Re: NHL season 2008-09

[Cynosure]

crosby must have banged cynosure's ex or current woman....btw, you(cynosure) whine more about crosby whining than crosby whines during games....get over it, it's not going to change...and i may not be speaking for everyone but i'm sick of seeing a new post in the hockey threads and it's you whining about "crosbaby"

 

If I could pull the kind of girls Crosby could, I wouldn't be complaining ;)

[sethuel1]

Crosby kicks ass

[Cynosure]

By the way, Avery is done... Dallas won't take him back.

 

:(

[bukie]

Calculated Power Rankings for the week ending 12/14:

 

1. San Jose

2. Boston

3. Chicago

4. Detroit

5. Vancouver

6. Minnesota

7. New Jersey

8. Pittsburgh

9. Montreal

10. Philadelphia

11. Washington

12. Anaheim

13. NY Rangers

14. Buffalo

15. Los Angeles

16. Edmonton

17. Colorado

18. Calgary

19. Ottawa

20. Phoenix

21. Nashville

22. Florida

23. Columbus

24. St. Louis

25. Toronto

26. Carolina

27. Atlanta

28. Dallas

29. Tampa Bay

30. NY Islanders

 

Numbers...(spoilered for sanity)

 

 

NHL Adjusted Standings
Teams        Conference Division      Games  Points      GF      GA     PPG  PY-PTS    Diff  PY-PPG  PPG-Diff
San Jose     Western    Pacific          29      50     109      68   1.724    46.8     3.2  1.6152     0.109
Boston       Eastern    Northeast        30      46     106      67   1.533    48.1    -2.1  1.6033    -0.070
Chicago      Western    Central          28      37      99      77   1.321    39.1    -2.1  1.3981    -0.077
Detroit      Western    Central          29      44     105      90   1.517    37.5     6.5  1.2935     0.224
Vancouver    Western    Northwest        31      37      94      81   1.194    39.9    -2.9  1.2877    -0.094
Minnesota    Western    Northwest        29      31      76      66   1.069    37.1    -6.1  1.2791    -0.210
New Jersey   Eastern    Atlantic         27      34      84      73   1.259    34.5    -0.5  1.2783    -0.019
Pittsburgh   Eastern    Atlantic         30      36     100      87   1.200    38.3    -2.3  1.2771    -0.077
Montreal     Eastern    Northeast        29      37      85      75   1.276    36.6     0.4  1.2616     0.014
Philadelphia Eastern    Atlantic         29      38     100      89   1.310    36.3     1.7  1.2520     0.058
Washington   Eastern    Southeast        31      39      98      89   1.258    38.1     0.9  1.2296     0.028
Anaheim      Western    Pacific          31      37      90      85   1.194    36.8     0.2  1.1860     0.008
NY Rangers   Eastern    Atlantic         33      42      88      88   1.273    37.0     5.0  1.1219     0.151
Buffalo      Eastern    Northeast        30      33      83      85   1.100    32.9     0.1  1.0952     0.005
Los Angeles  Western    Pacific          29      30      79      81   1.034    31.7    -1.7  1.0939    -0.059
Edmonton     Western    Northwest        28      30      77      80   1.071    30.2    -0.2  1.0790    -0.008
Colorado     Western    Northwest        29      29      81      85   1.000    31.0    -2.0  1.0679    -0.068
Calgary      Western    Northwest        30      35      86      91   1.167    31.8     3.2  1.0586     0.108
Ottawa       Eastern    Northeast        28      27      66      70   0.964    29.6    -2.6  1.0560    -0.092
Phoenix      Western    Pacific          30      31      81      88   1.033    30.9     0.1  1.0291     0.004
Nashville    Western    Central          30      33      82      90   1.100    30.5     2.5  1.0178     0.082
Florida      Eastern    Southeast        30      31      75      83   1.033    30.3     0.7  1.0086     0.025
Columbus     Western    Central          30      29      82      91   0.967    30.2    -1.2  1.0055    -0.039
St. Louis    Western    Central          29      27      84      96   0.931    28.2    -1.2  0.9730    -0.042
Toronto      Eastern    Northeast        29      28      86      99   0.966    28.0     0.0  0.9650     0.001
Carolina     Eastern    Southeast        30      31      78      92   1.033    28.2     2.8  0.9384     0.095
Atlanta      Eastern    Southeast        29      22      84     107   0.759    24.8    -2.8  0.8556    -0.097
Dallas       Western    Pacific          29      26      78     102   0.897    24.0     2.0  0.8279     0.069
Tampa Bay    Eastern    Southeast        30      22      68      95   0.733    22.8    -0.8  0.7602    -0.027
NY Islanders Eastern    Atlantic         30      22      76     110   0.733    21.8     0.2  0.7250     0.008

