Baseball Tonight and franchise players discussion

[treebird]

warp3 really isn't a very good metric, unless you're dumb and you like bp's defensive statistics.

[Paladin Cecil]

The Blue Jays results are in. These choices are gonna shock you.

The choices are:

ESPN:

1. Carlos Delgado

2. George Bell

3. Tony Fernandez

Viewers:

1. Joe Carter

2. Roy Halladay

3. Roberto Alomar

My choices (I had a tough time deciding these):

1. Roberto Alomar

2. Joe Carter

3. Tony Fernandez

[NCCubFan]

The Blue Jays results are in. These choices are gonna shock you.

The choices are:

ESPN:

1. Carlos Delgado

2. George Bell

3. Tony Fernandez

Viewers:

1. Joe Carter

2. Roy Halladay

3. Roberto Alomar

My choices (I had a tough time deciding these):

1. Roberto Alomar

2. Joe Carter

3. Tony Fernandez

No Alex Gonzalez? Blaspheme!

[TheHawk]

Yanks:

Ruth

Gehrig

Mantle

 

Obviously I could see DiMaggio taking the place of Gehrig or Mantle.

those are the 3 I was thinking as well. are viewers dumb enough to pick Jeter?

 

Sweet Jesus, I hope not. Please please no.

I'll set 5-1 odds that say they are.

 

I also bet Paul O'Neill would be an honorable mention if they list any.

 

what about scott brosius

 

Ricky Ledee? Enrique Wilson?

 

Aaron Boone.

Luis Sojo

Clay Bellinger

Chad Curtis

 

HM-Aaron Small

[fromthestretch]

The Blue Jays results are in. These choices are gonna shock you.

The choices are:

ESPN:

1. Carlos Delgado

2. George Bell

3. Tony Fernandez

Viewers:

1. Joe Carter

2. Roy Halladay

3. Roberto Alomar

My choices (I had a tough time deciding these):

1. Roberto Alomar

2. Joe Carter

3. Tony Fernandez

 

I don't see how you can include Alomar when he spent only five of his 17 seasons with Toronto. Granted, that was the most time he spent with one team, but still. Delgado was there for longer and is the franchise leader in career OPS (by a decent margin). He has to be on that list.

[TruffleShuffle]

warp3 really isn't a very good metric, unless you're dumb and you like bp's defensive statistics.

 

i don't like bp's defensive statistics, but rivera's defense is largely irrelevant and berra is a 136 FRAA, which means their system likes him a whole lot.

[OleMissCub]

warp3 really isn't a very good metric, unless you're dumb and you like bp's defensive statistics.

 

 

OK, tell us your favorite career metric

[Paladin Cecil]

The Blue Jays results are in. These choices are gonna shock you.

The choices are:

ESPN:

1. Carlos Delgado

2. George Bell

3. Tony Fernandez

Viewers:

1. Joe Carter

2. Roy Halladay

3. Roberto Alomar

My choices (I had a tough time deciding these):

1. Roberto Alomar

2. Joe Carter

3. Tony Fernandez

 

I don't see how you can include Alomar when he spent only five of his 17 seasons with Toronto. Granted, that was the most time he spent with one team, but still. Delgado was there for longer and is the franchise leader in career OPS (by a decent margin). He has to be on that list.

 

The choices were tough to make and I can relate to your perspective on Delgado. The reason I put Alomar on there is because even though Delgado spent more years with Toronto, Alomar has better career numbers and is most likely to go into the Hall of Fame as a Blue Jay. He was even on both of the Blue Jays World Championship teams and hit one of the most memorable home runs in their history. And he had made a name for himself as a franchise player while Delgado was just a rookie.

 

The choices for the Astros are in:

ESPN:

1. Craig Biggio

2. Jeff Bagwell

3. Larry Dierker

Viewers:

1. Craig Biggio

2. Jeff Bagwell

3. Nolan Ryan

My choices:

Same as the viewers, although I can understand ESPN's choice for Dierker.

Tomorrow will be the Expos/Nationals.

[OleMissCub]

Expos/Nats:

 

1 - Vlad

2 - Tim Raines

3 - Andre Dawson

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Expos/Nats:

 

1 - Vlad

2 - Tim Raines

3 - Andre Dawson

 

I'd rank Raines at the top based on career as an Expo. If it's overall career, then yeah Vlad is at the top.

[sneakypower]

Starting yesterday, Baseball Tonight has been doing a segment regarding the top 3 players for each franchise as voted on by the ESPN crew and the viewers. Yesterday, they did the top 3 players for the Cardinals and today, they did the top 3 players for the Reds.

