Yeah, I'm the Grinch, but is anyone else sick of the media

[badnews]

and the "What a great story" love-in with Josh Hamilton? Dude has a 1.104 OPS at home and a .769 OPS away from Arlington and this is history's greatest player that never played for the Yankees or Red Sox according to the media.

 

I also like the idea that anyone is buying Milton Bradley as a legitimate 1.034 OPS hitter.

[CubinNY]

and the "What a great story" love-in with Josh Hamilton? Dude has a 1.104 OPS at home and a .769 OPS away from Arlington and this is history's greatest player that never played for the Yankees or Red Sox according to the media.

 

I also like the idea that anyone is buying Milton Bradley as a legitimate 1.034 OPS hitter.

Hamilton is a great story. America is all about redemption. I'm loving it.

[Keener98]

and the "What a great story" love-in with Josh Hamilton? Dude has a 1.104 OPS at home and a .769 OPS away from Arlington and this is history's greatest player that never played for the Yankees or Red Sox according to the media.

 

I also like the idea that anyone is buying Milton Bradley as a legitimate 1.034 OPS hitter.

 

Bradley is still putting up close to a .900 OPS away from home. Sure Arlington is helping, but Bradley would be a great addition to any offense plain and simple.

[Schwarber Fan]

RICK ANKIEL = BABE RUTH

[BigbadB]

Bradley posted a +.900 OPS in Petco. The guy has legit power.

 

To compare, San Diego's best power hitter (Adrian Gonzalez) is currently sporting a .782 OPS at Petco.

[anabiono]

hamilton's story really bothers you?

 

i think it is a beautiful thing, i even teared up a bit listening to him on the all-star selection show, but that is probably because i identify with him since i was once a drug addict as well

 

honestly, to be at rock bottom and then claw your way back up to waking life is not easy and should definitely be applauded

[Connor McConnor]

Who?

[Illini Iceman]

hamilton's story really bothers you?

 

i think it is a beautiful thing, i even teared up a bit listening to him on the all-star selection show, but that is probably because i identify with him since i was once a drug addict as well

 

honestly, to be at rock bottom and then claw your way back up to waking life is not easy and should definitely be applauded

 

This kind of sums up my opinion of Hamilton:

 

Hamilton is a great story, you know of a kid from a gritty background (no, wait he was middle class), who came from an abusive family (no, wait, they were very supportive) who fell victim to drug abuse (because he was bored while rehabbing an injury) who overcame all of that (made up) adversity to become a star. Look, I’m happy for him, but s**t, it was all his fault anyway.

 

http://www.desipio.com/?p=1490

 

I know, heaven forbid I quote Disipio on nsbb, isn't it like blaspemy or something?

 

Good for him he came back. But a lot of the media is making him into some kind of hero or something. He screwed his life up big time and now is back to where he would have been 5 years ago if he hadn't been stupid. Don't see why he gets more credit and attention than some guy that does it the right way and becomes a star without having to do the drug addict thing first.

Edited July 12, 2008 by Illini Iceman

[Illini Iceman]

sorry double post

[CubinNY]

hamilton's story really bothers you?

 

i think it is a beautiful thing, i even teared up a bit listening to him on the all-star selection show, but that is probably because i identify with him since i was once a drug addict as well

 

honestly, to be at rock bottom and then claw your way back up to waking life is not easy and should definitely be applauded

 

This kind of sums up my opinion of Hamilton:

 

Hamilton is a great story, you know of a kid from a gritty background (no, wait he was middle class), who came from an abusive family (no, wait, they were very supportive) who fell victim to drug abuse (because he was bored while rehabbing an injury) who overcame all of that (made up) adversity to become a star. Look, I’m happy for him, but s**t, it was all his fault anyway.

 

http://www.desipio.com/?p=1490

 

I know, heaven forbid I quote Disipio on nsbb, isn't it like blaspemy or something?

 

Good for him he came back. But a lot of the media is making him into some kind of hero or something. He screwed his life up big time and now is back to where he would have been 5 years ago if he hadn't been stupid. Don't see why he gets more credit and attention than some guy that does it the right way and becomes a star without having to do the drug addict thing first.

That's a pretty asinine way of looking at the situation, but if it makes you feel better about yourself. Feel free.

[Illini Iceman]

hamilton's story really bothers you?

 

i think it is a beautiful thing, i even teared up a bit listening to him on the all-star selection show, but that is probably because i identify with him since i was once a drug addict as well

 

honestly, to be at rock bottom and then claw your way back up to waking life is not easy and should definitely be applauded

 

This kind of sums up my opinion of Hamilton:

 

Hamilton is a great story, you know of a kid from a gritty background (no, wait he was middle class), who came from an abusive family (no, wait, they were very supportive) who fell victim to drug abuse (because he was bored while rehabbing an injury) who overcame all of that (made up) adversity to become a star. Look, I’m happy for him, but s**t, it was all his fault anyway.