 

Notes on numbers:

- Obviously, San Jose and Boston are so far ahead of everyone else right now, it's ridiculous.

- Strangely enough, Chicago is a clear 3rd, as there's a clear enough efficiency gap between them and the 4th team (Detroit) as there is between Detroit and Anaheim (12th).

- Minnesota is vastly underperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot more points than they do), while Detroit is vastly overperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot fewer points than they do).

- To be fair, winning is really all that matters whether it's by one goal, 5 goals, or shootout. Maybe a better true approximation of talent would be some kind of midway point between effiency (PY-PPG) and results (PPG).

 

[sneakypower]

- Minnesota is vastly underperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot more points than they do), while Detroit is vastly overperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot fewer points than they do).

i understand where you're coming from with these statements, but Detroit is freakishly potent with a pulled goalie. the other night Phoenix outplayed them the entire game, until 1:30 left where Michalek stupidly puts the puck over the boards in the neutral zone and draws a minor. and predictably, Hossa sets up Franzen for the tie and Hank undresses Bryzgalov for the shootout W. not that this anecdote alone means much, but they did essentially the same thing in the Hawks and Kings games, among others i'm forgetting atm.

 

they could be outscoring teams by a wider margin but it really looks like they're coasting right now.

[NewUserName]

Detroit has also been getting some bad goaltending. Without looking it up, I would be willing to bet that they are much better than Chicago in shots/shots allowed per game.

 

Also everyone gets up to play the Wings, I dont think Chicago is getting that kind of intensity level from most of their non-divisional games.

[Drew Doughty]

- Minnesota is vastly underperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot more points than they do), while Detroit is vastly overperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot fewer points than they do).

i understand where you're coming from with these statements, but Detroit is freakishly potent with a pulled goalie. the other night Phoenix outplayed them the entire game, until 1:30 left where Michalek stupidly puts the puck over the boards in the neutral zone and draws a minor. and predictably, Hossa sets up Franzen for the tie and Hank undresses Bryzgalov for the shootout W. not that this anecdote alone means much, but they did essentially the same thing in the Hawks and Kings games, among others i'm forgetting atm.

 

they could be outscoring teams by a wider margin but it really looks like they're coasting right now.

 

i still hate denis gauthier. a lot. not for that specifically, but he makes crappy decisions like that all the time.

[Drew Doughty]

Detroit has also been getting some bad goaltending. Without looking it up, I would be willing to bet that they are much better than Chicago in shots/shots allowed per game.

 

Detroit is 1st in S/G and 3rd in SA/G (behind San Jose and Los Angeles). Chicago is 10th and 18th.

[sneakypower]

- Minnesota is vastly underperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot more points than they do), while Detroit is vastly overperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot fewer points than they do).

i understand where you're coming from with these statements, but Detroit is freakishly potent with a pulled goalie. the other night Phoenix outplayed them the entire game, until 1:30 left where Michalek stupidly puts the puck over the boards in the neutral zone and draws a minor. and predictably, Hossa sets up Franzen for the tie and Hank undresses Bryzgalov for the shootout W. not that this anecdote alone means much, but they did essentially the same thing in the Hawks and Kings games, among others i'm forgetting atm.

