Should Theriot go back to leading off?

[Mizzou]

We probably shouldn't be looking at Theriot's OBP in a vacuum considering he has been caught stealing 6 times.

Then at the same time you shouldn't look at his SLG in a vacuum considering he's stolen 7 bases.

[CubColtPacer]

We probably shouldn't be looking at Theriot's OBP in a vacuum considering he has been caught stealing 6 times.

 

To be honest, we don't know how much fault that is of Theriot's, and how much it is of Lou's. Is Lou giving him the general green light, or is Lou calling steal attempts from the dugout?

 

We know for sure that Theriot is not going to add much positive value from his SB's this year because of the CS (even if he steals the next 15 in a row). Assigning blame for CS is tricky though because there has never been clarification on if Lou is the one who's telling him to run.

 

Now his outs made at third base on general baserunning plays? Those are open season.

[Chocolate Milk]

We probably shouldn't be looking at Theriot's OBP in a vacuum considering he has been caught stealing 6 times.

Then at the same time you shouldn't look at his SLG in a vacuum considering he's stolen 7 bases.

Exactly. You might want to look at EQA, which takes that into account.

 

Theriot's EQA is .269, only marginally better than the .247 he put up a year ago. The CS's are killing him offensively.

 

Cedeno, for a point of comparison, is sporting a .350 EQA.

[Chocolate Milk]

We probably shouldn't be looking at Theriot's OBP in a vacuum considering he has been caught stealing 6 times.

 

To be honest, we don't know how much fault that is of Theriot's, and how much it is of Lou's. Is Lou giving him the general green light, or is Lou calling steal attempts from the dugout?

 

We know for sure that Theriot is not going to add much positive value from his SB's this year because of the CS (even if he steals the next 15 in a row). Assigning blame for CS is tricky though because there has never been clarification on if Lou is the one who's telling him to run.

 

Now his outs made at third base on general baserunning plays? Those are open season.

 

I think it's pretty hard to place blame on Lou based on speculation alone. Lou was the manager last year as well. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I put more of the blame on Theriot. A player is mostly responsible for his production, imo.

[Mizzou]

We probably shouldn't be looking at Theriot's OBP in a vacuum considering he has been caught stealing 6 times.

Then at the same time you shouldn't look at his SLG in a vacuum considering he's stolen 7 bases.

Exactly. You might want to look at EQA, which takes that into account.

 

Theriot's EQA is .269, only marginally better than the .247 he put up a year ago. The CS's are killing him offensively.

 

Cedeno, for a point of comparison, is sporting a .350 EQA.

Which is Bonds-like. Gotta look at the sample size there.

 

Ronny's had a nice 50 at bats. But I'm not about to call for Theriot's head when he's getting on base 2 times every 5 plate appearances.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm not calling for his head. He shouldn't have been the starting SS at the beginning of the season, and I'd just like that rightfully reversed.

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't understand why people are fine pointing to Theriot's stats this season, but toss Ronny's out without a thought. Is it because Theriot was some sort of stud last year?? Cause he wasn't, if not for his baserunning he woulda been a terrible everyday SS. Now this year he's been a terrible baserunner, so he's going to have to hit better than last year just to match his value from then.

 

Don't tell me in one sentence that Ronny's only done it for 50 ABs and then in the next tell me that Theriot gets on base at a great clip.

[Colin Wyers]

We probably shouldn't be looking at Theriot's OBP in a vacuum considering he has been caught stealing 6 times.

Then at the same time you shouldn't look at his SLG in a vacuum considering he's stolen 7 bases.

Exactly. You might want to look at EQA, which takes that into account.

 

Theriot's EQA is .269, only marginally better than the .247 he put up a year ago. The CS's are killing him offensively.

 

Cedeno, for a point of comparison, is sporting a .350 EQA.

Which is Bonds-like. Gotta look at the sample size there.

 

Ronny's had a nice 50 at bats. But I'm not about to call for Theriot's head when he's getting on base 2 times every 5 plate appearances.

