Interleague Batting Order/Lineup

[apete6]

IMO, Here's what we might see in Toronto/Tampa/Cell:

 

vs. LHP

 

Soriano LF

Theriot SS

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Soto DH (to get a few days off from C)

Fukudome RF

DeRosa 2B

Blanco C

Johnson CF

 

vs. RHP

 

Soriano LF

Theriot SS

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Fukudome RF

Soto C

Edmonds CF

Hoffpauir/Ward DH

DeRosa/Cedeno 2B

 

It's nice to have a good team!!!

[biittner77]

Seeing as how Lee just got a day off, it's a safe bet he won't DH. I think Ramirez will DH one game and Soto one game with either Ward or Hoffpauir getting the rest of those starts.

 

It would be nice to get Soto some time off from catching but he's pretty important defensively too.

[CuseCubFan69]

Yeah, the days of having Macias be your DH are hopefully a thing of the past.

[UMFan83]

Man if Cedeno can't even get consistent ABs with a 10th player added its criminal.

[Derwood]

if Soriano is feeling gimpy, he might DH

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, I'd bet some money that Soriano gets a game at DH.

[CubColtPacer]

IMO, Here's what we might see in Toronto/Tampa/Cell:

 

vs. LHP

 

Soriano LF

Theriot SS

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Soto DH (to get a few days off from C)

Fukudome RF

DeRosa 2B

Blanco C

Johnson CF

 

vs. RHP

 

Soriano LF

Theriot SS

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Fukudome RF

Soto C

Edmonds CF

Hoffpauir/Ward DH

DeRosa/Cedeno 2B

 

It's nice to have a good team!!!

 

I think you'll see Ward/Hoffpauir in the 5th spot against right-handers. You might also see a lineup 1 day where Cedeno is in at SS batting 9th. That would make Fukudome 2nd, Ward 5th, Soto 6th, Edmonds 7th, and DeRosa 8th.

 

If Blanco does play, he'll almost certainly bat 9th. I think Cedeno would also get a start at 2nd against one of the left-handers (DeRosa to LF, Soriano to DH) although considering Cedeno's splits in the major leagues, that's not particularly good for him.

 

Cedeno's numbers have continued to fall off, and his peripherals indicate that they will continue to fall (although his good ISOD pretty much prevents him from falling to 2006 levels). I don't see the concern with him getting consistent at-bats right now.

[BleacherBadger]

Yeah, I'd bet some money that Soriano gets a game at DH.

 

3rd. Kinda a tell-tale sign with him getting yanked late in games. DeRosa could see some time in OF if need be, if not the Hoff.

[B]

I'd like to see Soto and Soriano getting most of the days at DH. Soto needs some time off from catching. I don't think there is a big drop in defense from Soto to Blanco.

[Tracer Bullet]

Cedeno's numbers have continued to fall off, and his peripherals indicate that they will continue to fall (although his good ISOD pretty much prevents him from falling to 2006 levels). I don't see the concern with him getting consistent at-bats right now.

 

You mean a young player who gets a handful of ABs each week, often in a pitch-hitting role, isn't excelling? No!

[chuckywang]

Yeah, the days of having Macias be your DH are hopefully a thing of the past.

 

We might be the only team in history to have the DH bat first.

[CubColtPacer]

Cedeno's numbers have continued to fall off, and his peripherals indicate that they will continue to fall (although his good ISOD pretty much prevents him from falling to 2006 levels). I don't see the concern with him getting consistent at-bats right now.

 

You mean a young player who gets a handful of ABs each week, often in a pitch-hitting role, isn't excelling? No!

 

I'm just saying that for those people who say that the season he has had right now is the reason he should be getting at-bats. If you throw out Cedeno's second month on the basis that he's not getting regular at-bats, it's hard not to throw out the first month on a similar basis. He played a little less sporadically in April, but where is the line to be drawn?

 

The only debate is between him and Theriot. There is no way that we should put Theriot and Cedeno together, even in the interleague lineup, on a regular basis without some injuries. That's why I was countering the argument that UMfan stated that:

 

Man if Cedeno can't even get consistent ABs with a 10th player added its criminal.

 

It's simply not. If Theriot gets put in the lineup (and it's certainly not criminal that he's in over Cedeno right now) then Cedeno does not have a spot other then being a spot starter. Cedeno's not the best hitter on the bench that would be the logical choice to put in during a DH situation, and there's an argument to if he's even the second best hitter on the bench.

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Cedeno's numbers have continued to fall off, and his peripherals indicate that they will continue to fall (although his good ISOD pretty much prevents him from falling to 2006 levels). I don't see the concern with him getting consistent at-bats right now.

