RIP Rich Hill

[Warren Brusstar]

*waits for the inevitable post that this is ALL Lou Piniella's/Larry Rothschild's fault*

[E.J.]

He was a good pitcher last year. I remember watching him pitch a wonderful game against the Braves. He had the ability to be solid. He will be missed.

 

RIP Mr. Hill. RIP.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

how did he die?

[JimSorgi]

how did he die?

The Cubs decided it was too depressing to see him this way, so they put him to sleep.

[SouthSideRyan]

*waits for the inevitable post that this is ALL Lou Piniella's/Larry Rothschild's fault*

 

I'll try. Rich has been viewed by the organization as a mentally fragile for quite some time. Their solution to dealing with a mentally fragile pitcher is to mess with his mechanics at the first sign of wildness in spring training. Thus getting a guy who's already thinking too much to think even more every time he takes the mound. After their tinkering didn't work, Lou decided to berate him and embarrass him by pulling him at the first sign of trouble, and never let him work out of any trouble he got into.

[wolf stansson]

Center field?

[Tyrant]

*waits for the inevitable post that this is ALL Lou Piniella's/Larry Rothschild's fault*

 

I'll try. Rich has been viewed by the organization as a mentally fragile for quite some time. Their solution to dealing with a mentally fragile pitcher is to mess with his mechanics at the first sign of wildness in spring training. Thus getting a guy who's already thinking too much to think even more every time he takes the mound. After their tinkering didn't work, Lou decided to berate him and embarrass him by pulling him at the first sign of trouble, and never let him work out of any trouble he got into.

 

So, do you actually believe that? Or were you just trying to tailor your post to the Lou/Rothschild thing?

[javy knows my name]

This might be an even more prolific collapse than Rick Ankiel. Not as high-profile, but it's totally mind-boggling.

Mixing and matching adjectives is fun

 

What? "Collapse" is a noun.

Yes. You should probably look up "prolific" in the dictionary. It makes absolutely no sense to describe a collapse as prolific.

 

You're right here. I meant to use "prodigious" and I ended up getting the words mixed up. Haven't had my coffee yet this morning.

 

I will go back and edit the post, as I want this particular Internet forum to uphold the highest standards of grammar and usage.

 

P.S. Regardless, you're kind of an [expletive].

Dude, chill. You sounded like you were trying to use words that were too big for you and I called you on it. BFD.

[moose]

I actually advocated we trade him because he's 28 and perhaps has more trade value than real value. Perhaps not. I wanted the cubs to try leverage him, pie, murton and marshall for someone like santana in the offseason, tho i dont think that would have been a strong enough trade to attract santana. Maybe we could still use him in a trade for Bedard? Say what you will about him, his stuff is a lot like Zambrano's.

 

CC might be impossible to get because of the yankees on the hunt for pitching. I'd accept a Burnett to replace marquis, but much rather have someone quality if he's supposed to replace sp3 or higher..

[imb]

I actually advocated we trade him because he's 28 and perhaps has more trade value than real value. Perhaps not. I wanted the cubs to try leverage him, pie, murton and marshall for someone like santana in the offseason, tho i dont think that would have been a strong enough trade to attract santana. Maybe we could still use him in a trade for Bedard? Say what you will about him, his stuff is a lot like Zambrano's.

 

CC might be impossible to get because of the yankees on the hunt for pitching. I'd accept a Burnett to replace marquis, but much rather have someone quality if he's supposed to replace sp3 or higher..

 

Are you talking about Hill or Bedard? Either way, neither one of them has stuff like Zambrano. I wouldn't mind buying low on Bedard, but I don't think the Cubs would even consider it what with all of the mess in Seattle.

[SouthSideRyan]

*waits for the inevitable post that this is ALL Lou Piniella's/Larry Rothschild's fault*

 

I'll try. Rich has been viewed by the organization as a mentally fragile for quite some time. Their solution to dealing with a mentally fragile pitcher is to mess with his mechanics at the first sign of wildness in spring training. Thus getting a guy who's already thinking too much to think even more every time he takes the mound. After their tinkering didn't work, Lou decided to berate him and embarrass him by pulling him at the first sign of trouble, and never let him work out of any trouble he got into.

 

So, do you actually believe that? Or were you just trying to tailor your post to the Lou/Rothschild thing?

 

I don't not believe it.

[NCCubFan]

If they do shut down Hill, what are the rostering options? Can they put him on the 60-day DL?

They probably could, and it could probably be retroactive to the last day he pitched in the minors (yesterday). That would open up a spot on the 40-man roster, but it also means that they couldn't bring him back up before 60 days if he suddenly gets it back again. He could probably pitch in the minors during that time as a rehabilitation assignment.