 

http://www.desipio.com/?p=1490

 

I know, heaven forbid I quote Disipio on nsbb, isn't it like blaspemy or something?

 

Good for him he came back. But a lot of the media is making him into some kind of hero or something. He screwed his life up big time and now is back to where he would have been 5 years ago if he hadn't been stupid. Don't see why he gets more credit and attention than some guy that does it the right way and becomes a star without having to do the drug addict thing first.

That's a pretty asinine way of looking at the situation, but if it makes you feel better about yourself. Feel free.

 

Who said anything about how it makes me feel about myself? We are talking about how I feel about Josh Hamilton not being able to stay off drugs. Maybe if Grady Sizemore had spent most of his minor league career shooting heroin the media would be lining up to have interviews with him instead of the "heroic" Josh Hamilton.

 

And thanks anyway for giving me the right to have my own opinion. Very big of you.

[Keener98]

Lets completely ignore the pressures put on a 18 year old kid being drafted #1, and labled as the next big thing. Sure he made the choice to use the drugs, but he also had a hell of alot of pressure put on him especially as an 18 year old kid.

[CubinNY]

hamilton's story really bothers you?

 

i think it is a beautiful thing, i even teared up a bit listening to him on the all-star selection show, but that is probably because i identify with him since i was once a drug addict as well

 

honestly, to be at rock bottom and then claw your way back up to waking life is not easy and should definitely be applauded

 

This kind of sums up my opinion of Hamilton:

 

Hamilton is a great story, you know of a kid from a gritty background (no, wait he was middle class), who came from an abusive family (no, wait, they were very supportive) who fell victim to drug abuse (because he was bored while rehabbing an injury) who overcame all of that (made up) adversity to become a star. Look, I’m happy for him, but s**t, it was all his fault anyway.

 

http://www.desipio.com/?p=1490

 

I know, heaven forbid I quote Disipio on nsbb, isn't it like blaspemy or something?

 

Good for him he came back. But a lot of the media is making him into some kind of hero or something. He screwed his life up big time and now is back to where he would have been 5 years ago if he hadn't been stupid. Don't see why he gets more credit and attention than some guy that does it the right way and becomes a star without having to do the drug addict thing first.

That's a pretty asinine way of looking at the situation, but if it makes you feel better about yourself. Feel free.

 

Who said anything about how it makes me feel about myself? We are talking about how I feel about Josh Hamilton not being able to stay off drugs. Maybe if Grady Sizemore had spent most of his minor league career shooting heroin the media would be lining up to have interviews with him instead of the "heroic" Josh Hamilton.

 

And thanks anyway for giving me the right to have my own opinion. Very big of you.

Your post was dripping with the self-satisfaction of someone who is a better person than Hamilton. Whatever. Maybe you are, but only a self-absorbed prick couldn't get out of their head out of their own ass long enough to see what a good story Hamilton is. He gives hope to people everywhere. Jeff Allison is using Hamilton's example to try to get his own life straightened out. I guess he shouldn't be commended for trying to get straight either.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080306&content_id=2408668&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[Illini Iceman]

hamilton's story really bothers you?

 

i think it is a beautiful thing, i even teared up a bit listening to him on the all-star selection show, but that is probably because i identify with him since i was once a drug addict as well

 

honestly, to be at rock bottom and then claw your way back up to waking life is not easy and should definitely be applauded

 

This kind of sums up my opinion of Hamilton:

 

Hamilton is a great story, you know of a kid from a gritty background (no, wait he was middle class), who came from an abusive family (no, wait, they were very supportive) who fell victim to drug abuse (because he was bored while rehabbing an injury) who overcame all of that (made up) adversity to become a star. Look, I’m happy for him, but s**t, it was all his fault anyway.

 

http://www.desipio.com/?p=1490

 

I know, heaven forbid I quote Disipio on nsbb, isn't it like blaspemy or something?

 

Good for him he came back. But a lot of the media is making him into some kind of hero or something. He screwed his life up big time and now is back to where he would have been 5 years ago if he hadn't been stupid. Don't see why he gets more credit and attention than some guy that does it the right way and becomes a star without having to do the drug addict thing first.

That's a pretty asinine way of looking at the situation, but if it makes you feel better about yourself. Feel free.

 

Who said anything about how it makes me feel about myself? We are talking about how I feel about Josh Hamilton not being able to stay off drugs. Maybe if Grady Sizemore had spent most of his minor league career shooting heroin the media would be lining up to have interviews with him instead of the "heroic" Josh Hamilton.

