Tribune: Wood Signs Deal with Cleveland (p. 29)

[17 Seconds]

Sounds like Wood was full of isht when he said he'd accept a one year deal.

 

I didn't read the article, but where are you getting that from?

 

The excerpt shows nothing like that.

 

Wood said after the Cubs announced his departure that he would have returned on a one-year deal, even though his agents never raised that possibility, according to a major-league source.

 

I've seen similar things in other articles as well. I also saw a quote from Wood where he was like "I would have considered a one year deal" instead of "I would have accepted a one year deal"

 

I'm not following how he's full of it because his agent never raised the possibility. His agent's job was to get him the maximum contract possible. It would have been stupid for him to offer a 1 year possibility before he could even shop Kerry around to check out the market for him.

 

So he says he'd "have done anything to stay with the Cubs" and that he "would have accepted a one year deal", but he didn't think to tell the Cubs that? Okay. I guess he meant "I'd have done anything....accept tell the Cubs I'd have taken a one year deal. They have to figure it out on their own."

 

If he was telling the truth, then he'll accept arbitration. Pretty simple.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sounds like Wood was full of isht when he said he'd accept a one year deal.

 

I didn't read the article, but where are you getting that from?

 

The excerpt shows nothing like that.

 

Wood said after the Cubs announced his departure that he would have returned on a one-year deal, even though his agents never raised that possibility, according to a major-league source.

 

I've seen similar things in other articles as well. I also saw a quote from Wood where he was like "I would have considered a one year deal" instead of "I would have accepted a one year deal"

 

I'm not following how he's full of it because his agent never raised the possibility. His agent's job was to get him the maximum contract possible. It would have been stupid for him to offer a 1 year possibility before he could even shop Kerry around to check out the market for him.

 

So he says he'd "have done anything to stay with the Cubs" and that he "would have accepted a one year deal", but he didn't think to tell the Cubs that? Okay. I guess he meant "I'd have done anything....accept tell the Cubs I'd have taken a one year deal. They have to figure it out on their own."

 

If he was telling the truth, then he'll accept arbitration. Pretty simple.

 

Probably, but I said about a month ago, there's a certain insult to accepting arbitration from a team that told you you're not wanted anymore.

[17 Seconds]

Sounds like Wood was full of isht when he said he'd accept a one year deal.

 

I didn't read the article, but where are you getting that from?

 

The excerpt shows nothing like that.

 

Wood said after the Cubs announced his departure that he would have returned on a one-year deal, even though his agents never raised that possibility, according to a major-league source.

 

I've seen similar things in other articles as well. I also saw a quote from Wood where he was like "I would have considered a one year deal" instead of "I would have accepted a one year deal"

 

I'm not following how he's full of it because his agent never raised the possibility. His agent's job was to get him the maximum contract possible. It would have been stupid for him to offer a 1 year possibility before he could even shop Kerry around to check out the market for him.

 

So he says he'd "have done anything to stay with the Cubs" and that he "would have accepted a one year deal", but he didn't think to tell the Cubs that? Okay. I guess he meant "I'd have done anything....accept tell the Cubs I'd have taken a one year deal. They have to figure it out on their own."

 

If he was telling the truth, then he'll accept arbitration. Pretty simple.

 

Probably, but I said about a month ago, there's a certain insult to accepting arbitration from a team that told you you're not wanted anymore.

 

They said they can't afford him, not that they don't want him. Him and Hendry are good friends

[SouthSideRyan]

Sounds like Wood was full of isht when he said he'd accept a one year deal.

 

I didn't read the article, but where are you getting that from?

 

The excerpt shows nothing like that.

 

Wood said after the Cubs announced his departure that he would have returned on a one-year deal, even though his agents never raised that possibility, according to a major-league source.

 

I've seen similar things in other articles as well. I also saw a quote from Wood where he was like "I would have considered a one year deal" instead of "I would have accepted a one year deal"

 

I'm not following how he's full of it because his agent never raised the possibility. His agent's job was to get him the maximum contract possible. It would have been stupid for him to offer a 1 year possibility before he could even shop Kerry around to check out the market for him.

 

So he says he'd "have done anything to stay with the Cubs" and that he "would have accepted a one year deal", but he didn't think to tell the Cubs that? Okay. I guess he meant "I'd have done anything....accept tell the Cubs I'd have taken a one year deal. They have to figure it out on their own."

