What happens to Brewers if...

[Ski]

If the Brewers aren't a threat this year, could the NL Central turn into the AL West? That'd be kinda nice, if not boring.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think if the Brewers miss the playoffs, Ned will be canned.

[Illini Iceman]

Who wants to trade a top tier pitcher for a lardass .831 OPS 1st baseman? I don't see a fit for the Brewers getting good value back for Fielder. Look at who needs a 1b and who has a good pitcher to give up. Maybe the fits are there, but I'm not seeing them.

 

braves

angels

yanks

giants

rangers

 

I don't think that the Yankees or Rangers have any starting pitching they could afford to trade away. Both would seem to more be in market for pitching help in the offseason than a one dimensional power hitter.

[Old Style]

Who wants to trade a top tier pitcher for a lardass .831 OPS 1st baseman? I don't see a fit for the Brewers getting good value back for Fielder. Look at who needs a 1b and who has a good pitcher to give up. Maybe the fits are there, but I'm not seeing them.

 

braves

angels

yanks

giants

rangers

 

I don't think that the Yankees or Rangers have any starting pitching they could afford to trade away. Both would seem to more be in market for pitching help in the offseason than a one dimensional power hitter.

I don't see how the Rangers can be included in that group. They are desparate for pitching.

[shnsajax]

I think if the Brewers miss the playoffs, Ned will be canned.

 

This is a fear of mine. Cub fans need to create keepnedyost.com

[Guest]

I think if the Brewers miss the playoffs, Ned will be canned.

 

This is a fear of mine. Cub fans need to create keepnedyost.com

 

I doubt it matters. If the Brewers miss the playoffs, I'd be shocked if Yost comes back next year.

[Jehrico]

Oh and Yost is totally gone if they miss the playoffs. The fans will riot otherwise.

The key to avoiding a complete turn by the fans in a situation like this is to find a scapegoat and crucify him. Yost is the obvious lightning rod. He'll get fired, everyone will blame the collapse on him. They'll rationalize it by pointing to what happened to the Mets in '07, and how they turned it around in '08 once Randolph was fired. What the Mets have done this year after replacing the manager will give Brewer fans hope for '09 once Yost is run out of town.

[nilodnayr]

Who wants to trade a top tier pitcher for a lardass .831 OPS 1st baseman? I don't see a fit for the Brewers getting good value back for Fielder. Look at who needs a 1b and who has a good pitcher to give up. Maybe the fits are there, but I'm not seeing them.

 

braves

angels

yanks

giants

rangers

 

I don't think that the Yankees or Rangers have any starting pitching they could afford to trade away. Both would seem to more be in market for pitching help in the offseason than a one dimensional power hitter.

I don't see how the Rangers can be included in that group. They are desparate for pitching.

 

FYI, they have one of the best farm systems.

[Soul]

Oh and Yost is totally gone if they miss the playoffs. The fans will riot otherwise.

The key to avoiding a complete turn by the fans in a situation like this is to find a scapegoat and crucify him. Yost is the obvious lightning rod. He'll get fired, everyone will blame the collapse on him. They'll rationalize it by pointing to what happened to the Mets in '07, and how they turned it around in '08 once Randolph was fired. What the Mets have done this year after replacing the manager will give Brewer fans hope for '09 once Yost is run out of town.

I'm not sure all of it would be rationalization...

[nilodnayr]

If the Brewers aren't a threat this year, could the NL Central turn into the AL West? That'd be kinda nice, if not boring.

 

I submit to you, one, Albert F. Pujols.

[CubinNY]

If the Brewers aren't a threat this year, could the NL Central turn into the AL West? That'd be kinda nice, if not boring.

 

I submit to you, one, Albert F. Pujols.

Yep. As long as he can still swing the bat they are a contender in the Central. He's that good.