[Warren Brusstar]

*waits for the inevitable post that this is ALL Lou Piniella's/Larry Rothschild's fault*

 

I'll try. Rich has been viewed by the organization as a mentally fragile for quite some time. Their solution to dealing with a mentally fragile pitcher is to mess with his mechanics at the first sign of wildness in spring training. Thus getting a guy who's already thinking too much to think even more every time he takes the mound. After their tinkering didn't work, Lou decided to berate him and embarrass him by pulling him at the first sign of trouble, and never let him work out of any trouble he got into.

 

If he is so mentally weak that the slighest pushback from Lou/Larry caused this, isn't it likely that any adversity would eventually have ruined him?

[rickrolled]

read the title and actually thought rich hill was dead

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Someone needs to introduce Rich Hill to the concept of a "slump buster." Someone get Mark Grace on the horn. Have him pick up two bottles of bourbon and meet Rich in Lincoln Park for a night on the town.

[soapy]

*waits for the inevitable post that this is ALL Lou Piniella's/Larry Rothschild's fault*

 

I'll try. Rich has been viewed by the organization as a mentally fragile for quite some time. Their solution to dealing with a mentally fragile pitcher is to mess with his mechanics at the first sign of wildness in spring training. Thus getting a guy who's already thinking too much to think even more every time he takes the mound. After their tinkering didn't work, Lou decided to berate him and embarrass him by pulling him at the first sign of trouble, and never let him work out of any trouble he got into.

 

i thought they were tweeking his mechanics to make him quicker to home plate. regardless, whatever role lou and rothschild played, i find it hard to ultimately blame them for the most part.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'd still take the corpse of Rich Hill over Jason Marquis.

 

Or, better yet, Zombie Rich Hill.

[moose]

Marquis needs to be fired...out of a cannon. ASAP! Worst pitcher ever!

 

So I said, when we picked up Edmonds "nothing can stop the cubs except washed up cardinals players" but damn. Edmonds jacked another HR tonight to put his OPS>1 and slash stats above the 300/400/500 mark.

 

LOL to thinking hill was dead.

 

Lets get bedard NOW. I think CCs out of the cards

[Laura]

Cubs say that he's doing better than the box score indicates.

 

Bruce Miles / The Daily Herald[/url]"]

 

Cubs people say struggling lefty Rich Hill will not be shut down, as Lou Piniella stated might happen Tuesday.

 

"We're going to keep him on the same path," Jim Hendry said.

 

Cubs people in Arizona who witnessed Hill's start Tuesday said he threw better than the numbers indicated. Hill lasted only one-third of an inning, giving up 1 hit and 5 runs (3 earned) while walking three and hitting a batter.

 

Observers said Hill's curveball may have fooled the Rookie League umpire. Cubs people say Hill remains upbeat mentally.

 

Hill went from the big leagues to Class AAA Iowa in early May after battling command issues since spring training.

[soapy]

Cubs say that he's doing better than the box score indicates.

 

Bruce Miles / The Daily Herald[/url]"]

 

Cubs people say struggling lefty Rich Hill will not be shut down, as Lou Piniella stated might happen Tuesday.

 

"We're going to keep him on the same path," Jim Hendry said.

 

Cubs people in Arizona who witnessed Hill's start Tuesday said he threw better than the numbers indicated. Hill lasted only one-third of an inning, giving up 1 hit and 5 runs (3 earned) while walking three and hitting a batter.

 

Observers said Hill's curveball may have fooled the Rookie League umpire. Cubs people say Hill remains upbeat mentally.

 

Hill went from the big leagues to Class AAA Iowa in early May after battling command issues since spring training.

 

hahahaha....holy spin, batman!

[Banedon]

Well now I just don't know what to think.

 

If he's doing well, then how about putting him somewhere where the umps are able to call balls and strikes?

[abuck1220]

i don't know how he could upbeat mentally.

[Jon]

If they felt he's close to the strikezone, it probably wouldn't make much sense to alter his work right now. Progress, no matter how small, is a positive right now.

 

And I'm inclined to believe Hendry considering what they've said publicly about Hill in the past.

[abuck1220]

if they can sit there with a straight face and say he was getting squeezed by the ump (whether it's true or not), i think it's safe to assume he wasn't throwing balls behind hitters and six feet over the catcher's head. so that's something.

 

also, i'm sure part of the reason he was pulled was because of a pitch count.

[C.C.]

It's sad that the only positive to come out of this last start is his curve ball might be fooling the ump?!?!?! Seriously? Man oh man...This is getting worse and worse.