Dunn to the Dbacks

[abuck1220]

has the criteria for "pure hitter"tm been established yet? i'd love to hear it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm flabbergasted that we have people in their 60's posting on the interwebs

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm flabbergasted that we have people in their 60's posting on the interwebs

 

I think it's pretty swell!

 

To answer abucks sarcastic question, I'd say a pure hitter is a guy that hits the sweet spot of the ball at regular intervals.

[abuck1220]

ok, well that sounds pretty dumb.

[CuseCubFan69]

Good, that means I got it right.

[Tracer Bullet]

has the criteria for "pure hitter"tm been established yet? i'd love to hear it.

 

well, the adjective has changed from great hitter to pure hitter, but I still don't think we've established anything you could consider criteria. A list of names that don't include Adam Dunn and the fact that "modern" stats are irrelevant to the discussion is all I can come up with so far.

[abuck1220]

i'm amused that hitting "the sweet spot of the ball" is a trait attributed to guys not named adam dunn given that i think adam dunn gets a pretty good chunk of the sweet spot when he hits it to the moon, and i question how many singles flipped the other way off the bat of rod carew were truly the result of striking the ball on the sweet spot.

[CuseCubFan69]

I just gave my opinion of a pure hitter. I never said that Carew was one and I agree with you that he was more of a contact hitter. Dunn does center the ball quite well when he hits it, just imo he doesn't do it often enough.

[Backtobanks]

This old timer's definition of a great hitter (or pure hitter) is a hitter who makes consistent contact with the ball and a decent amount of times that contact results in hits. That may not be the criteria that you would like, but I know a great hitter when I see one. My definition of someone who's not a great hitter is somebody that people have to spend time researching statistics to find a reason to call him a great hitter. Watching Dunn, you will likely see a HR (great contact), BB (no contact), or K (no contact). I repeat he's a great slugger, but not a great hitter.

[Tracer Bullet]

apparently great hitters are like porn

[David]

apparently great hitters are like porn

 

porn makes consistent contact with the ball and a decent amount of time the contact results in hits?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

apparently great hitters are like porn

 

porn makes consistent contact with the ball and a decent amount of time the contact results in hits?

good ones do

[Tracer Bullet]

apparently great hitters are like porn

 

porn makes consistent contact with the ball and a decent amount of time the contact results in hits?

 

that. and you know it when you see it.

[Backtobanks]

apparently great hitters are like porn

 

porn makes consistent contact with the ball and a decent amount of time the contact results in hits?

 

that. and you know it when you see it.

 

And I don't have to spend a lot of time researching statistics to call it porn. Just have to sit back and enjoy.

[Derwood]

Watching Dunn, you will likely see a HR (great contact), BB (no contact), or K (no contact).

 

I already posted the stats to refute this, but no one seemed to notice.

[abuck1220]

see...right there...you had to look up stats like some kind of scientist with a pocket protector. you shouldn't have to "look up" stats to know someone is a great hitter. YOU KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT.

[David]

I also love how people think they can see a 5% difference in batting average by watching.

[imb]

see...right there...you had to look up stats like some kind of scientist with a pocket protector. you shouldn't have to "look up" stats to know someone is a great hitter. YOU KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT.

 

i look for little things, like how his knee buckles on a curve... is there any give?

[bukie]

I would think Dunn would be about as close to a pure hitter as you could find these days since there's very little pitching or fielding in him.

[Backtobanks]

This old timer's definition of a great hitter (or pure hitter) is a hitter who makes consistent contact with the ball and a decent amount of times that contact results in hits. That may not be the criteria that you would like, but I know a great hitter when I see one. My definition of someone who's not a great hitter is somebody that people have to spend time researching statistics to find a reason to call him a great hitter. Watching Dunn, you will likely see a HR (great contact), BB (no contact), or K (no contact). I repeat he's a great slugger, but not a great hitter.

 

 

Watching Dunn, you will likely see a HR (great contact), BB (no contact), or K (no contact).

 

 

I already posted the stats to refute this, but no one seemed to notice.

 

Actually Derwood, your posting of statistics helped prove my point that Dunn isn't a great hitter (by my definition). His BBs and Ks (no contact) account for 43% of his ABs and in the 53% of ABs where he makes contact, 70% of the time he makes outs.

