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Brandon Webb taken out of tonight's game vs. the Mets after being hit in the hip with a line drive.

 

Dang. What is with all these players getting injured lately?

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Ludwick insists his OPS is too low, and homers again.

Ryan Ludwick, the nearly 30 year old career minor leaguer, is the greatest player of all time.

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To be fair, Ludwick was considered to be a pretty good prospect at one time but kept getting injured. It's not like he was some scrub that is now on pace to hit 40 homeruns.
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To be fair, Ludwick was considered to be a pretty good prospect at one time but kept getting injured. It's not like he was some scrub that is now on pace to hit 40 homeruns.

I don't care if he 'kept getting injured', he'd never OPS'd even .900 in a season at any level and now he's OPSing nearly 1.100 when he will turn 30 in a month. It's a load of crap any way you slice it.

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Cards go up 8-0 with Ryan knocking in a RBI

Braden Looper is hitting .385.

 

He's 1/4 tonight, though - it was .409 entering tonight.

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To be fair, Ludwick was considered to be a pretty good prospect at one time but kept getting injured. It's not like he was some scrub that is now on pace to hit 40 homeruns.

I don't care if he 'kept getting injured', he'd never OPS'd even .900 in a season at any level and now he's OPSing nearly 1.100 when he will turn 30 in a month. It's a load of crap any way you slice it.

 

Becareful with that argument. D Lee went multiple seasons without an OPS over .900 and about the same age posted an OPS of 1.1. Were you calling that a load of crap? Obviously Ludwick isn't as good as Lee, and he won't end up with an OPS of 1.1. But he could still end up at .9-1.0

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To be fair, Ludwick was considered to be a pretty good prospect at one time but kept getting injured. It's not like he was some scrub that is now on pace to hit 40 homeruns.

I don't care if he 'kept getting injured', he'd never OPS'd even .900 in a season at any level and now he's OPSing nearly 1.100 when he will turn 30 in a month. It's a load of crap any way you slice it.

 

Becareful with that argument. D Lee went multiple seasons without an OPS over .900 and about the same age posted an OPS of 1.1. Were you calling that a load of crap? Obviously Ludwick isn't as good as Lee, and he won't end up with an OPS of 1.1. But he could still end up at .9-1.0

Derrek Lee made a tangible improvement to his game - learning to hit (especially to pull) the inside pitch. He also had consistent OPS's above .850 at the big league level. Ludwick had been below .850 every full season (more than 200 ABs) he had played since two good years in 2002 and 2003 (which, admittedly, I messed up, he OPS'd in the low 900's in both those years but were still in the minors and not the majors).

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To be fair, Ludwick was considered to be a pretty good prospect at one time but kept getting injured. It's not like he was some scrub that is now on pace to hit 40 homeruns.

I don't care if he 'kept getting injured', he'd never OPS'd even .900 in a season at any level and now he's OPSing nearly 1.100 when he will turn 30 in a month. It's a load of crap any way you slice it.

 

Becareful with that argument. D Lee went multiple seasons without an OPS over .900 and about the same age posted an OPS of 1.1. Were you calling that a load of crap? Obviously Ludwick isn't as good as Lee, and he won't end up with an OPS of 1.1. But he could still end up at .9-1.0

Derrek Lee made a tangible improvement to his game - learning to hit (especially to pull) the inside pitch. He also had consistent OPS's above .850 at the big league level. Ludwick had been below .850 every full season (more than 200 ABs) he had played since two good years in 2002 and 2003 (which, admittedly, I messed up, he OPS'd in the low 900's in both those years but were still in the minors and not the majors).

 

And now that Ludwick is healthy he is making tangible improvements to his game. I've already admitted that he won't keep up the pace, but it's not like he a .700-.800 OPS guy either. He is somewhere in between, which is still pretty good.

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So now that we have established that Ludwick is the greatest thing since sliced bread, anyone care to explain Todd Wellemeyer and Skip Schumaker's success?
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So now that we have established that Ludwick is the greatest thing since sliced bread, anyone care to explain Todd Wellemeyer and Skip Schumaker's success?

 

Schumaker had a OPS+ of 111 with 177 at bats last year. This year his OPS+ is 110 with 210 at bats. He was a 5th round pick, so he was somewhat highly thought of coming out of college. Nothing really out of the ordinary with his numbers.

 

Wellemeyer was a 4th round selection by the Cubs in 2000, so he was thought highly of as well. He never had a MLB start until last year, so maybe he's one of those guys that just prefers starting as well. He won't keep up his pace either, but could be a good 3rd or 4th rotation pitcher. Ludwick and Wellemeyer will probably fall off somewhat, and Schumaker will probably stay at his current pace.

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To be fair, Ludwick was considered to be a pretty good prospect at one time but kept getting injured. It's not like he was some scrub that is now on pace to hit 40 homeruns.

I don't care if he 'kept getting injured', he'd never OPS'd even .900 in a season at any level and now he's OPSing nearly 1.100 when he will turn 30 in a month. It's a load of crap any way you slice it.

 

Becareful with that argument. D Lee went multiple seasons without an OPS over .900 and about the same age posted an OPS of 1.1. Were you calling that a load of crap? Obviously Ludwick isn't as good as Lee, and he won't end up with an OPS of 1.1. But he could still end up at .9-1.0

 

Are you really comparing Lee's pre-2005 performance to Ludwick's pre-2008 performance? Really?

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Ironic that we still complain about the Cardinals' luck with players on the night Ryan Dempster is lowering his ERA to 2.69 and counting.

 

The night following the day where Rich Hill continues to forget where home plate is.

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A 10-0 win the night after Pujols get s his first serious injury. I've never thought of terrorism before but anyone want to help me blow up the new Busch?
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Really, though, where these guys were drafted has very little relevance. Or maybe none at all.

 

If that's what you want to believe then go ahead. But teams don't put in a lot of money into the draft for nothing.

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A 10-0 win the night after Pujols get s his first serious injury. I've never thought of terrorism before but anyone want to help me blow up the new Busch?

 

Game was in Cinci.

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A 10-0 win the night after Pujols get s his first serious injury. I've never thought of terrorism before but anyone want to help me blow up the new Busch?

 

For that comment, I hope you get searched and poked and prodded as much by airport security as my brown ass does.

 

I don't care if you're joking or not, these types of comments aren't tolerated here. Read this.

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Really, though, where these guys were drafted has very little relevance. Or maybe none at all.

 

If that's what you want to believe then go ahead. But teams don't put in a lot of money into the draft for nothing.

 

And the draft is still a crapshoot. There been great picks early (Arod/Chipper, etc, etc) and great picks late (Piazza). There been plenty of "highly thought of players" draft high, who busted. So just because they were "once highly thought of" doesn't mean anything.

 

With that said, guys like Luis Gonzalez (4th rd/88 draft), Steve Finley (11th rd/86 draft), Edgar Martinez, all developed late in their careers. So as much moaning and groaning we can have over players like Ryan Ludwick having, in essence, a career yr, it could also means he might finally be putting it together. Personally, I'm hoping it's a career yr, and he struggles---like his teammates---without Pujols.

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Phillies-Marlins

 

Top of the ninth, the Phillies have just singled in the tying run...it's 2-1.

 

Phillies single, walk, steal third, k, run scores on fc, wild pitch, IBB, HBP...

 

Bases loaded, game tied 2-2, 2 outs, Jason Werth strides to the plate....

 

He bunts out to end the inning. He said he noticed the 3rd baseman was playing back and was trying to surprise him.

 

Marlins win on a walk off grand slam in the bottom of the inning.

 

 

 

 

That was a Neifi Perez style play there.

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