 

If he was telling the truth, then he'll accept arbitration. Pretty simple.

 

Probably, but I said about a month ago, there's a certain insult to accepting arbitration from a team that told you you're not wanted anymore.

 

They said they can't afford him, not that they don't want him. Him and Hendry are good friends

 

Semantics. They can't afford him because they want to spend their money on other people. They don't want him at the price he'll command.

[17 Seconds]

Sounds like Wood was full of isht when he said he'd accept a one year deal.

 

I didn't read the article, but where are you getting that from?

 

The excerpt shows nothing like that.

 

Wood said after the Cubs announced his departure that he would have returned on a one-year deal, even though his agents never raised that possibility, according to a major-league source.

 

I've seen similar things in other articles as well. I also saw a quote from Wood where he was like "I would have considered a one year deal" instead of "I would have accepted a one year deal"

 

I'm not following how he's full of it because his agent never raised the possibility. His agent's job was to get him the maximum contract possible. It would have been stupid for him to offer a 1 year possibility before he could even shop Kerry around to check out the market for him.

 

So he says he'd "have done anything to stay with the Cubs" and that he "would have accepted a one year deal", but he didn't think to tell the Cubs that? Okay. I guess he meant "I'd have done anything....accept tell the Cubs I'd have taken a one year deal. They have to figure it out on their own."

 

If he was telling the truth, then he'll accept arbitration. Pretty simple.

 

Probably, but I said about a month ago, there's a certain insult to accepting arbitration from a team that told you you're not wanted anymore.

 

They said they can't afford him, not that they don't want him. Him and Hendry are good friends

 

Semantics. They can't afford him because they want to spend their money on other people. They don't want him at the price he'll command.

 

That's fine, but if he doesn't want to accept arbitration (which I wouldn't expect him to) then he shouldn't say that's he'd do "anything" to stay with the Cubs. I have no problem with Wood chasing the money.... everybody does. I just wish he wouldn't act like he would have stayed for one year when I don't think that's true.

[JeffH]

CHICAGO -- The Cubs were expected to offer free agent Kerry Wood arbitration on Monday, but they may not do so for their other free agents such as Jim Edmonds, Daryle Ward and Bob Howry.

 

Teams must decide by 10:59 p.m. CT on Monday whether to offer arbitration to their six-year free agents. By doing so, a team will guarantee itself two Draft picks for any Type A free agent it loses, and one Draft pick (sandwich pick) for a Type B free agent. The club cannot get compensation for any free agent it loses if it does not offer arbitration.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081126&content_id=3694386&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

 

For those of us who hope Hendry offers arbitration to Wood, I wouldn't take too much comfort in this article by the truly awful Carrie Muskat.

 

In it, she provides this wonderful bit of misinformation:

 

Monday also is the deadline for teams to decide whether to offer arbitration to players with three to six years of big league service time. That group of Cubs includes shortstop Ronny Cedeno, outfielder Reed Johnson, and pitchers Neal Cotts, Chad Gaudin, Kevin Gregg and Michael Wuertz.

 

Wrong, Carrie. That deadline is December 12th.

[cubsfan26]

I find it really funny, that your hoping Hendry doesn't offer him arb. so you can have a reason to bash him. It's not healthy when your hoping that the GM makes a poor move, just so you can go on a rant about how much he sucks. Personally I'm pretty confident that we will offer Wood arbiration. Just because I feel Hendry/Wood are so close, that Wood wouldn't accept it if he knew Hendry didn't want him to. Plus it's not like Wood won't be able to get a 1y 9-10 or a 2y 18m deal from some team this offseason. Even if Wood did for some reason accept it, we could always trade Kevin Gregg for another quality prospect later in the offseason.

[JeffH]

I find it really funny, that your hoping Hendry doesn't offer him arb. so you can have a reason to bash him. It's not healthy when your hoping that the GM makes a poor move, just so you can go on a rant about how much he sucks. Personally I'm pretty confident that we will offer Wood arbiration. Just because I feel Hendry/Wood are so close, that Wood wouldn't accept it if he knew Hendry didn't want him to. Plus it's not like Wood won't be able to get a 1y 9-10 or a 2y 18m deal from some team this offseason. Even if Wood did for some reason accept it, we could always trade Kevin Gregg for another quality prospect later in the offseason.

