College Football - Week of 11/1

[SouthSideRyan]

Meph Challenge!

 

USF: 34, Cincy 16

Minnesota: 30, NU: 24

MSU: 27, Wisconsin: 20

Tulsa: 48, Arkansas 34

Alabama: 31, Arkansas St. 3

Missouri: 54, Baylor: 14

Florida: 31, Georgia: 20

OK St.: 61, Iowa St.: 10

GA Tech: 20, FSU: 10

Oregon: 34, Cal 17

BYU: 38, Colorado St.: 17

USC: 52, Washington: 7

Boise St.: 41, NM St.: 14

Texas: 41, Texas Tech: 34

Oklahoma: 45, Nebraska: 24

TCU: 35, UNLV 10

LSU: 21, Tulane 14

Utah: 30, New Mexico: 21

 

Heh, just realized I took the higher ranked team in every game. I usually don't do that.

[Derwood]

is Georgia's defense that bad?

[Mephistopheles]

No, the Florida offense and special teams is just that good.

[B]

In the Hou/Marshall game a receiver ran through the endzone chasing a pass and hit a wagon. You could see his leg snap at his shin on the replay.

[imb]

i think i might just take arkansas over tulsa

 

what's the spread?

[Warpticon]

i think i might just take arkansas over tulsa

 

what's the spread?

 

I'm seeing Tulsa -7.

[B]

i think i might just take arkansas over tulsa

 

what's the spread?

that's the only game that isn't out yet.

[Andy]

The MAC East division has two teams tied at 2-2, a 1-2 team, three 1-3 teams and a 1-4 team. And that's league records.

 

Meanwhile Ball State is stuck in the division with three other teams who are 4-1 or better in the MAC. The best four teams in the league all in the West...insane.

[Ski]

Lol, has anyone seen this before?

 

[CubInOK]

Lol, has anyone seen this before?

 

That play happened last season, but it was pretty awesome. Those almost never work, but when they do, they're epic.

[RedFlash]

Lol, has anyone seen this before?

 

That play happened last season, but it was pretty awesome. Those almost never work, but when they do, they're epic.

 

Several players on Millsap's team (coached by former Crimson Tide coach Mike Dubose) quit on the play.

[Flames24Rulz]

The MAC East division has two teams tied at 2-2, a 1-2 team, three 1-3 teams and a 1-4 team. And that's league records.

 

Meanwhile Ball State is stuck in the division with three other teams who are 4-1 or better in the MAC. The best four teams in the league all in the West...insane.

 

The MAC East is an absolute joke.

 

Ball St. will be a great measuring stick for NIU next Wednesday. Regardless of what happens in that game, Jerry Kill has done a great job of making them respectable again after that terrible year they had last year.

[B]

Lol, has anyone seen this before?

 

I missed it the 1,000 times ESPN played it last year.

[B]

i think i might just take arkansas over tulsa

 

what's the spread?

 

I'm seeing Tulsa -7.

yep

[CubInOK]

Statheads, please chime in. Is this method of measuring a defense very feasible or actually useful? I like how it basically adjusts for pace of games, but its glaring weakness is that it doesn't adjust for anything like starting field position, etc.

 

Also, can you take (1 - opp def efficiency) to get a similar offensive efficiency metric for a single game?

[B]

Meph Challenge!

 

LSU: 21, Tulane 14

 

Heh, just realized I took the higher ranked team in every game. I usually don't do that.

You really believe it will be that close?

[treebird]

can we play the "best/worst town" game for the big ten?

 

Without having visited them all I can probably guess that West Lafayette is the worst

 

(i've lived in State College and Columbus, went to school in Evanston, and visited Madison, Bloomington and Iowa City)

 

Depends on how you judge Evanston. I've never been to Minnesota or know anyone who has. Other than those 2 possibilities, yeah it's gotta be West Lafayette.

 

my view of Evanston was that the University area was populated by super rich people who hated that the University was there. They passed every law they could to prevent the students from having anything fun to do.

 

when were you in Evanston? It's a lot different than it was in the early 90s. Lots more bars/restaurants, and the downtown area is now a destination spot for those not in the mood to go into the city.

 

Fact is, a lot of Evanstonians DO hate NW. The tax-free pass they get, based on a charter from the stone age, makes the locals have to pay obscene taxes. And the self-entitled, rich students are often not the most pleasant folks. Kellogg business students are notorious a-holes. For the record, I grew up in Evanston, and both my parents went to NW.