 

And thanks anyway for giving me the right to have my own opinion. Very big of you.

Your post was dripping with the self-satisfaction of someone who is a better person than Hamilton. Whatever. Maybe you are, but only a self-absorbed prick couldn't get out of their head out of their own ass long enough to see what a good story Hamilton is. He gives hope to people everywhere. Jeff Allison is using Hamilton's example to try to get his own life straightened out. I guess he shouldn't be commended for trying to get straight either.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080306&content_id=2408668&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

 

I personally like the "story" of the guy that works hard, stays clean and makes it that way better than the "story" of a guy that does drugs, hurts a lot of people in the process, then later gets clean and makes it. But I guess that is only because I have the "self-satisfaction of someone who is a better person than Hamilton" and am a "self-absorbed prick".

 

Since obviously neither of those descriptions apply to you I find it surprising you have to resort to name calling to make your point. But now that I think about it, it does sort of seem to be a trend in your posts.

[CubinNY]

hamilton's story really bothers you?

 

i think it is a beautiful thing, i even teared up a bit listening to him on the all-star selection show, but that is probably because i identify with him since i was once a drug addict as well

 

honestly, to be at rock bottom and then claw your way back up to waking life is not easy and should definitely be applauded

 

This kind of sums up my opinion of Hamilton:

 

Hamilton is a great story, you know of a kid from a gritty background (no, wait he was middle class), who came from an abusive family (no, wait, they were very supportive) who fell victim to drug abuse (because he was bored while rehabbing an injury) who overcame all of that (made up) adversity to become a star. Look, I’m happy for him, but s**t, it was all his fault anyway.

 

http://www.desipio.com/?p=1490

 

I know, heaven forbid I quote Disipio on nsbb, isn't it like blaspemy or something?

 

Good for him he came back. But a lot of the media is making him into some kind of hero or something. He screwed his life up big time and now is back to where he would have been 5 years ago if he hadn't been stupid. Don't see why he gets more credit and attention than some guy that does it the right way and becomes a star without having to do the drug addict thing first.

That's a pretty asinine way of looking at the situation, but if it makes you feel better about yourself. Feel free.

 

Who said anything about how it makes me feel about myself? We are talking about how I feel about Josh Hamilton not being able to stay off drugs. Maybe if Grady Sizemore had spent most of his minor league career shooting heroin the media would be lining up to have interviews with him instead of the "heroic" Josh Hamilton.

 

And thanks anyway for giving me the right to have my own opinion. Very big of you.

Your post was dripping with the self-satisfaction of someone who is a better person than Hamilton. Whatever. Maybe you are, but only a self-absorbed prick couldn't get out of their head out of their own ass long enough to see what a good story Hamilton is. He gives hope to people everywhere. Jeff Allison is using Hamilton's example to try to get his own life straightened out. I guess he shouldn't be commended for trying to get straight either.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080306&content_id=2408668&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

 

I personally like the "story" of the guy that works hard, stays clean and makes it that way better than the "story" of a guy that does drugs, hurts a lot of people in the process, then later gets clean and makes it. But I guess that is only because I have the "self-satisfaction of someone who is a better person than Hamilton" and am a "self-absorbed prick".

 

Since obviously neither of those descriptions apply to you I find it surprising you have to resort to name calling to make your point. But now that I think about it, it does sort of seem to be a trend in your posts.

One thing has nothing to do with the other

 

Grady Sizemore doing well is not related to Hamilton whatsoever and vice versa. That's the thing. Both are great stories. Hamilton changing his life does nothing to diminish any other player. This is about Hamilton.

 

Finally, if the shoe fits...

[Derwood]

we should only be happy for recovered drug addicts if they had crappy lives

[badnews]

Maybe you are, but only a self-absorbed prick couldn't get out of their head out of their own ass long enough to see what a good story Hamilton is.

 

Hey, that's great. Everyone who disagrees with you is a "prick." Wonderful. I'm glad we had this discussion.

 

Here's a reason to me why this media love-in looks bogus. If Josh Hamilton plays in San Diego, there is no story. He's got no one to drive in and no park to inflate his numbers. But since he plays in Texas he's like John Henry and Paul Bunyan put together.

 

Your reaction really baffles me. This is why people are so frightened to question the media's sacred cows these days, because of all of this puffed up outrage people get hit with.

[CubinNY]

Maybe you are, but only a self-absorbed prick couldn't get out of their head out of their own ass long enough to see what a good story Hamilton is.

 

Hey, that's great. Everyone who disagrees with you is a "prick." Wonderful. I'm glad we had this discussion.

 

Here's a reason to me why this media love-in looks bogus. If Josh Hamilton plays in San Diego, there is no story. He's got no one to drive in and no park to inflate his numbers. But since he plays in Texas he's like John Henry and Paul Bunyan put together.