 

Both of them are small sample sizes, and both of them need to be regressed to the mean or incorporated into a projection based upon previous performance. But you're completely ignoring the fact that this isn't cricket, and therefore you can hit for extra bases.

 

And you're right. Ronny Cedeno will not continue to hit like Barry Bonds. But at the same time, it is extremely unlikely that Theriot continues to post a batting average above .320. His walk rate seems to have improved slightly (it was actually below average last season), but his isolated slugging hasn't gone up significantly. Theriot's OBP will fall when his AVG falls, and his SLG is already precariously close to being subpar.

[Colin Wyers]

I don't understand why people are fine pointing to Theriot's stats this season, but toss Ronny's out without a thought. Is it because Theriot was some sort of stud last year?? Cause he wasn't. he was a terrible everyday SS. Now this year he's been a terrible baserunner, so he's going to have to hit better than last year just to match his value from then.

 

Don't tell me in one sentence that Ronny's only done it for 50 ABs and then in the next tell me that Theriot gets on base at a great clip.

 

Fixed.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

But you're completely ignoring the fact that this isn't cricket, and therefore you can hit for extra bases.

 

:blink: There are plenty of extra-run hits in cricket. Technically it's unlimited, but realistically you can get up to six.

[Colin Wyers]

But you're completely ignoring the fact that this isn't cricket, and therefore you can hit for extra bases.

 

:blink: There are plenty of extra-run hits in cricket. Technically it's unlimited, but realistically you can get up to six.

 

You learn something new every day!

[nilodnayr]

We probably shouldn't be looking at Theriot's OBP in a vacuum considering he has been caught stealing 6 times.

Then at the same time you shouldn't look at his SLG in a vacuum considering he's stolen 7 bases.

Exactly. You might want to look at EQA, which takes that into account.

 

Theriot's EQA is .269, only marginally better than the .247 he put up a year ago. The CS's are killing him offensively.

 

Cedeno, for a point of comparison, is sporting a .350 EQA.

Which is Bonds-like. Gotta look at the sample size there.

 

Ronny's had a nice 50 at bats. But I'm not about to call for Theriot's head when he's getting on base 2 times every 5 plate appearances.

 

Pot meet Kettle

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Seriously, the idea that Cedeno has so much further to go or overcome because he was terrible instead of merely bad is a really awful bit of logic. It's not a sliding scale, depending on the hitter, small adjustments can make a huge difference or a marginal one.

 

it's not at all. what's terrible logic is assuming that because some other hitters improved a lot, then so can cedeno. in the cases of the players discussed in this thread, they showed in their first full seasons that they had some of the skills - be it patience or the ability to pick a pitch and drive it for doubles/home runs - that are required to become a good major league player. cedeno showed none of the batting attributes needed to become an average or above-average player at the big league level. saying "hey mike schmidt sucked at 23 and he got good!" is a lazy argument. you're comparing apples to oranges.

 

since i'm so wrong, there should be plenty of examples of guys who were God-awful hitters in their first full seasons, but became average or better. i'm surprised that you guys haven't found all these examples to put me in my place once and for all.

 

No, this is exactly the point I'm saying. Cedeno being "God-awful" as opposed to merely below average or "showing attributes of a useful hitter" is a completely irrelevant point, especially with what he proved at the minor league level.

[Mizzou]

We probably shouldn't be looking at Theriot's OBP in a vacuum considering he has been caught stealing 6 times.

Then at the same time you shouldn't look at his SLG in a vacuum considering he's stolen 7 bases.

Exactly. You might want to look at EQA, which takes that into account.

 

Theriot's EQA is .269, only marginally better than the .247 he put up a year ago. The CS's are killing him offensively.

 

Cedeno, for a point of comparison, is sporting a .350 EQA.

Which is Bonds-like. Gotta look at the sample size there.

 

Ronny's had a nice 50 at bats. But I'm not about to call for Theriot's head when he's getting on base 2 times every 5 plate appearances.