 

You mean a young player who gets a handful of ABs each week, often in a pitch-hitting role, isn't excelling? No!

 

I'm just saying that for those people who say that the season he has had right now is the reason he should be getting at-bats. If you throw out Cedeno's second month on the basis that he's not getting regular at-bats, it's hard not to throw out the first month on a similar basis. He played only slightly less sporadically in April then he did in May.

 

The only debate is between him and Theriot. There is no way that we should put Theriot and Cedeno together, even in the interleague lineup, on a regular basis without some injuries. That's why I was countering the argument that UMfan stated that:

 

Man if Cedeno can't even get consistent ABs with a 10th player added its criminal.

 

It's simply not. If Theriot gets put in the lineup (and it's certainly not criminal that he's in over Cedeno right now) then Cedeno does not have a spot other then being a spot starter. Cedeno's not the best hitter on the bench that would be the logical choice to put in during a DH situation, and there's an argument to if he's even the second best hitter on the bench.

 

I don't really want to get into the Cedeno/Theriot yet again. But people had issues with Cedeno's pro career before this year. When he put together a great start in sporadic time, that still wasn't enough. The fact that he didn't keep up those numbers in even more sporadic ABs shouldn't surprise anyone.

 

I don't contend Cedeno should start based on his 1 great month this season. But to suggest that his ABs were as sporadic in April as they were in May is just wrong. During Soriano's injury, Cedeno had a stretch where he had at least 3 ABs in 8 out of 9 games. Those were 33 of the 45 ABs he had in May - 33 ABs in 9 game w/ just 1 day off is regular playing time. He had 13 hits, including 4 doubles and a HR, and 2 BBs during that time.

 

In April, Theriot was also very good in both OBP and SLG (not as good as Cedeno in either, but very good). Since then, Theriot's power numbers have plummeted so he was at about .400/.340/.740 for the month of May. I'll take that OBP from Theriot and I'd much rather have the .400/.340 line than vice versa from him. But I don't think it's fair to say Cedeno got the same opportunities in May that he had in April, so comparing the numbers without context is horribly misleading.

[CubColtPacer]

Cedeno's numbers have continued to fall off, and his peripherals indicate that they will continue to fall (although his good ISOD pretty much prevents him from falling to 2006 levels). I don't see the concern with him getting consistent at-bats right now.

 

You mean a young player who gets a handful of ABs each week, often in a pitch-hitting role, isn't excelling? No!

 

I'm just saying that for those people who say that the season he has had right now is the reason he should be getting at-bats. If you throw out Cedeno's second month on the basis that he's not getting regular at-bats, it's hard not to throw out the first month on a similar basis. He played only slightly less sporadically in April then he did in May.

 

The only debate is between him and Theriot. There is no way that we should put Theriot and Cedeno together, even in the interleague lineup, on a regular basis without some injuries. That's why I was countering the argument that UMfan stated that:

 

Man if Cedeno can't even get consistent ABs with a 10th player added its criminal.

 

It's simply not. If Theriot gets put in the lineup (and it's certainly not criminal that he's in over Cedeno right now) then Cedeno does not have a spot other then being a spot starter. Cedeno's not the best hitter on the bench that would be the logical choice to put in during a DH situation, and there's an argument to if he's even the second best hitter on the bench.

 

I don't really want to get into the Cedeno/Theriot yet again. But people had issues with Cedeno's pro career before this year. When he put together a great start in sporadic time, that still wasn't enough. The fact that he didn't keep up those numbers in even more sporadic ABs shouldn't surprise anyone.

 

I don't contend Cedeno should start based on his 1 great month this season. But to suggest that his ABs were as sporadic in April as they were in May is just wrong. During Soriano's injury, Cedeno had a stretch where he had at least 3 ABs in 8 out of 9 games. Those were 33 of the 45 ABs he had in May - 33 ABs in 9 game w/ just 1 day off is regular playing time. He had 13 hits, including 4 doubles and a HR, and 2 BBs during that time.

 

In April, Theriot was also very good in both OBP and SLG (not as good as Cedeno in either, but very good). Since then, Theriot's power numbers have plummeted so he was at about .400/.340/.740 for the month of May. I'll take that OBP from Theriot and I'd much rather have the .400/.340 line than vice versa from him. But I don't think it's fair to say Cedeno got the same opportunities in May that he had in April, so comparing the numbers without context is horribly misleading.

 

True, but Cedeno didn't have much time before that or after that in April, while in May he had a 2 day, then a 3 out of 4 day, then a 3 out of 5 days where he had at least 3 at-bats. It was a little more split, but it was definitely less sporadic then him just getting 1 start every 6 days, and he only finished with 6 less plate appearances than he did in April.