 

I hope he DOES offer. Regardless, he is a poor MLB GM.

[cubsfan26]

I find it really funny, that your hoping Hendry doesn't offer him arb. so you can have a reason to bash him. It's not healthy when your hoping that the GM makes a poor move, just so you can go on a rant about how much he sucks. Personally I'm pretty confident that we will offer Wood arbiration. Just because I feel Hendry/Wood are so close, that Wood wouldn't accept it if he knew Hendry didn't want him to. Plus it's not like Wood won't be able to get a 1y 9-10 or a 2y 18m deal from some team this offseason. Even if Wood did for some reason accept it, we could always trade Kevin Gregg for another quality prospect later in the offseason.

 

I hope he DOES offer. Regardless, he is a poor MLB GM.

 

 

We all know your opinion, you mention it every chance you get. But many no longer agree with you, and have reasons not to. Obviously you have it set in your mind that Hendry sucks, and even if he traded Koyle Hill for Pujols tomorrow he still would be a poor MLB GM in you're eyes.

[CubinNY]

Even if Wood did for some reason accept it, we could always trade Kevin Gregg for another quality prospect later in the offseason.

 

No the Cubs couldn't. Gregg sucks ass. Nobody is going to give a quality prospect to get him except Hendry.

[CUBZ99]

Even if Wood did for some reason accept it, we could always trade Kevin Gregg for another quality prospect later in the offseason.

 

No the Cubs couldn't. Gregg sucks ass. Nobody is going to give a quality prospect to get him except Hendry.

 

I bet we would both be amazed at the number of GM's that consider Gregg to be a valuable commodity simply based upon the fact that he had 29(or so) saves last year. I have no doubt Hendry could get value for Gregg, the question would be, why would he want to? He just traded value for the guy, and 2008 Gregg is definitely an upgrade from 2008 Howry, at approximately the same price.

 

It was mentioned in the Peavy trade thread that Hendry believes the Cubs have a two year window to win. I have no issues with him going all out in attempt to win everything now.

[CubinNY]

Even if Wood did for some reason accept it, we could always trade Kevin Gregg for another quality prospect later in the offseason.

 

No the Cubs couldn't. Gregg sucks ass. Nobody is going to give a quality prospect to get him except Hendry.

 

I bet we would both be amazed at the number of GM's that consider Gregg to be a valuable commodity simply based upon the fact that he had 29(or so) saves last year. I have no doubt Hendry could get value for Gregg, the question would be, why would he want to? He just traded value for the guy, and 2008 Gregg is definitely an upgrade from 2008 Howry, at approximately the same price.

 

It was mentioned in the Peavy trade thread that Hendry believes the Cubs have a two year window to win. I have no issues with him going all out in attempt to win everything now.

Kevin Gregg sucks. He's not an upgrade. When he starts walking people Lou won't use him and the Cubs will have another 7 man relief staff, of which 3 or 4 will be used regularly.

 

All Gregg does is move Marmol from a high % of important innings to "closer", b/c Gregg won't be closing games for the Cubs.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Can we stop with the hyperbole?

 

Hendry is not an awful GM.

 

Muskat getting a date wrong doesn't mean she has no clue about the Cubs' intentions with Wood(doesn't mean she does have a clue either).

 

Gregg is not terrible, and to say he's not an upgrade over 2008 Howry is insane.

[CubinNY]

 

Gregg is not terrible, and to say he's not an upgrade over 2008 Howry is insane.

 

Gregg Sucks even compared to Howry. And Hendry is not a good GM.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1793&playerid2=237&playerid3=&position=P&page=3&type=full

[Derwood]

 

Gregg is not terrible, and to say he's not an upgrade over 2008 Howry is insane.

 

Gregg Sucks even compared to Howry. And Hendry is not a good GM.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1793&playerid2=237&playerid3=&position=P&page=3&type=full

 

so K/BB is the best way to judge pitchers now? I missed the memo

[cubsfan26]

Even if Wood did for some reason accept it, we could always trade Kevin Gregg for another quality prospect later in the offseason.