 

The choices for the Reds were:

ESPN:

1. Johnny Bench

2. Pete Rose

3. Frank Robinson

Viewers:

1. Pete Rose

2. Johnny Bench

3. Bucky Walters

 

[-(

 

http://allamericanspeakers.com/sportspeakers/photos/Joe_Morgan.jpg

[dew1679666265]

Starting yesterday, Baseball Tonight has been doing a segment regarding the top 3 players for each franchise as voted on by the ESPN crew and the viewers. Yesterday, they did the top 3 players for the Cardinals and today, they did the top 3 players for the Reds.

 

The choices for the Reds were:

ESPN:

1. Johnny Bench

2. Pete Rose

3. Frank Robinson

Viewers:

1. Pete Rose

2. Johnny Bench

3. Bucky Walters

 

[-(

 

http://allamericanspeakers.com/sportspeakers/photos/Joe_Morgan.jpg

 

I was wondering when somebody would bring him up. I was thinking I'd have to go back and make the list accurate in the eyes of Joe Morgan:

 

1. Joe Morgan

2. Joe Morgan

3. Johnny Bench

 

:D

[dew1679666265]

The choices for the Astros are in:

ESPN:

1. Craig Biggio

2. Jeff Bagwell

3. Larry Dierker

Viewers:

1. Craig Biggio

2. Jeff Bagwell

3. Nolan Ryan

My choices:

Same as the viewers, although I can understand ESPN's choice for Dierker.

Tomorrow will be the Expos/Nationals.

 

I think you have to go with Nolan Ryan.

 

1. Biggio

2. Bagwell

3. Ryan

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Starting yesterday, Baseball Tonight has been doing a segment regarding the top 3 players for each franchise as voted on by the ESPN crew and the viewers. Yesterday, they did the top 3 players for the Cardinals and today, they did the top 3 players for the Reds.

 

The choices for the Reds were:

ESPN:

1. Johnny Bench

2. Pete Rose

3. Frank Robinson

Viewers:

1. Pete Rose

2. Johnny Bench

3. Bucky Walters

 

[-(

 

http://allamericanspeakers.com/sportspeakers/photos/Joe_Morgan.jpg

 

I was wondering when somebody would bring him up. I was thinking I'd have to go back and make the list accurate in the eyes of Joe Morgan:

 

1. Joe Morgan

2. Joe Morgan

3. Johnny Bench

 

:D

 

 

ummm....Davey Conception....

[UMFan83]

Cubs are tonight

[OleMissCub]

Expos were the latest:

 

BBTN:

Vlad

Dawson

Carter

 

Fans:

Dawson

Raines

Vlad

 

I'm surprised the fans went with Dawson over Vlad, seeing as how Vlad is a more current player.

[Derwood]

Had the strike not happened in 1994, the top 3 for Montreal may have been Pedro, Big Unit, Larry Walker

[bhogg]

The cubs should be interesting.

 

I'd go:

 

Sandberg, Banks, Santo

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

For the Cubs, I'd go Banks, Sosa, and then either Jenkins or Sandberg.

[Paladin Cecil]

My Nationals/Expos choices are:

1. Gary Carter

2. Vladimir Guerrero (it was really hard to choose between him and Dawson)

3. Tim Raines

[Derwood]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MON/1994.shtml

 

what could have been

[dew1679666265]

Starting yesterday, Baseball Tonight has been doing a segment regarding the top 3 players for each franchise as voted on by the ESPN crew and the viewers. Yesterday, they did the top 3 players for the Cardinals and today, they did the top 3 players for the Reds.

 

The choices for the Reds were:

ESPN:

1. Johnny Bench

2. Pete Rose

3. Frank Robinson

Viewers:

1. Pete Rose

2. Johnny Bench

3. Bucky Walters

 

[-(

 

http://allamericanspeakers.com/sportspeakers/photos/Joe_Morgan.jpg

 

I was wondering when somebody would bring him up. I was thinking I'd have to go back and make the list accurate in the eyes of Joe Morgan:

 

1. Joe Morgan

2. Joe Morgan

3. Johnny Bench

 

:D

 

 

ummm....Davey Conception....

 

Ooohhh, good point.

 

He's tied for third with Johnny Bench. :D

[bhogg]

Sosa? Seriously? He lost it for me when he cheated (cork) and walked out on the team.

 

 

Banks, Williams, Sosa according to ESPN.

 

Banks, Sosa, Sandberg according to fan voting.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Sosa? Seriously? He lost it for me when he cheated (cork) and walked out on the team.

 

 

Banks, Williams, Sosa according to ESPN.

 

Banks, Sosa, Sandberg according to fan voting.

 

That still doesn't change his production.

 

 

And based on that production, he is one of the top three Cubs of all-time.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sosa? Seriously? He lost it for me when he cheated (cork) and walked out on the team.

 

 

Banks, Williams, Sosa according to ESPN.

 

Banks, Sosa, Sandberg according to fan voting.

 

He won it for me when he was an incredible baseball player.