 

Pot meet Kettle

How does that make any sense at all? It doesn't.

 

My point (since you seem to be missing it) is that it's incredibly foolish to take a guy who's hitting .320 and getting on base 40% of the time he digs in, and say "hey, I know you're playing great but I think this guy could be better because he's younger and hit better in the minors three years ago." That's just stupid, and no manager in baseball will bench a guy who's hitting very well because there's a "prospect" on his bench that could do better.

 

If Theriot starts to struggle, I'll want to see Cedeno get more playing time. I'm not some big Theriot fan or some big Cedeno hater. I'm just a realist who isn't going to bitch and moan because our backup SS isn't getting enough playing time when the starter is doing a just fine job. It gets tiring seeing the hate towards Theriot on this board.

[Colin Wyers]

Seriously, the idea that Cedeno has so much further to go or overcome because he was terrible instead of merely bad is a really awful bit of logic. It's not a sliding scale, depending on the hitter, small adjustments can make a huge difference or a marginal one.

 

it's not at all. what's terrible logic is assuming that because some other hitters improved a lot, then so can cedeno. in the cases of the players discussed in this thread, they showed in their first full seasons that they had some of the skills - be it patience or the ability to pick a pitch and drive it for doubles/home runs - that are required to become a good major league player. cedeno showed none of the batting attributes needed to become an average or above-average player at the big league level. saying "hey mike schmidt sucked at 23 and he got good!" is a lazy argument. you're comparing apples to oranges.

 

since i'm so wrong, there should be plenty of examples of guys who were God-awful hitters in their first full seasons, but became average or better. i'm surprised that you guys haven't found all these examples to put me in my place once and for all.

 

No, this is exactly the point I'm saying. Cedeno being "God-awful" as opposed to merely below average or "showing attributes of a useful hitter" is a completely irrelevant point, especially with what he proved at the minor league level.

 

Here's a better question. If Truffle is right, then Theriot's production so far this season has to be a mirage as well. And thus neither of them should be shortstop. (Which is a much more defensible position than the one currently held by Theriot's supporters.)

[nilodnayr]

We probably shouldn't be looking at Theriot's OBP in a vacuum considering he has been caught stealing 6 times.

Then at the same time you shouldn't look at his SLG in a vacuum considering he's stolen 7 bases.

Exactly. You might want to look at EQA, which takes that into account.

 

Theriot's EQA is .269, only marginally better than the .247 he put up a year ago. The CS's are killing him offensively.

 

Cedeno, for a point of comparison, is sporting a .350 EQA.

Which is Bonds-like. Gotta look at the sample size there.

 

Ronny's had a nice 50 at bats. But I'm not about to call for Theriot's head when he's getting on base 2 times every 5 plate appearances.

 

Pot meet Kettle

How does that make any sense at all? It doesn't.

 

My point (since you seem to be missing it) is that it's incredibly foolish to take a guy who's hitting .320 and getting on base 40% of the time he digs in, and say "hey, I know you're playing great but I think this guy could be better because he's younger and hit better in the minors three years ago." That's just stupid, and no manager in baseball will bench a guy who's hitting very well because there's a "prospect" on his bench that could do better.

 

If Theriot starts to struggle, I'll want to see Cedeno get more playing time. I'm not some big Theriot fan or some big Cedeno hater. I'm just a realist who isn't going to bitch and moan because our backup SS isn't getting enough playing time when the starter is doing a just fine job. It gets tiring seeing the hate towards Theriot on this board.

 

 

It makes sense because you appropriately cite sample size to take Cedeno's #s within context, yet don't apply them to Theriot. You are being hypocritical, hence, "pot meet kettle".

