Braun leaves game

[UMFan83]

Good news, Mr. Braun say he is felling much better.

 

Good to hear. I'd rather beat the Brewers at full strength.

 

 

Except for Yovanni. He can rest until next year :)

[brewersbrewers]

Yovanni is on the road trip with the team for the first time since he got hurt and he is starting to throw off the mound. there is a 50-50 chance he could be back in september.

[UMFan83]

Yovanni is on the road trip with the team for the first time since he got hurt and he is starting to throw off the mound. there is a 50-50 chance he could be back in september.

 

Oh I'm well aware. Yovanni, whether he comes back as a starter or reliever, could be the difference in the playoffs.

 

He is such a wild card. When the Brewers don't resign Sheets or CC this offseason, I think a lot of people will discredit the Brewers next year but because of Gallardo and most likely a smart but economical FA pickup, they will be right here again next year.

[Schwarber Fan]

Even if Gallardo comes back, he's not going to be 100% obviously, since it's "50-50" and there's no telling how effective he'll be after so much time off.

 

I doubt we see him in 2008 again.

[BigSlick]

I don't believe a guy who tore both his ACLs should try pitching at all this year

 

But whatever, if he wants to potentially ruin his career its his perogative

[TruffleShuffle]

I don't believe a guy who tore both his ACLs should try pitching at all this year

 

But whatever, if he wants to potentially ruin his career its his perogative

 

it's probably more that ned yost is willing to ruin his career.

[Ball And Glove]

I don't believe a guy who tore both his ACLs should try pitching at all this year

 

But whatever, if he wants to potentially ruin his career its his perogative

 

This is probably nitpicking, but Gallardo didn't tear both ACLs -- he only tore his right ACL in the game against the Cubs. The other injury you're thinking of is probably the arthroscopic knee surgery he had on his left knee during Spring Training to clean up some torn cartilage...a relatively minor procedure (although the saying "there's no such thing as minor surgery" comes to mind).

 

I agree that it's incredibly stupid to rush him back, though. Apparently his knee is almost full-strength, but he needs to build up his arm strength again. The problem is, with minor league seasons wrapping up soon, he might not have anywhere to go on rehab assignments. Considering the Brewers' future pretty much rests on that surgically-repaired knee (which also happens to be his plant leg), I'd be more apt to let him continue his rehab on his own throughout the rest of the season and come back full strength for the start of Spring Training. It'd be nice to have him in the bullpen, but it's not necessary to make the playoffs, and it'd be crippling to the franchise if he wound up with an arm injury because he's overcompensating for a weak leg.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't believe a guy who tore both his ACLs should try pitching at all this year

 

But whatever, if he wants to potentially ruin his career its his perogative

 

This is probably nitpicking, but Gallardo didn't tear both ACLs -- he only tore his right ACL in the game against the Cubs. The other injury you're thinking of is probably the arthroscopic knee surgery he had on his left knee during Spring Training to clean up some torn cartilage...a relatively minor procedure (although the saying "there's no such thing as minor surgery" comes to mind).

 

I agree that it's incredibly stupid to rush him back, though. Apparently his knee is almost full-strength, but he needs to build up his arm strength again. The problem is, with minor league seasons wrapping up soon, he might not have anywhere to go on rehab assignments. Considering the Brewers' future pretty much rests on that surgically-repaired knee (which also happens to be his plant leg), I'd be more apt to let him continue his rehab on his own throughout the rest of the season and come back full strength for the start of Spring Training. It'd be nice to have him in the bullpen, but it's not necessary to make the playoffs, and it'd be crippling to the franchise if he wound up with an arm injury because he's overcompensating for a weak leg.

and enter next season without him (and Sheets and Sabathia)

[Guest]

I don't believe a guy who tore both his ACLs should try pitching at all this year

 

But whatever, if he wants to potentially ruin his career its his perogative

 

This is probably nitpicking, but Gallardo didn't tear both ACLs -- he only tore his right ACL in the game against the Cubs. The other injury you're thinking of is probably the arthroscopic knee surgery he had on his left knee during Spring Training to clean up some torn cartilage...a relatively minor procedure (although the saying "there's no such thing as minor surgery" comes to mind).