 

The thing about bench players is that they're typically going to get more starts when they're hot, especially with a manger like Lou. Injuries play a factor in that as well (sometimes players are pressed in service even when they're cold, and sometimes players get hot and are blocked by other hot players) If Cedeno hadn't outperformed what Fontenot had did in April in the first couple games of his big stretch, he never would have gotten to start 8 out of 9 games.

Did Cedeno get more starts in April because he was hot, or was he hot because he got more starts? Did he go cold in May because of a lack of playing time, or did he not get more than a couple starts in a row because he didn't do anything in those 2 games? It's a tough conundrum to answer, and I don't think it's fair to say that he didn't do anything in May because of lack of playing time when in April the very reason he got more playing time was because he was hitting better to begin with.

[Anomalied]

Hmm, there's a lot of possibilities... Against lefties I'd go with...

 

1. Alfonso Soriano (DH)

2. Ryan Theriot (SS)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Geovany Soto ©

6. Kosuke Fukudome (RF)

7. Mark DeRosa (LF)

8. Ronny Cedeno (2B)

9. Reed Johnson (CF)

 

Against righties...

 

1. Alfonso Soriano (LF)

2. Kosuke Fukudome (RF)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Geovany Soto ©

6. Daryle Ward / Micah Hoffpauier (DH)

7. Mark DeRosa (2B)

8. Jim Edmonds (CF)

9. Ryan Theriot (SS)

 

This team is so good that you can keep mixing and matching and still come up with a very strong lineup.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I like Blanco catching with Soto DHing against LHP. Neither he nor Cedeno have a platoon split, and the benefit of keeping Soto fresh outweighs the slight benefit of Cedeno getting extra AB's.

[Abe Frohman]

Lineup against RHP:

 

RF Fukudome

SS Theriot

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

LF Soriano

CA Soto

DH Hoffpauier

2B DeRosa

CF Edmonds

 

Lineup against LHP:

 

CF Johnson

SS Theriot

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

LF Soriano

CA Soto

RF Fukudome

2B DeRosa

DH Murton (call him up)

[Tracer Bullet]

I don't really want to get into the Cedeno/Theriot yet again. But people had issues with Cedeno's pro career before this year. When he put together a great start in sporadic time, that still wasn't enough. The fact that he didn't keep up those numbers in even more sporadic ABs shouldn't surprise anyone.

 

I don't contend Cedeno should start based on his 1 great month this season. But to suggest that his ABs were as sporadic in April as they were in May is just wrong. During Soriano's injury, Cedeno had a stretch where he had at least 3 ABs in 8 out of 9 games. Those were 33 of the 45 ABs he had in May - 33 ABs in 9 game w/ just 1 day off is regular playing time. He had 13 hits, including 4 doubles and a HR, and 2 BBs during that time.

 

In April, Theriot was also very good in both OBP and SLG (not as good as Cedeno in either, but very good). Since then, Theriot's power numbers have plummeted so he was at about .400/.340/.740 for the month of May. I'll take that OBP from Theriot and I'd much rather have the .400/.340 line than vice versa from him. But I don't think it's fair to say Cedeno got the same opportunities in May that he had in April, so comparing the numbers without context is horribly misleading.

 

True, but Cedeno didn't have much time before that or after that in April, while in May he had a 2 day, then a 3 out of 4 day, then a 3 out of 5 days where he had at least 3 at-bats. It was a little more split, but it was definitely less sporadic then him just getting 1 start every 6 days, and he only finished with 6 less plate appearances than he did in April.

 

The thing about bench players is that they're typically going to get more starts when they're hot, especially with a manger like Lou. Injuries play a factor in that as well (sometimes players are pressed in service even when they're cold, and sometimes players get hot and are blocked by other hot players) If Cedeno hadn't outperformed what Fontenot had did in April in the first couple games of his big stretch, he never would have gotten to start 8 out of 9 games.

Did Cedeno get more starts in April because he was hot, or was he hot because he got more starts? Did he go cold in May because of a lack of playing time, or did he not get more than a couple starts in a row because he didn't do anything in those 2 games? It's a tough conundrum to answer, and I don't think it's fair to say that he didn't do anything in May because of lack of playing time when in April the very reason he got more playing time was because he was hitting better to begin with.

 

That's very circular reasoning.

[Skyballer]

Yeah, the days of having Macias be your DH are hopefully a thing of the past.

 

We might be the only team in history to have the DH bat first.

Yankees with Damon, no?

[biittner77]

Yeah, the days of having Macias be your DH are hopefully a thing of the past.

 

We might be the only team in history to have the DH bat first.

Yankees with Damon, no?

 

That guy that played for the Blue Jays and is now in the HOF