 

No the Cubs couldn't. Gregg sucks ass. Nobody is going to give a quality prospect to get him except Hendry.

 

I bet we would both be amazed at the number of GM's that consider Gregg to be a valuable commodity simply based upon the fact that he had 29(or so) saves last year. I have no doubt Hendry could get value for Gregg, the question would be, why would he want to? He just traded value for the guy, and 2008 Gregg is definitely an upgrade from 2008 Howry, at approximately the same price.

 

It was mentioned in the Peavy trade thread that Hendry believes the Cubs have a two year window to win. I have no issues with him going all out in attempt to win everything now.

Kevin Gregg sucks. He's not an upgrade. When he starts walking people Lou won't use him and the Cubs will have another 7 man relief staff, of which 3 or 4 will be used regularly.

 

All Gregg does is move Marmol from a high % of important innings to "closer", b/c Gregg won't be closing games for the Cubs.

 

 

 

Haha, If you don't think guys who will only make 4-5m(will most likely be a Type A free agent), who's saved 61 of 74 games with a 3.48 era over the last two years have good value around the league. Then I don't think you really know what you're talking about. Gregg could also have more value later in the offseason(when the free agent closers are off the market) for a team desperate for a closer, or during the season. If you think Gregg sucks ass, thats fine, but that doesn't mean a GM wouldn't give up a prospect just as good as Ceda or better for him. I think you're really overlooking how most GM's value saves and ERA.

Edited December 1, 2008 by cubsfan26

[CubinNY]

 

Gregg is not terrible, and to say he's not an upgrade over 2008 Howry is insane.

 

Gregg Sucks even compared to Howry. And Hendry is not a good GM.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1793&playerid2=237&playerid3=&position=P&page=3&type=full

 

so K/BB is the best way to judge pitchers now? I missed the memo

You miss a lot of things.

 

It's one of the more important stats when judging a relief pitchers. However, Howry's been better than Gregg in almost every category save for last year. I don't like Howry, but Gregg is terrible.

[cubsfan26]

 

Gregg is not terrible, and to say he's not an upgrade over 2008 Howry is insane.

 

Gregg Sucks even compared to Howry. And Hendry is not a good GM.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1793&playerid2=237&playerid3=&position=P&page=3&type=full

 

so K/BB is the best way to judge pitchers now? I missed the memo

You miss a lot of things.

 

It's one of the more important stats when judging a relief pitchers. However, Howry's been better than Gregg in almost every category save for last year. I don't like Howry, but Gregg is terrible.

 

 

Howry was a good pitcher before last season, but he no longer can throw 95 plus. I don't think you realize how much GM's value ERA and saves. I'm not saying I agree with it, but thats now things work in baseball. The Hendry is a bad GM stuff is just stupid, name me the last GM who's won 3 division titles in his first 6 years? Or worse signings are guys like Glendon Rusch and Neifi Perez. We could do alot worse then Hendry, and he's far from a terrible GM or even one of the worse in the league. Anybody who thinks Hendry is terrible wouldn't be happy with any GM.

[Backtobanks]

 

Gregg is not terrible, and to say he's not an upgrade over 2008 Howry is insane.

 

Gregg Sucks even compared to Howry. And Hendry is not a good GM.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1793&playerid2=237&playerid3=&position=P&page=3&type=full

 

so K/BB is the best way to judge pitchers now? I missed the memo

You miss a lot of things.

 

It's one of the more important stats when judging a relief pitchers. However, Howry's been better than Gregg in almost every category save for last year. I don't like Howry, but Gregg is terrible.

 

 

Howry was a good pitcher before last season, but he no longer can throw 95 plus. I don't think you realize how much GM's value ERA and saves. I'm not saying I agree with it, but thats now things work in baseball. The Hendry is a bad GM stuff is just stupid, name me the last GM who's won 3 division titles in his first 6 years? Or worse signings are guys like Glendon Rusch and Neifi Perez. We could do alot worse then Hendry, and he's far from a terrible GM or even one of the worse in the league. Anybody who thinks Hendry is terrible wouldn't be happy with any GM.

 

Ding! Ding! We have a winner. Obviously some posters just want to be negative, whether there's a reason or not.

[Jehrico]

 

Gregg is not terrible, and to say he's not an upgrade over 2008 Howry is insane.

