Gammons on the Cubs

[davearm2]

C'mon now. If they trade Sabathia, then they're giving up. You don't trade your ace unless/until you're packing it in.

 

They're also basically giving up any hope of re-signing him, too.

 

Bottom line is looking at the situation as draft picks vs. guys gotten by trade is oversimplifying, as it ignores several other key elements in the decision.

Well, it's pretty assumed around the league that they won't resign him. Maybe i'm jumping the gun, but I feel pretty confident in saying they won't agree with anything in the neighborhood of what CC's agent wants.

IIRC Sabathia has come out and said that he likes it in Cleveland and would like to work out a deal to stay. I think you probably are jumping the gun.

[Post Count Padder]

I think Burnett is fairly likely. I actually heard the Yankees have interest in Paul Byrd and Randy Wolf and won't try and trade for Sabathia.

[Guest]

C'mon now. If they trade Sabathia, then they're giving up. You don't trade your ace unless/until you're packing it in.

 

They're also basically giving up any hope of re-signing him, too.

 

Bottom line is looking at the situation as draft picks vs. guys gotten by trade is oversimplifying, as it ignores several other key elements in the decision.

Well, it's pretty assumed around the league that they won't resign him. Maybe i'm jumping the gun, but I feel pretty confident in saying they won't agree with anything in the neighborhood of what CC's agent wants.

IIRC Sabathia has come out and said that he likes it in Cleveland and would like to work out a deal to stay. I think you probably are jumping the gun.

 

It all depends on how much money he demands. Cleveland isn't likely to pay him Santana or even Zito money and if he wants $20M per year, he's going to have to go elsewhere.

[RedFlash]

I think Burnett is fairly likely. I actually heard the Yankees have interest in Paul Byrd and Randy Wolf and won't try and trade for Sabathia.

 

I don't buy that. Hank Steinbrenner isn't going to sit by and watch CC Sabathia go to another team. Not after watching the Mets grab Johan Santana. If George, Jr wants (I know his name is Hank, by you might as well call him George, Jr) to go after CC, then Cashman is nothing more then a figurehead. I see the Yankees making a play for CC.

[badnews]

People don't seem to understand that the Indians don't have to sell and probably won't to make a run at the World Series. I don't understand what kind of fantasy world some message board fans are living in. The Cleveland Indians are 3 games out at the deadline, and they trade Sabathia for a pile of scrap "because they can't resign him." So? They could make a legitimate run for it and get draft picks back.

 

I'm a little dubious the Yankees will trade for Sabathia. For one thing, it will look like they're giving up nearly as much for Sabathia as for the superior Santana, and that won't look good. Second, if they trade for him, they'll be expected to sign him long term, and I can't see the Yankees do that. The Yankees put a very high premium on conditioning and athleticism (believe it or not, from some of their players) and a guy as fat as Sabathia may be fine now but at 31-32 he's going to be trouble. I don't think the Yankees are going to buy into the idea that this guy deserves a 6 year, $120 million payday.

 

Who do the Yankees trade for Sabathia? I know a lot of people won't agree with me, but I SELL, SELL, SELL on Tabata and Kennedy. I don't like either of them much. I think you could come away with two better guys on your draft picks. You look at their prospects who have some track record, and the guy that really jumps out at you is Austin Jackson. But how do you trade for Sabathia and not get pitching back? I mean, Alan Horne, is that your big chip? I don't know, I actually haven't been paying much attention to the Yankees lately. Jackson is pretty neat though but I think you'd have to get better pitching back.

[David]

Why does everyone always talk about the Yankees like they go out and get everyone?

 

What was the last major acquisition they made? ARod over 4 years ago? Am I mistaken?

[badnews]

Why does everyone always talk about the Yankees like they go out and get everyone?

 

What was the last major acquisition they made? ARod over 4 years ago? Am I mistaken?

 

No, what about Carlos Beltran, Johan Santana, Mark Teixeira, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Yu Darvish, Ted Lilly, K-Rod, Pedro Martinez, they got them all.

[Omar]

Roger Clemens.

[David]

Roger Clemens.

 

Meh.

[RedFlash]

Why does everyone always talk about the Yankees like they go out and get everyone?

 

What was the last major acquisition they made? ARod over 4 years ago? Am I mistaken?

 

I know I didn't say the Yankees go out and get everyone they wanted. So, whoever you are talking about, I know it's not me. All I know is this.....Steinbrenner wanted Santana, and my understanding is that Cashman wasn't sure trading Kennedy and/or Hughes was beneficial for the org. Maybe Cashman is right, but let me ask you this; A 2 time Cy Young award winner, or two pitchers who may or may not ever reach their potential?

 

The simple truth is this, just because the Yankees have no got who they wanted recently, doesn't mean they haven't tried to get those players. So, I still see Steinbrenner overstepping his boundaries, and making a play for CC. Now will Cleveland move CC? Now that's the question. But I am pretty sure the Yankees will be in on the CC hunt.

[Jehrico]

Why does everyone always talk about the Yankees like they go out and get everyone?

 

What was the last major acquisition they made? ARod over 4 years ago? Am I mistaken?

That's what they used to do. Perception lags reality. In this case, it's lagging it by about half a decade.

[Backtobanks]

Why does everyone always talk about the Yankees like they go out and get everyone?

 

What was the last major acquisition they made? ARod over 4 years ago? Am I mistaken?