 

I agree that it's incredibly stupid to rush him back, though. Apparently his knee is almost full-strength, but he needs to build up his arm strength again. The problem is, with minor league seasons wrapping up soon, he might not have anywhere to go on rehab assignments. Considering the Brewers' future pretty much rests on that surgically-repaired knee (which also happens to be his plant leg), I'd be more apt to let him continue his rehab on his own throughout the rest of the season and come back full strength for the start of Spring Training. It'd be nice to have him in the bullpen, but it's not necessary to make the playoffs, and it'd be crippling to the franchise if he wound up with an arm injury because he's overcompensating for a weak leg.

 

He can still do simulated games at the Brewers AZL complex in Maryvale to bring his arm strength up.

[UMFan83]

I don't believe a guy who tore both his ACLs should try pitching at all this year

 

But whatever, if he wants to potentially ruin his career its his perogative

 

This is probably nitpicking, but Gallardo didn't tear both ACLs -- he only tore his right ACL in the game against the Cubs. The other injury you're thinking of is probably the arthroscopic knee surgery he had on his left knee during Spring Training to clean up some torn cartilage...a relatively minor procedure (although the saying "there's no such thing as minor surgery" comes to mind).

 

I agree that it's incredibly stupid to rush him back, though. Apparently his knee is almost full-strength, but he needs to build up his arm strength again. The problem is, with minor league seasons wrapping up soon, he might not have anywhere to go on rehab assignments. Considering the Brewers' future pretty much rests on that surgically-repaired knee (which also happens to be his plant leg), I'd be more apt to let him continue his rehab on his own throughout the rest of the season and come back full strength for the start of Spring Training. It'd be nice to have him in the bullpen, but it's not necessary to make the playoffs, and it'd be crippling to the franchise if he wound up with an arm injury because he's overcompensating for a weak leg.

and enter next season without him (and Sheets and Sabathia)

 

I hope people don't think that the Brewers are going to be a non-factor because of Sheets and CC leaving.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I hope people don't think that the Brewers are going to be a non-factor because of Sheets and CC leaving.

 

They become what the Reds were before they dealt Dunn.

[David]

I hope people don't think that the Brewers are going to be a non-factor because of Sheets and CC leaving.

 

They become what the Reds were before they dealt Dunn.

 

 

My thoughts exactly, basically.

[illiniguy]

You know abusing Sheets and Sabathia is one thing, they are gone after this year. But, to risk Gallardo is crazy. I am so glad that the Crew has their own version of Dusty Baker running the team. Cause they have some damn good talent and that idiot will handicap the crap out of it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I don't believe a guy who tore both his ACLs should try pitching at all this year

 

But whatever, if he wants to potentially ruin his career its his perogative

 

This is probably nitpicking, but Gallardo didn't tear both ACLs -- he only tore his right ACL in the game against the Cubs. The other injury you're thinking of is probably the arthroscopic knee surgery he had on his left knee during Spring Training to clean up some torn cartilage...a relatively minor procedure (although the saying "there's no such thing as minor surgery" comes to mind).

 

I agree that it's incredibly stupid to rush him back, though. Apparently his knee is almost full-strength, but he needs to build up his arm strength again. The problem is, with minor league seasons wrapping up soon, he might not have anywhere to go on rehab assignments. Considering the Brewers' future pretty much rests on that surgically-repaired knee (which also happens to be his plant leg), I'd be more apt to let him continue his rehab on his own throughout the rest of the season and come back full strength for the start of Spring Training. It'd be nice to have him in the bullpen, but it's not necessary to make the playoffs, and it'd be crippling to the franchise if he wound up with an arm injury because he's overcompensating for a weak leg.

and enter next season without him (and Sheets and Sabathia)

 

I hope people don't think that the Brewers are going to be a non-factor because of Sheets and CC leaving.

