavy, SS Kahlil Green (6.5 mil in 09) and outfielder Jermaine Dye for Vitters, Pie, Veal and Cedeno. All would go to San Diego, as well as Sox right-hander John Ely or outfielder Jordan Danks. The White Sox would receive Kevin Hart from the Cubs and Kyle Blanks from the Padres.

 

The hang-up is the relationship between the two Chi front offices, and the Padres wanting more impact talent inr eturn for Peavy...

 

Hendry has also expressed strong interest in Javier Vazquez, but the pieces are tough to put together., there, too.

 

I'd be more likely to believe the Peavy/Greene/Dye thing if Dye wasn't mentioned. I can't imagine Hendry/Lou filling RF with a righty when they seem so obsessed with getting a lefty.

 

 

That rumor sounds too good to be true, we get Peavy, Greene and Dye, and were only giving up Vitters, Pie, Cedeno, Hart and Veal? Not to mention the Sox are trading Dye and a good prospect, and getting Kevin Hart and a prospect in return? The Padres are trading Peavy, Greene and a good prospect for Vitters, Pie, Cedeno,Veal and Danks or Ely? It just seems like the Padres and Sox are giving up to much, and were not nearly giving up a enough. Not to mention the media and Sox fans would be all over Kenny Williams if he traded Dye(and propsect) to the Cubs and only got back Kevin Hart and Kyle Blanks.

[UMFan83]

LOL...Peavy AND Greene AND Dye for Vitters, Hart, Cedeno, Veal, Pie?

 

Even with Dye being old and Greene probably having negative value that seems like not enough given up for those 3 players. I'd guess if the White Sox wanted to move Dye, its not a salary dump but a move to get better. I can't see this trade happening, and I'm surprised its legitimate enough for a person in the media to mention it, even if via email.

[17 Seconds]

Well he said it's "an idea that has been bandied about" so it wouldn't be a surprise if those weren't the exact players changing teams, especially when you consider he heard from a guy who heard from someone else. A lot can be lost in translation.

 

Plus weren't there rumors that the White Sox want to dump Dye? Really he's only had 2 good season in the last 8 and a couple of mediocre ones. He's also about to turn 35. He's much more likely to be an .800 OPS guy next season than he is a .900 OPS guy, so it's not far fetched to think the Sox might want to dump him and get what they can.

 

Plus I don't get why you mention the fact that it seems more unrealistc because we'd get those 2 guys "and Greene?!?" when you go on to mention in the very next sentence that he has negative trade value.

[UMFan83]

Well he said it's "an idea that has been bandied about" so it wouldn't be a surprise if those weren't the exact players changing teams, especially when you consider he heard from a guy who heard from someone else. A lot can be lost in translation.

 

Plus weren't there rumors that the White Sox want to dump Dye? Really he's only had 2 good season in the last 8 and a couple of mediocre ones. He's also about to turn 35. He's much more likely to be an .800 OPS guy next season than he is a .900 OPS guy, so it's not far fetched to think the Sox might want to dump him and get what they can.

 

Plus I don't get why you mention the fact that it seems more unrealistc because we'd get those 2 guys "and Greene?!?" when you go on to mention in the very next sentence that he has negative trade value.

 

It just seems unrealistic. Take Greene out of the trade and it still seems unrealistic. That sounds like a package the Cubs would be offering to get just Peavy.