 

they could be outscoring teams by a wider margin but it really looks like they're coasting right now.

 

i still hate denis gauthier. a lot. not for that specifically, but he makes crappy decisions like that all the time.

maybe Murray instructed Gauthier to throw the game like that to show his appreciation to Det for Kyle Quincey

[bukie]

Detroit has also been getting some bad goaltending. Without looking it up, I would be willing to bet that they are much better than Chicago in shots/shots allowed per game.

 

Detroit is 1st in S/G and 3rd in SA/G (behind San Jose and Los Angeles). Chicago is 10th and 18th.

Is there a place that has S/SA (or, even better, SOG/SAOG) listed for all teams on the same page?

[bukie]

- Minnesota is vastly underperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot more points than they do), while Detroit is vastly overperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot fewer points than they do).

i understand where you're coming from with these statements, but Detroit is freakishly potent with a pulled goalie. the other night Phoenix outplayed them the entire game, until 1:30 left where Michalek stupidly puts the puck over the boards in the neutral zone and draws a minor. and predictably, Hossa sets up Franzen for the tie and Hank undresses Bryzgalov for the shootout W. not that this anecdote alone means much, but they did essentially the same thing in the Hawks and Kings games, among others i'm forgetting atm.

 

they could be outscoring teams by a wider margin but it really looks like they're coasting right now.

I didn't intend that statement to suggest that Detroit isn't good (I mean, even with their efficiency underperforming, they still have the 4th best efficiency), but I can see how it could be construed that way. If I had better information on shots/shots on goal for each team, I could probably run those as sort of a second-order pythag using shots. I just noticed that Detroit and Minnesota were freakish outliers in terms of difference between win production and goal production. In a league where all but 4 teams are between -0.1 and 0.1 in pythagorean difference, Detroit was over .2 and Minny was under -.2.

[Drew Doughty]

- Minnesota is vastly underperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot more points than they do), while Detroit is vastly overperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot fewer points than they do).

i understand where you're coming from with these statements, but Detroit is freakishly potent with a pulled goalie. the other night Phoenix outplayed them the entire game, until 1:30 left where Michalek stupidly puts the puck over the boards in the neutral zone and draws a minor. and predictably, Hossa sets up Franzen for the tie and Hank undresses Bryzgalov for the shootout W. not that this anecdote alone means much, but they did essentially the same thing in the Hawks and Kings games, among others i'm forgetting atm.

 

they could be outscoring teams by a wider margin but it really looks like they're coasting right now.

 

i still hate denis gauthier. a lot. not for that specifically, but he makes crappy decisions like that all the time.

maybe Murray instructed Gauthier to throw the game like that to show his appreciation to Det for Kyle Quincey

 

seems plausible.

 

btw Quincey is way cool. every time he shoots the puck good things happen. i doubt he would've seen the success he's having with the Kings if he were still with Detroit, but it makes you wonder what they see in guys like Lilja or Lebda or even Stuart over him. Stuart is so inconsistent, i was really surprised that he got a contract from Detroit in the summer with all of the depth they have. i wonder if Lombardi would've claimed Quincey if Johnson didn't get hurt.

[NewUserName]

- Minnesota is vastly underperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot more points than they do), while Detroit is vastly overperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot fewer points than they do).

i understand where you're coming from with these statements, but Detroit is freakishly potent with a pulled goalie. the other night Phoenix outplayed them the entire game, until 1:30 left where Michalek stupidly puts the puck over the boards in the neutral zone and draws a minor. and predictably, Hossa sets up Franzen for the tie and Hank undresses Bryzgalov for the shootout W. not that this anecdote alone means much, but they did essentially the same thing in the Hawks and Kings games, among others i'm forgetting atm.

 

they could be outscoring teams by a wider margin but it really looks like they're coasting right now.

 

i still hate denis gauthier. a lot. not for that specifically, but he makes crappy decisions like that all the time.

maybe Murray instructed Gauthier to throw the game like that to show his appreciation to Det for Kyle Quincey

 

seems plausible.