[Gmoney08]

Brewers have now lost the first 3 of this 4 game set with the Phils and their wildcard lead is down to 1! Id seriously consider moving CC up to pitch the second game of this DH if I were the Brewcrew. This is a huge game for them. IIRC they have 6 more games against the Cubbies and play the Phillies 3 more games too. Not an easy schedule for them.. I'd love to see them finish this collapse and have the Cubs knock them out at the end of the season.

[XZero771679666304]

When I started this thread really didn't think there was much chance of the Brewers not making the playoffs, but after watching all three games they have played in Philly, I think they are in serious trouble.

 

I think it is a near lock they are tied for the WC after tonight, and if they lose 2 of 3 or get swept by the Cubs, I don't know that they can make it.

 

And I thought the Cubs were playing poorly.

[B]

If the Brewers aren't a threat this year, could the NL Central turn into the AL West? That'd be kinda nice, if not boring.

 

I submit to you, one, Albert F. Pujols.

4th place.

[champaignchris]

They'll rationalize it by pointing to what happened to the Mets in '07, and how they turned it around in '08 once Randolph was fired. What the Mets have done this year after replacing the manager will give Brewer fans hope for '09 once Yost is run out of town.

 

The big difference being that where the Mets added Santana, the Brewers will be losing Sheets and Sabathia.

[nilodnayr]

If the Brewers aren't a threat this year, could the NL Central turn into the AL West? That'd be kinda nice, if not boring.

 

I submit to you, one, Albert F. Pujols.

4th place.

78-71 after losing 5 in a row...

[XZero771679666304]

I think if the Brewers miss the playoffs, Ned will be canned.

 

 

The truly tragic thing for Brewers fans is that they could have played the fourth game of the Philly series on Monday. If they had, Sabathia would have gone, and the Brewers would likely still be 2 games up right now.

 

But due to Ned, they decided to save CC for the Cubs series, and are now tied with Philly, who has by far the easier schedule from here on out.

 

So in an attempt to catch the Cubs (which wasn't going to happen anyway), Yost may well have cost the Brewers the WC. Now if the Cubs sweep or take 2 of 3 from the Crew with Philly headed to Atlanta, Milwaukee's season may be all but over.

 

Well done.

[fromthestretch]

Who wants to trade a top tier pitcher for a lardass .831 OPS 1st baseman? I don't see a fit for the Brewers getting good value back for Fielder. Look at who needs a 1b and who has a good pitcher to give up. Maybe the fits are there, but I'm not seeing them.

 

braves

angels

yanks

giants

rangers

 

I don't think that the Yankees or Rangers have any starting pitching they could afford to trade away. Both would seem to more be in market for pitching help in the offseason than a one dimensional power hitter.

I don't see how the Rangers can be included in that group. They are desparate for pitching.

 

FYI, they have one of the best farm systems.

 

They also have a 22-year old, left-handed hitting corner infielder in Chris Davis they could plug in at 1B regularly next year if they don't decide to use him at 3B. Not sure what Blalock's contract situation is, but he's an option for 1B, as well. I can't see them giving up much, if anything, for Prince Fielder. If they're going to use prospects in trades, it will be for pitching.

[nilodnayr]

Who wants to trade a top tier pitcher for a lardass .831 OPS 1st baseman? I don't see a fit for the Brewers getting good value back for Fielder. Look at who needs a 1b and who has a good pitcher to give up. Maybe the fits are there, but I'm not seeing them.

 

braves

angels

yanks

giants

rangers

 

I don't think that the Yankees or Rangers have any starting pitching they could afford to trade away. Both would seem to more be in market for pitching help in the offseason than a one dimensional power hitter.

I don't see how the Rangers can be included in that group. They are desparate for pitching.

 

FYI, they have one of the best farm systems.

 

They also have a 22-year old, left-handed hitting corner infielder in Chris Davis they could plug in at 1B regularly next year if they don't decide to use him at 3B. Not sure what Blalock's contract situation is, but he's an option for 1B, as well. I can't see them giving up much, if anything, for Prince Fielder. If they're going to use prospects in trades, it will be for pitching.