 

i know a guy who went to northwestern for undergrad and loved it except for about 90% of the people who went there. the story he always told to give a sense of what a lot of people were like was watching his rich friends get out of a cab (that had brought them from the airport) and just run away from the car and skip the fare. then they defended it by saying the guy was an illegal immigrant and their taxes were paying him too much already.

[Derwood]

i know a guy who went to northwestern for undergrad and loved it except for about 90% of the people who went there. the story he always told to give a sense of what a lot of people were like was watching his rich friends get out of a cab (that had brought them from the airport) and just run away from the car and skip the fare. then they defended it by saying the guy was an illegal immigrant and their taxes were paying him too much already.

 

having taught some of these students, I can say they definitely have a grand sense of "grade entitlement". They expect A's, and if they don't get one, they expect you (the prof) to provide them an avenue to change the grade to an A. If you don't give them that avenue (re-doing the work, extra credit, etc.) they throw a colossal fit.

[CubinNY]

i know a guy who went to northwestern for undergrad and loved it except for about 90% of the people who went there. the story he always told to give a sense of what a lot of people were like was watching his rich friends get out of a cab (that had brought them from the airport) and just run away from the car and skip the fare. then they defended it by saying the guy was an illegal immigrant and their taxes were paying him too much already.

 

having taught some of these students, I can say they definitely have a grand sense of "grade entitlement". They expect A's, and if they don't get one, they expect you (the prof) to provide them an avenue to change the grade to an A. If you don't give them that avenue (re-doing the work, extra credit, etc.) they throw a colossal fit.

There is nothing in your statement that separates NW students from University of Memphis students. I can pretty much guarantee you that the two groups aren't in the same tax bracket most of the time.

[snoodmonger]

can we play the "best/worst town" game for the big ten?

 

Without having visited them all I can probably guess that West Lafayette is the worst

 

(i've lived in State College and Columbus, went to school in Evanston, and visited Madison, Bloomington and Iowa City)

 

Depends on how you judge Evanston. I've never been to Minnesota or know anyone who has. Other than those 2 possibilities, yeah it's gotta be West Lafayette.

 

my view of Evanston was that the University area was populated by super rich people who hated that the University was there. They passed every law they could to prevent the students from having anything fun to do.

 

when were you in Evanston? It's a lot different than it was in the early 90s. Lots more bars/restaurants, and the downtown area is now a destination spot for those not in the mood to go into the city.

 

Fact is, a lot of Evanstonians DO hate NW. The tax-free pass they get, based on a charter from the stone age, makes the locals have to pay obscene taxes. And the self-entitled, rich students are often not the most pleasant folks. Kellogg business students are notorious a-holes. For the record, I grew up in Evanston, and both my parents went to NW.

 

i know a guy who went to northwestern for undergrad and loved it except for about 90% of the people who went there. the story he always told to give a sense of what a lot of people were like was watching his rich friends get out of a cab (that had brought them from the airport) and just run away from the car and skip the fare. then they defended it by saying the guy was an illegal immigrant and their taxes were paying him too much already.

 

Sounds about right.

 

Like I said earlier, I was the doorguy/"bouncer" at one of the local bars. The Kellogg students (NW's School of Biz) would always come and try to use their student IDs as proof of age. Their reasoning was that it was highly unlikely a Kellogg School of Business graduate student would be under 21. And I agree. But it still didn't count as a legit ID, no matter how logical the argument was. No bar accepts student IDs as a form of identification.

 

So I'd get into this argument 20 times every Tuesday, which was Kellogg night. It was often with the same students every week. They knew I wouldn't accept school IDs, but they still brought them in. And when I'd neg them, they'd actually say stuff like, "I go to Kellogg. In 3 years, I'll be able to buy this bar. And maybe I will, just to fire you." I heard stuff comparable to that ALL THE TIME.

 

Pricks.

Edited October 29, 2008 by snoodmonger

[Derwood]

i know a guy who went to northwestern for undergrad and loved it except for about 90% of the people who went there. the story he always told to give a sense of what a lot of people were like was watching his rich friends get out of a cab (that had brought them from the airport) and just run away from the car and skip the fare. then they defended it by saying the guy was an illegal immigrant and their taxes were paying him too much already.

 

having taught some of these students, I can say they definitely have a grand sense of "grade entitlement". They expect A's, and if they don't get one, they expect you (the prof) to provide them an avenue to change the grade to an A. If you don't give them that avenue (re-doing the work, extra credit, etc.) they throw a colossal fit.

There is nothing in your statement that separates NW students from University of Memphis students. I can pretty much guarantee you that the two groups aren't in the same tax bracket most of the time.