 

Gregg Sucks even compared to Howry. And Hendry is not a good GM.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1793&playerid2=237&playerid3=&position=P&page=3&type=full

 

so K/BB is the best way to judge pitchers now? I missed the memo

You miss a lot of things.

 

It's one of the more important stats when judging a relief pitchers. However, Howry's been better than Gregg in almost every category save for last year. I don't like Howry, but Gregg is terrible.

 

 

Howry was a good pitcher before last season, but he no longer can throw 95 plus. I don't think you realize how much GM's value ERA and saves. I'm not saying I agree with it, but thats now things work in baseball. The Hendry is a bad GM stuff is just stupid, name me the last GM who's won 3 division titles in his first 6 years? Or worse signings are guys like Glendon Rusch and Neifi Perez. We could do alot worse then Hendry, and he's far from a terrible GM or even one of the worse in the league. Anybody who thinks Hendry is terrible wouldn't be happy with any GM.

Hendry is like everything else in life...you take the good with the bad. He has a penchant for overpaying overvalued role players like Neifi, but he's also has 100% success keeping the good guys we want to keep that could have killed on the market at reasonable deals, and his success rate of coming out ahead on trades is pretty damned good. He has also been able to get the Trib to open up their pocket books more than ever, which is pretty amazing when you consider how badly that company has been bleeding money for some time now. He's by no means perfect, but when compared to other GMs in the league, his positives outweigh his negatives.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

Gregg is not terrible, and to say he's not an upgrade over 2008 Howry is insane.

 

Gregg Sucks even compared to Howry. And Hendry is not a good GM.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1793&playerid2=237&playerid3=&position=P&page=3&type=full

 

You are being ridiculous. Gregg is better, much better, than what we got from Howry last year. Yes, Gregg walks too many guys, but he's fine at everything else. Last year Howry didn't walk many guys, and was awful at everything else.

[The Other 15]

CHICAGO -- The Cubs were expected to offer free agent Kerry Wood arbitration on Monday, but they may not do so for their other free agents such as Jim Edmonds, Daryle Ward and Bob Howry.

 

Teams must decide by 10:59 p.m. CT on Monday whether to offer arbitration to their six-year free agents. By doing so, a team will guarantee itself two Draft picks for any Type A free agent it loses, and one Draft pick (sandwich pick) for a Type B free agent. The club cannot get compensation for any free agent it loses if it does not offer arbitration.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081126&content_id=3694386&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

 

For those of us who hope Hendry offers arbitration to Wood, I wouldn't take too much comfort in this article by the truly awful Carrie Muskat.

 

In it, she provides this wonderful bit of misinformation:

 

Monday also is the deadline for teams to decide whether to offer arbitration to players with three to six years of big league service time. That group of Cubs includes shortstop Ronny Cedeno, outfielder Reed Johnson, and pitchers Neal Cotts, Chad Gaudin, Kevin Gregg and Michael Wuertz.

Wrong, Carrie. That deadline is December 12th.

 

Where did you get your information from? Maybe the 12th is the date that players have to accept by but today is the deadline for teams to offer arb.

[Guest]

Where did you get your information from? Maybe the 12th is the date that players have to accept by but today is the deadline for teams to offer arb.

Unless things are different this year than past years, the deadline for players who are between 2-6 years of service time is different from the unrestricted free agency deadline.

[The Other 15]

Today is the deadline for teams to offer arb and Sunday is the deadline for players to accept arb.

[ConstableRabbit]

 

Gregg is not terrible, and to say he's not an upgrade over 2008 Howry is insane.

 

Gregg Sucks even compared to Howry. And Hendry is not a good GM.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1793&playerid2=237&playerid3=&position=P&page=3&type=full

 

so K/BB is the best way to judge pitchers now? I missed the memo

You miss a lot of things.

 

It's one of the more important stats when judging a relief pitchers. However, Howry's been better than Gregg in almost every category save for last year. I don't like Howry, but Gregg is terrible.

By your logic and looking at the graph you provided, last year was Howry's best year ever.

 

His K/BB ratio was great because he never walked anyone... because he left fat pitches over the plate that got crushed. K/BB is important, but so is the quality of a pitcher's stuff -- something that does not appear on the graph provided.