I realize it is a total long shot but..

[carolinacubbie]

Z for MVP??

 

He gets something like four or five starts the rest of the season. Say he ended the year with a record of 16-5 with an ERA right about 3.00. Lets just say he finds a way to hit two more home runs this year, and finishes the year hitting around .365 with 6 home runs. Those are just crazy good numbers all around. He fields his position fairly well too. I know he has no chance to win the MVP, but could he possibly finish with the most votes for Cubs players? Put it this way, he probably has a better chance to win the MVP than he does Cy Young.

Edited August 21, 2008 by carolinacubbie

[Clem Fandango]

Most Youngiest Player? He's too old for that

[TruffleShuffle]

a starting pitcher should only be considered for the MVP if he is overwhelmingly good, IMO. and Z hasn't even been the best starter on his team, let alone the entire league.

[carolinacubbie]

a starting pitcher should only be considered for the MVP if he is overwhelmingly good, IMO. and Z hasn't even been the best starter on his team, let alone the entire league.

 

How many starting hitters hit .366 let alone pitchers?

[UMFan83]

a starting pitcher should only be considered for the MVP if he is overwhelmingly good, IMO. and Z hasn't even been the best starter on his team, let alone the entire league.

 

How many starting hitters hit .366 let alone pitchers?

 

How much more valuable does 70 ABs make Zambrano than say Dempster?

[David]

Oh, god... let's not do this again.

 

We all know better.

[OleMissCub]

You better be having a Sandy Koufax type year if you want to win an MVP as a pitcher. Z's nowhere close to that.

[kjfoster 1553]

Oh, god... let's not do this again.

 

We all know better.

 

Clearly not all

[Transmogrified Tiger]

a starting pitcher should only be considered for the MVP if he is overwhelmingly good, IMO. and Z hasn't even been the best starter on his team, let alone the entire league.

 

How many starting hitters hit .366 let alone pitchers?

 

How much more valuable does 70 ABs make Zambrano than say Dempster?

 

Much.

[sneakypower]

i'm going to reserve judgment until i see our record when he was injured

[carolinacubbie]

Well I know their are a lot better stats than this, but Z has given up 60 earned runs this year and drove in 13 runs. That is a +/- of 47 runs. Dempster has given up 53 earned runs and drove in 2. That is a +/- of 51. We went 6-8 while Zambrano was on the DL.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Hitting + Pitching VORP

 

Dempster: 45.7

Zambrano: 53.9

[TruffleShuffle]

a starting pitcher should only be considered for the MVP if he is overwhelmingly good, IMO. and Z hasn't even been the best starter on his team, let alone the entire league.

 

How many starting hitters hit .366 let alone pitchers?

 

How much more valuable does 70 ABs make Zambrano than say Dempster?

 

Much.

 

yes you're right, especially when the difference in production is very large. still, zambrano may be marginally better than dempster when taking offense into account, but i don't see how that could make him an MVP candidate. i'd have no qualms about voting for pedro as MVP during his peak years, but the starter has to be really great to be a contender, IMO.

[carolinacubbie]

Hitting + Pitching VORP

 

Dempster: 45.7

Zambrano: 53.9

 

 

Is that updated with today's outing?

[carolinacubbie]

a starting pitcher should only be considered for the MVP if he is overwhelmingly good, IMO. and Z hasn't even been the best starter on his team, let alone the entire league.

 

How many starting hitters hit .366 let alone pitchers?

 

How much more valuable does 70 ABs make Zambrano than say Dempster?

 

Much.

 

yes you're right, especially when the difference in production is very large. still, zambrano may be marginally better than dempster when taking offense into account, but i don't see how that could make him an MVP candidate. i'd have no qualms about voting for pedro as MVP during his peak years, but the starter has to be really great to be a contender, IMO.

 

I totally understand where you are coming from, but my original post was using a lot of IFS. They are ifs for a reason. I was saying IF Z hit a couple more home runs this year, and won the rest of his outings. He could sit with 16 wins, .360+ avg, 6 home runs, 3.00 ERA. Those are just crazy good all-around numbers. If Zambrano ends up with those pitching numbers then he will be pretty much right in line with Dempster as far as pitching goes and he would be greatly superior to him as far as hitting. I know this is very unlikely to happen, but with how good everything is going for us right now, who knows?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Hitting + Pitching VORP

 

Dempster: 45.7

Zambrano: 53.9

 

 

Is that updated with today's outing?

 

No.

 

And yeah Truffle, I wasn't trying to say that makes him an MVP candidate, although it puts him right there with Lincecum for the most valuable pitcher in the league.

[shnsajax]

a starting pitcher should only be considered for the MVP if he is overwhelmingly good, IMO. and Z hasn't even been the best starter on his team, let alone the entire league.

 

How many starting hitters hit .366 let alone pitchers?

 

Sorry but your biased is getting in the way here. If this was a Cards pitcher it would not even be a thought in your head.

[Bull]

a starting pitcher should only be considered for the MVP if he is overwhelmingly good, IMO. and Z hasn't even been the best starter on his team, let alone the entire league.

 

How many starting hitters hit .366 let alone pitchers?

 

How much more valuable does 70 ABs make Zambrano than say Dempster?

wait a minute... he's a pinch hitter now too.

[Post Count Padder]

Never happening

[Vanilla Ice]

two terrible threads in a row

[Cynosure]

I wish pitchers could actually be MVPs this day and age... but good luck with that happening.

[carolinacubbie]

a starting pitcher should only be considered for the MVP if he is overwhelmingly good, IMO. and Z hasn't even been the best starter on his team, let alone the entire league.

 

How many starting hitters hit .366 let alone pitchers?

 

Sorry but your biased is getting in the way here. If this was a Cards pitcher it would not even be a thought in your head.

 

I clearly stated I know he has no way of winning the MVP, but if he ended up with numbers like I mentioned could he garner the most votes for any Cub. I love how plenty of you pick and choose what you want to read in a thread. I never said Carlos Zambrano should win the MVP. All I said was if he ended the year ridiculously strong pitching wise, and kept at it hitting wise he should at least receive some votes. But good job all of you haters on totally missing the point of the post!!! I guess I should just start more I hate Derrek Lee and I hate Kosuke Fukudome threads.

[CuseCubFan69]

Z is the answer to the Cubs RF question next year. Have him platoon w/DeRosa and move kouske to CF. Of course, he'd have to pitch every 5 days as well.