 

btw Quincey is way cool. every time he shoots the puck good things happen. i doubt he would've seen the success he's having with the Kings if he were still with Detroit, but it makes you wonder what they see in guys like Lilja or Lebda or even Stuart over him. Stuart is so inconsistent, i was really surprised that he got a contract from Detroit in the summer with all of the depth they have. i wonder if Lombardi would've claimed Quincey if Johnson didn't get hurt.

 

I understood re-signing Stuart, it was Lilja that I questioned. I have never figured out what anyone sees in Lebda and think he would be better served being converted to a forward. The Wings were forced into trading Quincey because he would have had to clear waivers to go back to Grand Rapids.

[Drew Doughty]

- Minnesota is vastly underperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot more points than they do), while Detroit is vastly overperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot fewer points than they do).

i understand where you're coming from with these statements, but Detroit is freakishly potent with a pulled goalie. the other night Phoenix outplayed them the entire game, until 1:30 left where Michalek stupidly puts the puck over the boards in the neutral zone and draws a minor. and predictably, Hossa sets up Franzen for the tie and Hank undresses Bryzgalov for the shootout W. not that this anecdote alone means much, but they did essentially the same thing in the Hawks and Kings games, among others i'm forgetting atm.

 

they could be outscoring teams by a wider margin but it really looks like they're coasting right now.

 

i still hate denis gauthier. a lot. not for that specifically, but he makes crappy decisions like that all the time.

maybe Murray instructed Gauthier to throw the game like that to show his appreciation to Det for Kyle Quincey

 

seems plausible.

 

btw Quincey is way cool. every time he shoots the puck good things happen. i doubt he would've seen the success he's having with the Kings if he were still with Detroit, but it makes you wonder what they see in guys like Lilja or Lebda or even Stuart over him. Stuart is so inconsistent, i was really surprised that he got a contract from Detroit in the summer with all of the depth they have. i wonder if Lombardi would've claimed Quincey if Johnson didn't get hurt.

 

I understood re-signing Stuart, it was Lilja that I questioned. I have never figured out what anyone sees in Lebda and think he would be better served being converted to a forward. The Wings were forced into trading Quincey because he would have had to clear waivers to go back to Grand Rapids.

 

they didn't trade him, they put him on waivers.

[Post Count Padder]

I haven't posted in this thread in awhile, so...

 

Go Devils, Crosby sucks, Avery should be b& forever. Or run over by a bus.

[NewUserName]

- Minnesota is vastly underperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot more points than they do), while Detroit is vastly overperforming its efficiency (meaning they should have a lot fewer points than they do).

i understand where you're coming from with these statements, but Detroit is freakishly potent with a pulled goalie. the other night Phoenix outplayed them the entire game, until 1:30 left where Michalek stupidly puts the puck over the boards in the neutral zone and draws a minor. and predictably, Hossa sets up Franzen for the tie and Hank undresses Bryzgalov for the shootout W. not that this anecdote alone means much, but they did essentially the same thing in the Hawks and Kings games, among others i'm forgetting atm.

 

they could be outscoring teams by a wider margin but it really looks like they're coasting right now.

 

i still hate denis gauthier. a lot. not for that specifically, but he makes crappy decisions like that all the time.

maybe Murray instructed Gauthier to throw the game like that to show his appreciation to Det for Kyle Quincey

 

seems plausible.

 

btw Quincey is way cool. every time he shoots the puck good things happen. i doubt he would've seen the success he's having with the Kings if he were still with Detroit, but it makes you wonder what they see in guys like Lilja or Lebda or even Stuart over him. Stuart is so inconsistent, i was really surprised that he got a contract from Detroit in the summer with all of the depth they have. i wonder if Lombardi would've claimed Quincey if Johnson didn't get hurt.

 

I understood re-signing Stuart, it was Lilja that I questioned. I have never figured out what anyone sees in Lebda and think he would be better served being converted to a forward. The Wings were forced into trading Quincey because he would have had to clear waivers to go back to Grand Rapids.

