Edmonds Quote

[CuseCubFan69]

i think it's just as likely that edmonds tells soto his butt looks big in his pants and geo gets sad and grounds out.

 

i mean, all this stuff is just completely arbitrary. even if it has the tiniest of impacts, there's absolutely no way to project of even reasonable speculate who is doing what and to what effect. in short, it's not worth talking about.

 

 

Why Tree? Because we can't put a number on it? I just don't get the need to quantify every little detail in baseball and if it can't be explained, it's a waste of time or hogwash. I don't know what kind of an effect it has and I'm sure at times none but I just don't see why certain things like this are so dismissed by people who need numbers. Honestly, not that this is you, but many posters act just like the people in baseball they hate the most (Joe M) and deny everything "Old school" just as he does the number crunchers. This debate just reminds me of Conservatives and Liberals and I just don't understand why some can't see a possibility of a middle road or even the others side.

 

i don't think you get it. everyone admits that edmonds might have some knowledge he can pass on, just that the chance that it actually makes any kind of meaningful difference is so slim that it's not worth talking about.

 

I agree that it's possible he won't make a bit of difference or minimal but I also don't know how much it could be either. It wasn't me that made a big deal out of this, I just responded to the posts.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think the problem everyone has with this possibility is why is Edmonds more likely to give out advice than somebody else? Just because Edmonds is old doesn't mean he's more likely to give out good advice than someone who isn't. Lenny Harris seems to have a hitting coach job solely on the basis that he's old and played baseball for a long time, and he's out there ruining everyone's career by giving out his advice.

 

I don't know SRS but all I can say is that Lenny Harris is Lenny Harris and Jim Edmonds is Jim Edmonds. Just because they both have played for a long time doesn't make them the same person and are not going to do or say the same things.

[UK1679666180]

At this point, I'm hoping Edmonds can be that LH'ed middle of the order hitter. As far as bringing playoff experience, his background doesn't hurt. I don't know what type of player he is as far as giving advice on his own, Lee doesn't appear to be the vocal leader, that falls moreso Zambrano and Soriano.

 

If you want an example of a player giving another player credit via experience and knowledge, Dempster has been extremely appreciative of what Maddux taught him.

 

One player learning from another certainly isn't unheard of. However, I would imagine that happens moreso during the course of a long season rather than a short postseason series.

 

It depends on the situation, maybe Edmonds is more familiar with the opposing pitcher than anyone else on the roster, maybe Edmonds spots that the pitcher is tipping his pitches. Having that experience is something that could become a benefit, there's nothing negative that would come from his experience.

[SouthSideRyan]

At this point, I'm hoping Edmonds can be that LH'ed middle of the order hitter. As far as bringing playoff experience, his background doesn't hurt. I don't know what type of player he is as far as giving advice on his own, Lee doesn't appear to be the vocal leader, that falls moreso Zambrano and Soriano.

 

If you want an example of a player giving another player credit via experience and knowledge, Dempster has been extremely appreciative of what Maddux taught him.

 

One player learning from another certainly isn't unheard of. However, I would imagine that happens moreso during the course of a long season rather than a short postseason series.

 

It depends on the situation, maybe Edmonds is more familiar with the opposing pitcher than anyone else on the roster, maybe Edmonds spots that the pitcher is tipping his pitches. Having that experience is something that could become a benefit, there's nothing negative that would come from his experience.

 

Sure there is. Edmonds could approach ABs differently than other players. He has a different skill set and if he's trying to give advice based on what applies to his skills compared to the guy he's talking to skills he could wind up screwing with the other guy's swing/approach for no reason.

 

On the list of the reasons Jim Edmonds is good for the Cubs postseason hopes extra hitting coach for a team full of veterans doesn't even register.

[UK1679666180]

At this point, I'm hoping Edmonds can be that LH'ed middle of the order hitter. As far as bringing playoff experience, his background doesn't hurt. I don't know what type of player he is as far as giving advice on his own, Lee doesn't appear to be the vocal leader, that falls moreso Zambrano and Soriano.

 

If you want an example of a player giving another player credit via experience and knowledge, Dempster has been extremely appreciative of what Maddux taught him.