[rocket]

This old timer's definition of a great hitter (or pure hitter) is a hitter who makes consistent contact with the ball and a decent amount of times that contact results in hits. That may not be the criteria that you would like, but I know a great hitter when I see one. My definition of someone who's not a great hitter is somebody that people have to spend time researching statistics to find a reason to call him a great hitter. Watching Dunn, you will likely see a HR (great contact), BB (no contact), or K (no contact). I repeat he's a great slugger, but not a great hitter.

 

 

Watching Dunn, you will likely see a HR (great contact), BB (no contact), or K (no contact).

 

 

I already posted the stats to refute this, but no one seemed to notice.

 

Actually Derwood, your posting of statistics helped prove my point that Dunn isn't a great hitter (by my definition). His BBs and Ks (no contact) account for 43% of his ABs and in the 53% of ABs where he makes contact, 70% of the time he makes outs.

 

so basically that means he has a .300 BABIP, which doesn't really mean anything except that when adam dunn makes contact, it results in an out about as often as every other batter in baseball history.

[Derwood]

This old timer's definition of a great hitter (or pure hitter) is a hitter who makes consistent contact with the ball and a decent amount of times that contact results in hits. That may not be the criteria that you would like, but I know a great hitter when I see one. My definition of someone who's not a great hitter is somebody that people have to spend time researching statistics to find a reason to call him a great hitter. Watching Dunn, you will likely see a HR (great contact), BB (no contact), or K (no contact). I repeat he's a great slugger, but not a great hitter.

 

 

Watching Dunn, you will likely see a HR (great contact), BB (no contact), or K (no contact).

 

 

I already posted the stats to refute this, but no one seemed to notice.

 

Actually Derwood, your posting of statistics helped prove my point that Dunn isn't a great hitter (by my definition). His BBs and Ks (no contact) account for 43% of his ABs and in the 53% of ABs where he makes contact, 70% of the time he makes outs.

 

so basically that means he has a .300 BABIP, which doesn't really mean anything except that when adam dunn makes contact, it results in an out about as often as every other batter in baseball history.

 

BABIP doesn't count HR's as hits, but I see your point

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Tony Gwynn "made contact" (not a K or BB) in 87.76% of his plate appearances, and in those he hit .351.

 

Dunn "makes contact" in just 57% of his plate appearances, and in those he hits .311.

 

I see little evidence there that Gwynn was a "pure hitter" in any sense, only that he chose to sacrifice the chance for a BB or an extra-base hit for more singles.

[Backtobanks]

Tony Gwynn "made contact" (not a K or BB) in 87.76% of his plate appearances, and in those he hit .351.

 

Dunn "makes contact" in just 57% of his plate appearances, and in those he hits .311.

 

I see little evidence there that Gwynn was a "pure hitter" in any sense, only that he chose to sacrifice the chance for a BB or an extra-base hit for more singles.

 

A perfect example of trying to use statistics to make a point that is ridiculous. Most of Dunn's non-contact were Ks. You're assuming that Gwynn swung at bad pitches ("sacrifice the chance for a BB") to get more singles and never tried to get extra base hits. I suppose the 40 point difference in BABIP means nothing especially since Gwynn puts 30% more balls into play.

[Tracer Bullet]

Tony Gwynn "made contact" (not a K or BB) in 87.76% of his plate appearances, and in those he hit .351.

 

Dunn "makes contact" in just 57% of his plate appearances, and in those he hits .311.

 

I see little evidence there that Gwynn was a "pure hitter" in any sense, only that he chose to sacrifice the chance for a BB or an extra-base hit for more singles.

 

A perfect example of trying to use statistics to make a point that is ridiculous. Most of Dunn's non-contact were Ks. You're assuming that Gwynn swung at bad pitches ("sacrifice the chance for a BB") to get more singles and never tried to get extra base hits. I suppose the 40 point difference in BABIP means nothing especially since Gwynn puts 30% more balls into play.

 

So you're suggesting that Gwynn swung at a bunch of meatballs, but had so little power that he rarely got more than singles? I think Kyle's point made Gwynn sound better.