 

The NW kids are a mixture of kids who were spoiled financially and told they were brilliant academically. It's a rough mix. Needless to say, my teaching evaluations had some choice words from a few of them.

[treebird]

Sounds about right.

 

Like I said earlier, I was the doorguy/"bouncer" at one of the local bars. The Kellogg students (NW's School of Biz) would always come and try to use their student IDs as proof of age. They're reasoning was that it was highly unlikely a Kellogg School of Business graduate student would be under 21. And I agree. But it still didn't count as a legit ID, no matter how logical the argument was. No bar accepts student IDs as a form of identification.

 

So I'd get into this argument 20 times every Tuesday, which was Kellogg night. It was often with the same students every week. They knew I wouldn't accept school IDs, but they still brought them in. And when I'd neg them, they'd actually say stuff like, "I go to Kellogg. In 3 years, I'll be able to buy this bar. And maybe I will, just to fire you." I heard stuff comparable to that ALL THE TIME.

 

Pricks.

 

jesus that sounds awful. see, that's why i always make it a point to get lousy grades. having to hang out with wealthy people all the time would be the worst.

[Guest]

Jon fits every single stereotype mentioned so far.

 

Seth too.

[TruffleShuffle]

How to write an ignorant college football article

 

let's look at a couple of his main points:

 

The most tried and true formula for reaching the BCS championship game is as follows:

 

1. Play an easy nonconference schedule.

 

2. Belong to the Big Ten.

 

uh oh, here we go.

 

Penn State simply is following the plan Ohio State laid out.

 

Forget about scheduling only major opponents in the nonconference the way Southern California does. Sure it’s a challenge for the players, rewards the fans with great games and generally is a lot of fun. But when did that start meaning anything? It just increases the likelihood of being worn out and having a silly lapse in league play.

 

First of all, USC does not schedule only major opponents. this year they did, though virginia was pretty damn bad at the beginning of the year. but last year they played idaho. sometimes they play hawai'i. i don't mean to speak negatively about USC's non-conference schedule, because they do, more than any other prominent team in the country, schedule a rigorous non-conference schedule. but they don't only schedule major opponents.

 

second, is that really what every big ten team does? let's look at ohio st, since penn st is apparently following their lead of playing nobody and making the national championship game. he makes the point that ohio st last year, "beat exactly zero great teams and still made it despite a home November loss." this is true! interestingly enough, he fails to discuss the previous year, when ohio state won on the road at then-#2 texas, and won in their last game of the season against #2 michigan.

 

Penn State’s nonconference opponents are a combined 12-19 on the season. Just seven of those wins came against teams from what used to be called Division I-A.

 

The Big Ten teams on Penn State’s schedule are a combined 34-32.

 

That’s good for a 46-51 record (.474). By comparison, Texas’ likely opponents are 63-40 (.612).

 

conveniently at this point, he stops talking about usc, since usc's conference is even a bigger joke than the big ten this year. and do note that the sagarin ratings have the big ten as the #2 conference in the country, while the incredible sec gauntlet rates at #4.

 

but yes, texas does play a tough schedule. ou, mizzou, okie st, texas tech in order? that's a bear. however, texas' non-conference schedule consisted of florida atlantic, utep, rice and arkansas. that's just as big a joke as penn state's non-conference schedule.

 

Don’t even consider a conference championship game that might result in a loss for a contender. It keeps shooting the Big 12 in the foot, doesn’t it? Why play 13 games when the pollsters don’t punish you for playing only 12?

 

by far the worst argument in the article. you know why there's not a conference championship game? THERE AREN'T 12 TEAMS IN THE BIG 10.

 

The Nittany Lions’ best nonconference win is over Oregon State. This doubles as the best nonconference win for the entire Big Ten. The only other contenders are Michigan State over Notre Dame and Wisconsin over Fresno State. That’s it. For the entire league. The Big Ten failed to defeat a single currently ranked nonconference team.

 

Wow, that's pretty lousy! I would guess that the Big XII and SEC superconferences have a lot of wins over currently-ranked non-conference opponents, right?

 

Big XII: Oklahoma beat TCU at home

SEC:

 

 

really, if you're going to hold the big ten to one standard, then do the same for the other conferences. otherwise you'll write a lousy article like this.

[SouthSideRyan]

It's ok for the SEC cause they have stud teams like Vanderbilt and Auburn. And it's totally acceptable to lose to a garbage team like Ole Miss.

 

You can't expect to run through a gauntlet like that!