 

Davis can play third, first, and DH all at the same time?!?!?!? Listen, I didn't say that the Rangers absolutely should trade for Prince, what I said is they could be a possibility.

[fromthestretch]

Who wants to trade a top tier pitcher for a lardass .831 OPS 1st baseman? I don't see a fit for the Brewers getting good value back for Fielder. Look at who needs a 1b and who has a good pitcher to give up. Maybe the fits are there, but I'm not seeing them.

 

braves

angels

yanks

giants

rangers

 

I don't think that the Yankees or Rangers have any starting pitching they could afford to trade away. Both would seem to more be in market for pitching help in the offseason than a one dimensional power hitter.

I don't see how the Rangers can be included in that group. They are desparate for pitching.

 

FYI, they have one of the best farm systems.

 

They also have a 22-year old, left-handed hitting corner infielder in Chris Davis they could plug in at 1B regularly next year if they don't decide to use him at 3B. Not sure what Blalock's contract situation is, but he's an option for 1B, as well. I can't see them giving up much, if anything, for Prince Fielder. If they're going to use prospects in trades, it will be for pitching.

 

Davis can play third, first, and DH all at the same time?!?!?!? Listen, I didn't say that the Rangers absolutely should trade for Prince, what I said is they could be a possibility.

 

Wow. Lighten up, man. I didn't say he would play all those at once, nor did I even imply it. What I'm saying is they already have options at first base for 2009. When you factor in the dismal state of their pitching staff, it would make sense that they would aggressively seek out pitching for next year. Offense is the least of their worries. Does that mean they won't go after Fielder? Of course not, GMs have done dumber things than that. However, their resources would be best utilized going after pitching.

 

I would probably take the Braves off the list, too, since they went out and got Kotchman already. Fielder's a better player, but Kotchman was a big part of the Teixeira deal. My guess is that they'll give him a full season at least.

[Soul]

So what happens to the Brewers if they go to Philadelphia and get swept while the Cubs win like 3 in a row?

 

Wouldn't that be great?

[nilodnayr]

Who wants to trade a top tier pitcher for a lardass .831 OPS 1st baseman? I don't see a fit for the Brewers getting good value back for Fielder. Look at who needs a 1b and who has a good pitcher to give up. Maybe the fits are there, but I'm not seeing them.

 

braves

angels

yanks

giants

rangers

 

I don't think that the Yankees or Rangers have any starting pitching they could afford to trade away. Both would seem to more be in market for pitching help in the offseason than a one dimensional power hitter.

I don't see how the Rangers can be included in that group. They are desparate for pitching.

 

FYI, they have one of the best farm systems.

 

They also have a 22-year old, left-handed hitting corner infielder in Chris Davis they could plug in at 1B regularly next year if they don't decide to use him at 3B. Not sure what Blalock's contract situation is, but he's an option for 1B, as well. I can't see them giving up much, if anything, for Prince Fielder. If they're going to use prospects in trades, it will be for pitching.

 

Davis can play third, first, and DH all at the same time?!?!?!? Listen, I didn't say that the Rangers absolutely should trade for Prince, what I said is they could be a possibility.

 

Wow. Lighten up, man. I didn't say he would play all those at once, nor did I even imply it. What I'm saying is they already have options at first base for 2009. When you factor in the dismal state of their pitching staff, it would make sense that they would aggressively seek out pitching for next year. Offense is the least of their worries. Does that mean they won't go after Fielder? Of course not, GMs have done dumber things than that. However, their resources would be best utilized going after pitching.

 

I would probably take the Braves off the list, too, since they went out and got Kotchman already. Fielder's a better player, but Kotchman was a big part of the Teixeira deal. My guess is that they'll give him a full season at least.

 

I love it when people say "lighten up" on message boards. Like you picture me sitting here slamming my keyboard into my desk, screaming that you just don't get where I'm coming from. Was it the "?!?!?!?" that pushed it over the edge?