 

If they're smart, they'll try to trade Fielder, or at least Hardy for a nice pitching prospect or 2 in the offseason. I cant see Fielders relationship with the Brewers lasting long, especially with Boras pulling the strings, so they may as well get something good while they have a few years of team control on him.

 

As for Gallardo, I could see them bringing him back to the pen if hes up for it, as thats where they need the most help. If hes feeling OK through September, they'll decide what to do with him come October.

[UMFan83]

I hope people don't think that the Brewers are going to be a non-factor because of Sheets and CC leaving.

 

They become what the Reds were before they dealt Dunn.

 

 

My thoughts exactly, basically.

 

Gallardo - FA - Parra - Suppan - Bush

 

Not great but I don't think the Brewers were intending on being a one and done team, although this was certainly their big push. There's a decent list of FA pitchers that they could get for less than Sheets or Sabathia. I know they already think Gallardo can be on that Sheets/Sabathia level with time (or possibly even now)

 

Burnett

Dempster

Garland

Oliver Perez

 

to name a couple. Definitely not on the same level as CC/Sheets but still good enough to make them relevant. Also they still have several tradeable prospects to swing a deal for a pitcher. Who knows, I am just trying to say that we shouldn't assume the Brewers will just go away after this year because they have a lot of leverage to improve (after losing Sheets/CC).

[Soul]

I'm not counting on the Brewers going away any time soon. They'll be around.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I hope people don't think that the Brewers are going to be a non-factor because of Sheets and CC leaving.

 

They become what the Reds were before they dealt Dunn.

 

 

My thoughts exactly, basically.

 

Gallardo - FA - Parra - Suppan - Bush

 

Not great but I don't think the Brewers were intending on being a one and done team, although this was certainly their big push. There's a decent list of FA pitchers that they could get for less than Sheets or Sabathia. I know they already think Gallardo can be on that Sheets/Sabathia level with time (or possibly even now)

 

Burnett

Dempster

Garland

Oliver Perez

 

to name a couple. Definitely not on the same level as CC/Sheets but still good enough to make them relevant. Also they still have several tradeable prospects to swing a deal for a pitcher. Who knows, I am just trying to say that we shouldn't assume the Brewers will just go away after this year because they have a lot of leverage to improve (after losing Sheets/CC).

 

The big question with such a small market team is how long will they be able to keep some of these guys around? Fielder? Hardy? I know Braun just signed a big deal, and hart has a few years left under team control. They'll be shedding some salary between Gagne(if it werent for Melvin redeeming himself with the CC deal, that should have been enough to get any GM fired), Cameron, and to a lesser extent Kendall, so thats something, but what is available for them? Remember, even beyond CC and Sheets, there are a lot of teams with more money than the Brewers that really need pitching, like both New York teams, Philly, Detroit, Dodgers, and Texas(I dont know how they are as far as money gos, but I know they desperately need pitching).

[UMFan83]

Fielder will be moved. I don't think he wants to be there long term. They will recycle with prospects. That is what small market teams have to do. Determine which players are long term assets, try to lock them up early (like Braun) and the players that don't want to be long term or want big paydays, they have to find the perfect time to trade them for the best return. A few years into the system, they should have already acquired a prospect that is ready to replace Fielder anyways.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think there's a bit of a misconception regarding the Brewers that they're still the 40M team they've always been. They're drawing in great crowds and have a great owner. I think they're gonna have more money to spend than people around here think.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think there's a bit of a misconception regarding the Brewers that they're still the 40M team they've always been. They're drawing in great crowds and have a great owner. I think they're gonna have more money to spend than people around here think.

 

With a lot of players and agents, its just as much the city as the team and money. Especially Boras likes his big ticket guys in big ticket towns like New York and LA. Granted, if The Brewers were to offer up a massive deal, a player would take it, but if that player were offered similar deals with Milwaukee and New York or LA, a lot of players would chose to play in that big market.

 

Look at Beltran. He made it clear that he felt more comfortable playing for a small market team, but Boras wasnt having that, and he ended up in New York.

[C.C.]

I think there's a bit of a misconception regarding the Brewers that they're still the 40M team they've always been. They're drawing in great crowds and have a great owner. I think they're gonna have more money to spend than people around here think.