 

Your reaction really baffles me. This is why people are so frightened to question the media's sacred cows these days, because of all of this puffed up outrage people get hit with.

Baffles you? Your complaint about the situation is a little more legitimate, although I disagree. If Hamilton doesn't have the numbers he's not such a great story. However, complaining that celebrating an incredible life changing turnaround diminishes those who did it "the right" way is more than just stupid, it says something about the person who makes the complaint.

 

If you can't see the difference in the arguments here, that indeed is badnews.

[badnews]

Baffles you? Your complaint about the situation is a little more legitimate, although I disagree. If Hamilton doesn't have the numbers he's not such a great story. However, complaining that celebrating an incredible life changing turnaround diminishes those who did it "the right" way is more than just stupid, it says something about the person who makes the complaint.

 

It's the fact that you can't just disagree with people who don't share your opinion. You have to crush them, take potshots at their username, and make them out to be bad people. There's no need for the judgement on people who disagree with you.

 

Essentially it comes down to he's getting his ass kissed because he plays in Texas. That's the variable.

 

If we keep everything the same but he plays in San Diego, there's no Triple Crown madness, there's none of this.

 

So Josh Hamilton is Horatio Alger because he plays in Texas. Sorry, that's nonsense to me. I've been more on board with Kinsler who has better splits, but Hamilton? It's not just talk about the guy himself, now everyone says he's "an incredible ballplayer." He'd be "an incredible ballplayer" if he didn't have like a .300 point OPS split from home to road maybe.

 

Nobody celebrates that Jonny Gomes was homeless as a kid and had a heart attack at the age of 20 or something. In the grand scheme of things, no, Hamilton did not hit "rock bottom."

 

Pointing out this is media froth shouldn't get personal attacks in return. Go back and read my original post. We're talking about how the media has made him into a better baseball player than he is because of this.

[CubinNY]

Baffles you? Your complaint about the situation is a little more legitimate, although I disagree. If Hamilton doesn't have the numbers he's not such a great story. However, complaining that celebrating an incredible life changing turnaround diminishes those who did it "the right" way is more than just stupid, it says something about the person who makes the complaint.

 

It's the fact that you can't just disagree with people who don't share your opinion. You have to crush them, take potshots at their username, and make them out to be bad people. There's no need for the judgement on people who disagree with you.

 

Essentially it comes down to he's getting his ass kissed because he plays in Texas. That's the variable.

 

If we keep everything the same but he plays in San Diego, there's no Triple Crown madness, there's none of this.

 

So Josh Hamilton is Horatio Alger because he plays in Texas. Sorry, that's nonsense to me. I've been more on board with Kinsler who has better splits, but Hamilton? It's not just talk about the guy himself, now everyone says he's "an incredible ballplayer." He'd be "an incredible ballplayer" if he didn't have like a .300 point OPS split from home to road maybe.

 

Nobody celebrates that Jonny Gomes was homeless as a kid and had a heart attack at the age of 20 or something. In the grand scheme of things, no, Hamilton did not hit "rock bottom."

 

Pointing out this is media froth shouldn't get personal attacks in return. Go back and read my original post. We're talking about how the media has made him into a better baseball player than he is because of this.

 

How do I put this? Did you read my post? I've essentially agreed with you to some extent. The "media" doesn't understand splits. They understand that he has triple crown numbers. Really, who cares what his splits are? Should he be penalized for hitting in Arlington. Should MLB make a rule that all the numbers from Arlington be multiplied by .6 or something?

 

The media loves a good story and this is one.

[Sosa21MVP]

Josh Hamilton is a good story but of course, any good story will be beat to death by the media. That doesn't mean it isn't a good story anymore, it just means the media overkill might make a person gag. But I really can't see myself looking at the entirety of the Hamilton story and just saying "well who cares, he did it to himself anyways". True, he did put himself in the bad situation to begin with but good people can get drawn in by dark forces and when you have a very public example of an individual who managed to overcome a really bad situation and get back on his feet, it is a source of hope for others who are struggling with the same issues.

[17 Seconds]

The thing is, his numbers aren't really THAT great, he just has a ridiculous amount of RBIs so people assume he's been one of the top hitters this season. He has a .927 OPS right now. He's been very good, but not supernatural. A .927 OPS in that park isn't really that impressive.

[imb]

badnews has quickly become the worst poster on this entire board.

 

I can understand not caring about the story, but you're a little out there.

[Sosa21MVP]

badnews has quickly become the worst poster on this entire board.

 

I can understand not caring about the story, but you're a little out there.

 

QFT

[Vanilla Ice]

i was so angry during that 28 home run round i just went crazy and punched a hole in the wall