Cubs looking @ Ibanez?

[kjfoster 1553]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

[dew1679666265]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

[rchap24]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Cubs are always looking at Ibanez.

 

The only way hed be worth our while is if Edmonds is hurting more than we know.

Edited July 30, 2008 by Little Slide Rooter

[kjfoster 1553]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

Fuku, Soriano, Edmonds, Reed, DeRo, Ward

 

I just don't see a need for another outfielder, plus it would put Kosuke in CF.

[dew1679666265]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

 

He's not much worse this year than previous years.

 

OPS+ from 2001 to 2008: 115, 122, 103, 116, 115, 125, 121, 120

[nilodnayr]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

 

Ibanez is most definitely not a CF. He can barely play the corners.

[Little Slide Rooter]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

 

He's not much worse this year than previous years.

 

OPS+ from 2001 to 2008: 115, 122, 103, 116, 115, 125, 121, 120

 

What is OPS+ anyway?

[dew1679666265]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

Fuku, Soriano, Edmonds, Reed, DeRo, Ward

 

I just don't see a need for another outfielder, plus it would put Kosuke in CF.

 

I'm ok with Kosuke in center, if he's fine with it.

 

Adding another outfielder is a problem, though. It would help DeRo since he would pretty much not have to play the outfield anymore, but we may have to get rid of Ward too - that isn't ideal, but I'm not sure I'd hold the deal up because of that.

[dew1679666265]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

 

Ibanez is most definitely not a CF. He can barely play the corners.

 

Kosuke would move to center and Ibanez would stand in right.

[RammyFanny]

I'm down.

 

 

I think the bigger news is that we're considering Kosuke close to full-time in center, in which I would wish we'd hear about some interest in other corner outfielders like Dunn.

 

Will Ibanez fetch us draft picks if we were to let him walk after the season?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Ibanez doesn't make much sense. If you get him to be a starter, you have to put him in LF, becuase he might be the worst defensive outfielder in the game. So you're weakening your defense to tread water from where you were(emphasis on were) with the Edmonds/Johnson platoon. If you get him for the bench, that doesn't make much sense. His cost in players won't be appropriate, you're still worried about Edmonds' health, and he'd only be a real benefit for the month of August, after which we'll have all the left handed bench bats we want between Hoffpauir, Pie, maybe Fuld, etc. Say no to Ibanez.

[nilodnayr]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

 

Ibanez is most definitely not a CF. He can barely play the corners.

 

Kosuke would move to center and Ibanez would stand in right.

 

So then why not get Adam Dunn? Based on everyone wanting Ibanez and no one wanting Dunn, their costs might be pretty close, their defence (or lack thereof) is pretty close, but Dunn is loads better on offense.

[dew1679666265]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

 

He's not much worse this year than previous years.

 

OPS+ from 2001 to 2008: 115, 122, 103, 116, 115, 125, 121, 120

 

What is OPS+ anyway?

 

OPS+= OPS measured against the league average, and adjusted for ballpark factors. An OPS+ over 100 is better than average, less than 100 is below average.

 

The exact formula is pretty confusing, I believe. One of the more knowledgable statguys on here could explain it better.

[kjfoster 1553]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

 

Ibanez is most definitely not a CF. He can barely play the corners.

 

Kosuke would move to center and Ibanez would stand in right.

 

Exactly. So why not keep the OF the way it is?

 

Soriano in LF, Reed/Edmonds in center, and Kosuke/DeRo in RF. Above average defensive team.

Soriano in LF, Kosuke/Reed in CF, and Ibanez/Kosuke in RF? Not near as pretty.

[JeffH]

Ibanez would also give us a legitimate, starter-quality major league hitter to rest Derrek Lee on occasion.

[dew1679666265]

Ibanez doesn't make much sense. If you get him to be a starter, you have to put him in LF, becuase he might be the worst defensive outfielder in the game. So you're weakening your defense to tread water from where you were(emphasis on were) with the Edmonds/Johnson platoon. If you get him for the bench, that doesn't make much sense. His cost in players won't be appropriate, you're still worried about Edmonds' health, and he'd only be a real benefit for the month of August, after which we'll have all the left handed bench bats we want between Hoffpauir, Pie, maybe Fuld, etc. Say no to Ibanez.

 

Good point on where he'll play, I hadn't realized he's never really played much right field. If he came really cheap (i.e. Ibanez for Hart and maybe a lower prospect) I might consider it. But if he can't play right, it may not be worth it.

[Schwarber Fan]

From the Suntimes:

 

The Cubs don't need to make a blockbuster deal, but some tinkering is in order.

 

Veteran center fielder Jim Edmonds was a nice pickup when he was plucked off the waiver wire in mid-May, but he looks to be running out of gas at a bad time. His sore left knee kept him out of the lineup again Tuesday. After a strong showing in June (.319, six home runs, 19 RBI), Edmonds has sputtered in July (.231, three homers, nine RBI).

 

If the Cubs are serious about loading up for what figures to be a grueling two-month final kick into the postseason, they would be better served to thank Edmonds for his contribution, part with some of their young talent and get lefty-swinging Raul Ibanez from the Seattle Mariners.

 

Ibanez, who has been on the Mets' radar, entered play Tuesday hitting .281 with 15 homers and 62 RBI -- numbers Edmonds no longer can match. Put him in right field and keep Kosuke Fukudome in center, where he played Tuesday.

 

If Piniella is serious about the Cubs looking to get better, swapping Edmonds in the lineup for Ibanez fits the bill.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1081132,CST-SPT-deluca30.article

[dew1679666265]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

 

Ibanez is most definitely not a CF. He can barely play the corners.

 

Kosuke would move to center and Ibanez would stand in right.

 

Exactly. So why not keep the OF the way it is?

 

Soriano in LF, Reed/Edmonds in center, and Kosuke/DeRo in RF. Above average defensive team.

Soriano in LF, Kosuke/Reed in CF, and Ibanez/Kosuke in RF? Not near as pretty.

 

My fear is that Edmonds is unlikely to remain healthy and Ibanez may come cheaply.

 

But, I'm not for the move if Ibanez can't play right so it's a moot point anyway.

[mdwilla]

Jim his name is Adam Dunn and he can be had rather cheaply while you have Jocketty on the phone you can grab Jerry Hairston JR also.

[dew1679666265]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

 

Ibanez is most definitely not a CF. He can barely play the corners.

 

Kosuke would move to center and Ibanez would stand in right.

 

So then why not get Adam Dunn? Based on everyone wanting Ibanez and no one wanting Dunn, their costs might be pretty close, their defence (or lack thereof) is pretty close, but Dunn is loads better on offense.

 

I'd definitely prefer Dunn, but I figured his cost would be much, much more.

 

For similar prices, though, I'd take Dunn every day.

[rchap24]

Ibanez would also give us a legitimate, starter-quality major league hitter to rest Derrek Lee on occasion.

 

All I'm saying is having him on the bench as another left handed bat(assuming we dont give up a lot and hes ok with that role) I would deal for him.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't like this idea at all, not even a little bit

[RammyFanny]

Will he fetch us draft picks?

[abuck1220]

The team is not close to a deal, major-league sources say, and ultimately might settle for a bench player who would be an upgrade over Daryle Ward, or make no trade at all.

 

great stuff, fox sports!