 

Yea, but not CC kind of money. They aren't going to tie up 16-19 million dollars a year on one player. I think they do have a chance to sign Sheets. He seems to like it there and I'm not sure many teams will pony up big bucks and years for a often injured player.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think there's a bit of a misconception regarding the Brewers that they're still the 40M team they've always been. They're drawing in great crowds and have a great owner. I think they're gonna have more money to spend than people around here think.

 

With a lot of players and agents, its just as much the city as the team and money. Especially Boras likes his big ticket guys in big ticket towns like New York and LA. Granted, if The Brewers were to offer up a massive deal, a player would take it, but if that player were offered similar deals with Milwaukee and New York or LA, a lot of players would chose to play in that big market.

 

Look at Beltran. He made it clear that he felt more comfortable playing for a small market team, but Boras wasnt having that, and he ended up in New York.

 

What small market team was offering the money the Mets did?

 

It's not as if every client has gone to NY, LA, and Chicago. The reason guys have wound up there when they have is because those 6 teams are 6 of the richest.

[CubinNY]

I think there's a bit of a misconception regarding the Brewers that they're still the 40M team they've always been. They're drawing in great crowds and have a great owner. I think they're gonna have more money to spend than people around here think.

 

With a lot of players and agents, its just as much the city as the team and money. Especially Boras likes his big ticket guys in big ticket towns like New York and LA. Granted, if The Brewers were to offer up a massive deal, a player would take it, but if that player were offered similar deals with Milwaukee and New York or LA, a lot of players would chose to play in that big market.

 

Look at Beltran. He made it clear that he felt more comfortable playing for a small market team, but Boras wasnt having that, and he ended up in New York.

 

What small market team was offering the money the Mets did?

 

It's not as if every client has gone to NY, LA, and Chicago. The reason guys have wound up there when they have is because those 6 teams are 6 of the richest.

Boras plays the bad guy so his clients can get rich and be loved at the same time.

 

He and Maddux have good cop/bad coped it to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. I remember when every single Cub fan was pissed at Boars for keeping Maddux from signing early in the offseason of 2004, like Boars was Buffalo Bob and Maddux was Howdy Doody. Maddux kept Maddux out trying to get a better offer.

 

if Sheets wants to stay for less in Mill. he will. If he wants the money he won't.

[TruffleShuffle]

I think there's a bit of a misconception regarding the Brewers that they're still the 40M team they've always been. They're drawing in great crowds and have a great owner. I think they're gonna have more money to spend than people around here think.

 

yeah, i believe their payroll expanded past $90M with the acquisition of sabathia. they've spent like a mid-market team, not far from the phillies, astros and blue jays.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think there's a bit of a misconception regarding the Brewers that they're still the 40M team they've always been. They're drawing in great crowds and have a great owner. I think they're gonna have more money to spend than people around here think.

 

With a lot of players and agents, its just as much the city as the team and money. Especially Boras likes his big ticket guys in big ticket towns like New York and LA. Granted, if The Brewers were to offer up a massive deal, a player would take it, but if that player were offered similar deals with Milwaukee and New York or LA, a lot of players would chose to play in that big market.

 

Look at Beltran. He made it clear that he felt more comfortable playing for a small market team, but Boras wasnt having that, and he ended up in New York.

 

What small market team was offering the money the Mets did?

 

It's not as if every client has gone to NY, LA, and Chicago. The reason guys have wound up there when they have is because those 6 teams are 6 of the richest.

Boras plays the bad guy so his clients can get rich and be loved at the same time.

 

He and Maddux have good cop/bad coped it to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. I remember when every single Cub fan was pissed at Boars for keeping Maddux from signing early in the offseason of 2004, like Boars was Buffalo Bob and Maddux was Howdy Doody. Maddux kept Maddux out trying to get a better offer.

 

if Sheets wants to stay for less in Mill. he will. If he wants the money he won't.

 

Hes already stated that hes going to at least tesy free agency, and CCs been very clear about wanting to go West.