 

I know I didn't say the Yankees go out and get everyone they wanted. So, whoever you are talking about, I know it's not me. All I know is this.....Steinbrenner wanted Santana, and my understanding is that Cashman wasn't sure trading Kennedy and/or Hughes was beneficial for the org. Maybe Cashman is right, but let me ask you this; A 2 time Cy Young award winner, or two pitchers who may or may not ever reach their potential?

 

The simple truth is this, just because the Yankees have no got who they wanted recently, doesn't mean they haven't tried to get those players. So, I still see Steinbrenner overstepping his boundaries, and making a play for CC. Now will Cleveland move CC? Now that's the question. But I am pretty sure the Yankees will be in on the CC hunt.

 

The Yankees just lost their ace for the season, they will go after Sabathia.

[davearm2]

Why does everyone always talk about the Yankees like they go out and get everyone?

 

What was the last major acquisition they made? ARod over 4 years ago? Am I mistaken?

Clemens

Abreu

Damon

Pettitte

 

And if they haven't been buying up the stars quite as much recently, it'd be in large part because the ones they bought up awhile ago are still with them (Giambi, Matsui, ARod).

 

Looking only at the 8-figure guys whose contracts are up this year you've got:

Giambi (21M)

Abreu (16M)

Pettitte (16M)

Pavano (11M)

Mussina (11M)

 

If you don't think Hank and the Yanks are going to be throwing wads of cash around this winter with all of those salaries they're shedding, well...

[Backtobanks]

Why does everyone always talk about the Yankees like they go out and get everyone?

 

What was the last major acquisition they made? ARod over 4 years ago? Am I mistaken?

Clemens

Abreu

Damon

Pettitte

 

And if they haven't been buying up the stars quite as much recently, it'd be in large part because the ones they bought up awhile ago are still with them (Giambi, Matsui, ARod).

 

Looking only at the 8-figure guys whose contracts are up this year you've got:

Giambi (21M)

Abreu (16M)

Pettitte (16M)

Pavano (11M)

Mussina (11M)

 

If you don't think Hank and the Yanks are going to be throwing wads of cash around this winter with all of those salaries they're shedding, well...

 

Especially if they don't make the playoffs.

[RedFlash]

Why does everyone always talk about the Yankees like they go out and get everyone?

 

What was the last major acquisition they made? ARod over 4 years ago? Am I mistaken?

 

I know I didn't say the Yankees go out and get everyone they wanted. So, whoever you are talking about, I know it's not me. All I know is this.....Steinbrenner wanted Santana, and my understanding is that Cashman wasn't sure trading Kennedy and/or Hughes was beneficial for the org. Maybe Cashman is right, but let me ask you this; A 2 time Cy Young award winner, or two pitchers who may or may not ever reach their potential?

 

The simple truth is this, just because the Yankees have no got who they wanted recently, doesn't mean they haven't tried to get those players. So, I still see Steinbrenner overstepping his boundaries, and making a play for CC. Now will Cleveland move CC? Now that's the question. But I am pretty sure the Yankees will be in on the CC hunt.

 

The Yankees just lost their ace for the season, they will go after Sabathia.

 

And if I was Shapiro, I would ask for two of Kennedy/Tabata/Hughes, plus another solid prospect.

[XZero771679666304]

If Steinbrenner had more brains than balls (which clearly isn't the case), he have Cashman try and unload as many players as he could not named ARod, Jeter, Cano, Chamberlain, Wang, Hughes and Kennedy. Clearly the cost/production ratio hasn't been even decent for a couple of years now. They should scrap the season (I don't like their chances of making the postseason at all), keep the core and retool.

[RedFlash]

If Steinbrenner had more brains than balls (which clearly isn't the case), he have Cashman try and unload as many players as he could not named ARod, Jeter, Cano, Chamberlain, Wang, Hughes and Kennedy. Clearly the cost/production ratio hasn't been even decent for a couple of years now. They should scrap the season (I don't like their chances of making the postseason at all), keep the core and retool.

 

And Steinbrenner doesn't have any brains, considering he said that is was the "NL fault" that Wang got injured while RUNNING the bases. So we know, Hank isn't playing with a full deck. In fact, I could see Hank preventing the Yanks from winning another WS for a LOOOOOONG time.

[Backtobanks]

If Steinbrenner had more brains than balls (which clearly isn't the case), he have Cashman try and unload as many players as he could not named ARod, Jeter, Cano, Chamberlain, Wang, Hughes and Kennedy. Clearly the cost/production ratio hasn't been even decent for a couple of years now. They should scrap the season (I don't like their chances of making the postseason at all), keep the core and retool.

 

And Steinbrenner doesn't have any brains, considering he said that is was the "NL fault" that Wang got injured while RUNNING the bases. So we know, Hank isn't playing with a full deck. In fact, I could see Hank preventing the Yanks from winning another WS for a LOOOOOONG time.

 

Maybe Lou is trying to solve the rotation problem by using Marquis as a pinch runner.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Maybe we could convince Hank that trading for Marquis will solve his pitching problems... :-"

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

Maybe we could convince Hank that trading for Marquis will solve his pitching problems... :-"

 

Though I'm not sure what I'd like coming back from NY in that scenario, between this and Marquis running the bases in pinch situations, thumbs up to the cagey posters here on this board.

 

Separatley, and more relevantly, has anyone heard a scenario for what Beane would ask for in exchange for Harden?