 

You implied that they had no use for Prince Fielder because of Chris Davis. But what you apparently fail to realize is that Hank Blalock is no lock to return with his 6.2M club option and poor health, similarly Milton Bradley is no lock to be resigned. That leaves multiple open positions (1B and DH) for Prince even taking Chris Davis into consideration. Yes, a bigger concern for them should be pitching rather than hitting, but that will all depend on how they view the pitching FA market vs trade market. Additionally, given their catching situation and minor league surplus, they have the chips to get both Prince and upgrade their staff.

 

And its only a month, but Kotchman's 597 OPS probably isn't going to inspire a lot of hope for the Braves.

[C.C.]

I think if the Brewers miss the playoffs, Ned will be canned.

 

 

The truly tragic thing for Brewers fans is that they could have played the fourth game of the Philly series on Monday. If they had, Sabathia would have gone, and the Brewers would likely still be 2 games up right now.

 

But due to Ned, they decided to save CC for the Cubs series, and are now tied with Philly, who has by far the easier schedule from here on out.

 

So in an attempt to catch the Cubs (which wasn't going to happen anyway), Yost may well have cost the Brewers the WC. Now if the Cubs sweep or take 2 of 3 from the Crew with Philly headed to Atlanta, Milwaukee's season may be all but over.

 

Well done.

 

 

Wow. Ned's stupid. He should've had CC pitch the first game of the Philly series. If CC gets that first win, the series could've been different. Instead of taking a realistic view of the big picture they are hell bent on passing the Cubs. Now they are screwed and may not even make the playoffs. What a disaster.

[Ball And Glove]

Oh and Yost is totally gone if they miss the playoffs. The fans will riot otherwise.

The key to avoiding a complete turn by the fans in a situation like this is to find a scapegoat and crucify him. Yost is the obvious lightning rod. He'll get fired, everyone will blame the collapse on him. They'll rationalize it by pointing to what happened to the Mets in '07, and how they turned it around in '08 once Randolph was fired. What the Mets have done this year after replacing the manager will give Brewer fans hope for '09 once Yost is run out of town.

 

While duplicating the results is unlikely, the two situations do mirror themselves pretty well. Last year's collapse was so bad that Doug Melvin intentionally neglected to tell the media that he had extended Yost's contract through 2009 after the season ended (the story came out in Spring Training in a kind of "Oh yeah, I almost forgot..." comment) because he knew he'd be crucified if they made that announcement right away. Coming into this season, most people seemed to realize that if this team had two glaring weaknesses, it was the bullpen and a manager who doesn't know how to use bullpens effectively (that was a big knock on Randolph as well). In May, both teams were struggling horribly. Randolph's team didn't bounce back and he was fired. The Brewers responded to slipping into last place for a few days by reeling off a strong finish before the All-Star Break, saving Ned's job for the rest of the season.

 

While firing Yost seems to be the quick fix (well, that and guessing correctly which relievers are going to be good and which are going to be crap), there distinct possibility remains that the end up hiring someone even more incompetent than Yost. Milwaukee is never going to be a hot destination for big-name managers. They're going to have to rely on guys who were disgraced elsewhere, guys who are holding on way too long, or guys who have never managed before (promoting guys from the minors or hiring other team' coaches like they did with Yost). For a long time, that's why I was so hesitant to jump on the "Fire Ned!" bandwagon -- most of the time he seemed like an average manager, and most of the hate was coming from people who were just sick of seeing the guy in the dugout after 5 to 6 years. Potentially presiding over two late-season collapses should be enough to get the guy fired, though. I'm just terrified of them hiring Buck Showalter or something.

[UK1679666180]

That'd be the issue right there as far as whether or not to go thru the revolving door of managers or go for the best future manager ala what they tried to do with Yost.

 

IMO, the best avail. manager out there is Matt Walbeck.