 

One player learning from another certainly isn't unheard of. However, I would imagine that happens moreso during the course of a long season rather than a short postseason series.

 

It depends on the situation, maybe Edmonds is more familiar with the opposing pitcher than anyone else on the roster, maybe Edmonds spots that the pitcher is tipping his pitches. Having that experience is something that could become a benefit, there's nothing negative that would come from his experience.

 

Sure there is. Edmonds could approach ABs differently than other players. He has a different skill set and if he's trying to give advice based on what applies to his skills compared to the guy he's talking to skills he could wind up screwing with the other guy's swing/approach for no reason.

 

On the list of the reasons Jim Edmonds is good for the Cubs postseason hopes extra hitting coach for a team full of veterans doesn't even register.

 

Every player is pitched to differently, therefore his approach is going to be different, espec. being one of two LH'ers in the lineup.

 

If you read what I had mentioned, him hitting in the middle of the order as well as providing power from L side was 1st and foremost.

 

I would think that Edmonds' experience is a positive moreso than a negative. People in this thread try and paint it as if me and (moreso) Cuse are stating it's the most important trait of Edmonds while overlooking what he does on the field or some BS like that. I'm glad Edmonds has been through this before regardless of some measure of how important it is, that's trying to be attached to his veteran status.

[SouthSideRyan]

I just don't understand what Edmonds facing the Tigers in '06 has to do with anything. I don't understand why this is more important than Lee and Soriano's experience. I don't understand the belief that a 38 year old guy is going to be a positive influence on a bunch of guys aged 28-32. If you had a Marlins type team and you wanted somebody who wasn't an authority figure to be there to calm them down when they get overzealous, I can see the argument. I don't see where guiding veteran presence fits in when it's a team full of veterans.

[UK1679666180]

I don't see where guiding veteran presence fits in when it's a team full of veterans.

 

Show me where it's a negative having that experience, that's what I'm looking for.

[CubinNY]

I don't see where guiding veteran presence fits in when it's a team full of veterans.

 

Show me where it's a negative having that experience, that's what I'm looking for.

I don't think it can be a negative. Experience is the best teacher, often.

 

I would question whether Edmond's experience in the playoff would benefit anyone else though. Edmonds experience playing in SoCal may benefit the Cubs greatly if they face the LAofA in the WS. That could be very important.

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't see where guiding veteran presence fits in when it's a team full of veterans.

 

Show me where it's a negative having that experience, that's what I'm looking for.

I don't think it can be a negative. Experience is the best teacher, often.

 

I would question whether Edmond's experience in the playoff would benefit anyone else though. Edmonds experience playing in SoCal may benefit the Cubs greatly if they face the LAofA in the WS. That could be very important.

 

Really? The fact that Edmonds was awful in San Diego for a month would help Edmonds out? Or playing Anaheim 9 years ago would? I have no clue how either of those things would help him in playing 4 games in Anaheim.

 

I admit I was reaching when I explained how it could be a negative with him giving advice from his perspective when the advice would be utterly useless to others. But I don't see how that's any more of a reach than thinking Edmonds can say here's what I do against him, you should do this too being a help.

[CubinNY]

I don't see where guiding veteran presence fits in when it's a team full of veterans.

 

Show me where it's a negative having that experience, that's what I'm looking for.

I don't think it can be a negative. Experience is the best teacher, often.

 

I would question whether Edmond's experience in the playoff would benefit anyone else though. Edmonds experience playing in SoCal may benefit the Cubs greatly if they face the LAofA in the WS. That could be very important.

 

Really? The fact that Edmonds was awful in San Diego for a month would help Edmonds out? Or playing Anaheim 9 years ago would? I have no clue how either of those things would help him in playing 4 games in Anaheim.

 

I admit I was reaching when I explained how it could be a negative with him giving advice from his perspective when the advice would be utterly useless to others. But I don't see how that's any more of a reach than thinking Edmonds can say here's what I do against him, you should do this too being a help.

I'm talking about how the ballpark plays, It's the same field Edmonds played. I don't think his experience will help anyone in the batter's box facing K-Rod or any pitcher when Vlad is up.