 

they didn't trade him, they put him on waivers.

 

that to:)...I knew they were trying to trade him because they would have had to put him on waivers...For some reason I just assumed they picked up a 8th round pick or something for him.

[NewUserName]

I haven't posted in this thread in awhile, so...

 

Go Devils, Crosby sucks, Avery should be b& forever. Or run over by a bus.

 

Why should Avery be banned forever? He shouldnt have even been suspended. Of course Dallas should have never signed him to that ridiculous contract either.

[Post Count Padder]

I haven't posted in this thread in awhile, so...

 

Go Devils, Crosby sucks, Avery should be b& forever. Or run over by a bus.

 

Why should Avery be banned forever? He shouldnt have even been suspended. Of course Dallas should have never signed him to that ridiculous contract either.

I'm a hater.

[NewUserName]

I haven't posted in this thread in awhile, so...

 

Go Devils, Crosby sucks, Avery should be b& forever. Or run over by a bus.

 

Why should Avery be banned forever? He shouldnt have even been suspended. Of course Dallas should have never signed him to that ridiculous contract either.

I'm a hater.

good enough

[rchap24]

I haven't posted in this thread in awhile, so...

 

Go Devils, Crosby sucks, Avery should be b& forever. Or run over by a bus.

 

Why should Avery be banned forever? He shouldnt have even been suspended. Of course Dallas should have never signed him to that ridiculous contract either.

 

He said that another player was taking his sloppy seconds...This is the most ridiculous suspension ever

[sneakypower]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

[Drew Doughty]

I haven't posted in this thread in awhile, so...

 

Go Devils, Crosby sucks, Avery should be b& forever. Or run over by a bus.

 

Why should Avery be banned forever? He shouldnt have even been suspended. Of course Dallas should have never signed him to that ridiculous contract either.

 

He said that another player was taking his sloppy seconds...This is the most ridiculous suspension ever

 

no, it's really not. as much as initially i thought it was a crappy suspension, for a guy with his history it makes perfect sense. he sought out the media to say stupid garbage and he got in trouble for it. if anyone had a job with access/an obligation to talk to the media, and you sought them out to say that, you'd at the very least be suspended. possibly more. given his history, the suspension ultimately makes sense.

[rchap24]

I haven't posted in this thread in awhile, so...

 

Go Devils, Crosby sucks, Avery should be b& forever. Or run over by a bus.

 

Why should Avery be banned forever? He shouldnt have even been suspended. Of course Dallas should have never signed him to that ridiculous contract either.

 

He said that another player was taking his sloppy seconds...This is the most ridiculous suspension ever

 

no, it's really not. as much as initially i thought it was a crappy suspension, for a guy with his history it makes perfect sense. he sought out the media to say stupid garbage and he got in trouble for it. if anyone had a job with access/an obligation to talk to the media, and you sought them out to say that, you'd at the very least be suspended. possibly more. given his history, the suspension ultimately makes sense.

 

I guess you could suspend him, but they are making entirely to big of a deal of it for sure....

[Drew Doughty]

I haven't posted in this thread in awhile, so...

 

Go Devils, Crosby sucks, Avery should be b& forever. Or run over by a bus.

 

Why should Avery be banned forever? He shouldnt have even been suspended. Of course Dallas should have never signed him to that ridiculous contract either.

 

He said that another player was taking his sloppy seconds...This is the most ridiculous suspension ever

 

no, it's really not. as much as initially i thought it was a crappy suspension, for a guy with his history it makes perfect sense. he sought out the media to say stupid garbage and he got in trouble for it. if anyone had a job with access/an obligation to talk to the media, and you sought them out to say that, you'd at the very least be suspended. possibly more. given his history, the suspension ultimately makes sense.

 

I guess you could suspend him, but they are making entirely to big of a deal of it for sure....

 

not really.

[sethuel1]

I'd pick him up for cheap for the stretch run, as long as he'd had lots of counseling in the interim.