Bobby Abreu anyone?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Had forgotten I put my pic in that thread 6 months ago still see absolutely no reason why it was posted in this thread.

 

It was 3 weeks ago. Link

[fromthestretch]

Fontenot is like Theriot to me (with a bit more power). He could hit .300 but isn't going to get much of anything else. He is the ultimate backup infielder. He's versatile and able to start 50 games a year very effectively but if he has to start 150 he will wear down and not be near as good. I support Theriot because he is the best we have but am well aware there are plenty better shortstops out there. I support Fontenot as well but I'm not blind enough to say he is equal to Bobby Abreu. If you can upgrade then upgrade.

 

How can you be certain that Fontenot is going to wear down significantly throughout the course of a season if he is starting? The "ultimate backup infielder"? If given a shot to start everyday, he could probably put up a few Todd Walker-type seasons. If Fontenot could put up a line of .290/.369/.457 over the course of 500 plate appearances or so would that really be a bad thing (those are his career rate stats, btw)? Fontenot showed more power in the minors than Theriot did. Not necessarily home run power, but he will get extra base hits. It makes no sense to think he'll hit .300 and get nothing else.

[SouthSideRyan]

if we're so sure Fontenot's a true 900 ops player then we oughta SELLSELLSELL high on Derosa this offseason

 

im certain hes an 800 ops guy who can reach 850 in a good year.

 

Yup. I see no point whatsoever in getting Abreu when Fontenot oculd likely match or surpass the production Abreu would give us next year.

 

Had forgotten I put my pic in that thread 6 months ago still see absolutely no reason why it was posted in this thread.

 

And saying Fontenot is likely to match Abreu's production is laughable. Fontenot is a good player but he isn't a Bobby Abreu (a guy who OPS's .850-900 and steals 20 bases). Fontenot is like Theriot to me (with a bit more power). He could hit .300 but isn't going to get much of anything else. He is the ultimate backup infielder. He's versatile and able to start 50 games a year very effectively but if he has to start 150 he will wear down and not be near as good. I support Theriot because he is the best we have but am well aware there are plenty better shortstops out there. I support Fontenot as well but I'm not blind enough to say he is equal to Bobby Abreu. If you can upgrade then upgrade.

 

Abreu hasn't OPSed 850 since '06. He hasn't OPSed 900 'since '04. Abreu can hit lefties okay, that's about all I'd put emphatically on his side of the ledger against Fontenot.

[wekse]

Had forgotten I put my pic in that thread 6 months ago still see absolutely no reason why it was posted in this thread.

 

It was 3 weeks ago. Link

 

seriously cubbiebum, you can't see why i posted the pic?

[imb]

Had forgotten I put my pic in that thread 6 months ago still see absolutely no reason why it was posted in this thread.

 

It was 3 weeks ago. Link

 

lolllllllllllll

[CubbieBum]

Had forgotten I put my pic in that thread 6 months ago still see absolutely no reason why it was posted in this thread.

 

It was 3 weeks ago. Link

 

seriously cubbiebum, you can't see why i posted the pic?

 

no I don't see how a pic of me has anything to do with an Abreu-Fontenot argument

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And saying Fontenot is likely to match Abreu's production is laughable. Fontenot is a good player but he isn't a Bobby Abreu (a guy who OPS's .850-900 and steals 20 bases). Fontenot is like Theriot to me (with a bit more power). He could hit .300 but isn't going to get much of anything else. He is the ultimate backup infielder. He's versatile and able to start 50 games a year very effectively but if he has to start 150 he will wear down and not be near as good. I support Theriot because he is the best we have but am well aware there are plenty better shortstops out there. I support Fontenot as well but I'm not blind enough to say he is equal to Bobby Abreu. If you can upgrade then upgrade.

 

Wow you are very misinformed.

 

First of all, Abreu is OPS's .850-.900? You know it's 2008, right?

 

Abreu 07- .814

Abreu 08- .843

 

Hmm. So you're assuming that at age 35 Abreu is suddenly going to become better instead of continuing his steady decline?

 

Oh, and yeah he stole 20 bases the last 2 seasons, but they were Ryan Theriot totals. He was caught 11 times in 33 attempts last season. That is not helping the team, it's hurting the team, badly. I'm not sure why you're hyping his stolen bases when his success rates have gone down so dramatically and are likely to continue at age 35.

 

Also, the Fontenot/Theriot comparison is just ridiculous. Other than the fact that they're both short, white, and have names ending in "ot" they are nothing alike. It's like comparing Juan Pierre to Dustin Pedroia. Theriot is a slap hitter who hits singles. Fontenot drives the ball to all field. He can hit bombs to all fields. Can you imagine Theriot going opposite field over the outfielders head? Saying that Fontenot is a singles hitter like Theriot makes me wonder if you hate Fontenot for some reason, because it's simply not true.

 

I support Fontenot as well but I'm not blind enough to say he is equal to Bobby Abreu.

 

Again-

 

Abreu 07- .814

Abreu 08- .843

Fontenot career- .826

 

And where is this "he will wear down over 150 games" stuff coming from? Did you just make that up? It sound like it. Explain to me why you've come to that conclusion.

[CubbieBum]

And saying Fontenot is likely to match Abreu's production is laughable. Fontenot is a good player but he isn't a Bobby Abreu (a guy who OPS's .850-900 and steals 20 bases). Fontenot is like Theriot to me (with a bit more power). He could hit .300 but isn't going to get much of anything else. He is the ultimate backup infielder. He's versatile and able to start 50 games a year very effectively but if he has to start 150 he will wear down and not be near as good. I support Theriot because he is the best we have but am well aware there are plenty better shortstops out there. I support Fontenot as well but I'm not blind enough to say he is equal to Bobby Abreu. If you can upgrade then upgrade.

 

Wow you are very misinformed.

 

First of all, Abreu is OPS's .850-.900? You know it's 2008, right?

 

Abreu 07- .814

Abreu 08- .843

 

Hmm. So you're assuming that at age 35 Abreu is suddenly going to become better instead of continuing his steady decline?

 

Oh, and yeah he stole 20 bases the last 2 seasons, but they were Ryan Theriot totals. He was caught 11 times in 33 attempts last season. That is not helping the team, it's hurting the team, badly. I'm not sure why you're hyping his stolen bases when his success rates have gone down so dramatically and are likely to continue at age 35.

 

Also, the Fontenot/Theriot comparison is just ridiculous. Other than the fact that they're both short, white, and have names ending in "ot" they are nothing alike. It's like comparing Juan Pierre to Dustin Pedroia. Theriot is a slap hitter who hits singles. Fontenot drives the ball to all field. He can hit bombs to all fields. Can you imagine Theriot going opposite field over the outfielders head? Saying that Fontenot is a singles hitter like Theriot makes me wonder if you hate Fontenot for some reason, because it's simply not true.

 

I support Fontenot as well but I'm not blind enough to say he is equal to Bobby Abreu.

 

Again-

 

Abreu 07- .814

Abreu 08- .843

Fontenot career- .826

 

And where is this "he will wear down over 150 games" stuff coming from? Did you just make that up? It sound like it. Explain to me why you've come to that conclusion.

 

It comes from his minor league stats (when he was a fulltime starter) he had worse career numbers than his major league numbers. He was a .800 OPS guy in the minors for the most part players do worse in the majors than they do in the minors when playing the same role. That would mean he is a .750-.800 OPS major league guy. Which like I said is good and more than satisfactory but when we can get an upgrade during the offseason then we should get it.

 

I like Fontenot plenty. Not my favorite player on the team but have nothing against him.