 

I'm not missing anything, you are just using garbage to back up your point and don't seem to understand the opposing view. The opposing view is that Ronny Cedeno and Ryan Theriot are doing well, infact better than their true talent, but that Ronny Cedeno, based not only on the brief 2008 season, but moreso based on each player's body of work is a much better option to start at SS than Theriot. If you want to play the hot hand, fine, but that would mean Cedeno should be getting just as many, if not more start than Theriot. Your argument is that Theriot would be "wronged" by Cedeno starting over him because Theriot is hitting so well, but you fail to mention, or maybe notice, or maybe are ignoring that Cedeno is hitting better.

 

"hey, I know you're playing great but I think this guy could be better because he's younger and hit better in the minors three years ago."---that kind of assenine comment doesn't help your cause...unless your cause is to make you look dumb. I know you know that Cedeno had a monster year last year.

[Mizzou]

It makes sense because you appropriately cite sample size to take Cedeno's #s within context, yet don't apply them to Theriot. You are being hypocritical, hence, "pot meet kettle".

 

I'm not missing anything, you are just using garbage to back up your point and don't seem to understand the opposing view. The opposing view is that Ronny Cedeno and Ryan Theriot are doing well, infact better than their true talent, but that Ronny Cedeno, based not only on the brief 2008 season, but moreso based on each player's body of work is a much better option to start at SS than Theriot. If you want to play the hot hand, fine, but that would mean Cedeno should be getting just as many, if not more start than Theriot. Your argument is that Theriot would be "wronged" by Cedeno starting over him because Theriot is hitting so well, but you fail to mention, or maybe notice, or maybe are ignoring that Cedeno is hitting better.

 

"hey, I know you're playing great but I think this guy could be better because he's younger and hit better in the minors three years ago."---that kind of assenine comment doesn't help your cause...unless your cause is to make you look dumb. I know you know that Cedeno had a monster year last year.

If you're going to say something about me looking dumb, you probably don't want to spell the word asinine wrong in the previous sentence.

 

I don't know how much more clearly I can make my point, but I'll try one last time. Ryan Theriot is the Cubs starting shortstop. Ronny Cedeno is the backup middle infielder. When the starter is doing his job, and playing a lot better than he's expected to, he's not going to get benched. Nor should he. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team, when the starter gets benched after playing great for the first month of the season?

 

By the way, Theriot is 1-1 with a stolen base and a run so far tonight. Cedeno is 0-1 with a weak tapper back to third base. I know, I know... sample size.

[sethuel1]

It makes sense because you appropriately cite sample size to take Cedeno's #s within context, yet don't apply them to Theriot. You are being hypocritical, hence, "pot meet kettle".

 

I'm not missing anything, you are just using garbage to back up your point and don't seem to understand the opposing view. The opposing view is that Ronny Cedeno and Ryan Theriot are doing well, infact better than their true talent, but that Ronny Cedeno, based not only on the brief 2008 season, but moreso based on each player's body of work is a much better option to start at SS than Theriot. If you want to play the hot hand, fine, but that would mean Cedeno should be getting just as many, if not more start than Theriot. Your argument is that Theriot would be "wronged" by Cedeno starting over him because Theriot is hitting so well, but you fail to mention, or maybe notice, or maybe are ignoring that Cedeno is hitting better.

 

"hey, I know you're playing great but I think this guy could be better because he's younger and hit better in the minors three years ago."---that kind of assenine comment doesn't help your cause...unless your cause is to make you look dumb. I know you know that Cedeno had a monster year last year.

If you're going to say something about me looking dumb, you probably don't want to spell the word asinine wrong in the previous sentence.

 

I don't know how much more clearly I can make my point, but I'll try one last time. Ryan Theriot is the Cubs starting shortstop. Ronny Cedeno is the backup middle infielder. When the starter is doing his job, and playing a lot better than he's expected to, he's not going to get benched. Nor should he. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team, when the starter gets benched after playing great for the first month of the season?

 

By the way, Theriot is 1-1 with a stolen base and a run so far tonight. Cedeno is 0-1 with a weak tapper back to third base. I know, I know... sample size.

You know you lost an argument when you begin your counterargument by pointing out spelling errors.

[nilodnayr]

It makes sense because you appropriately cite sample size to take Cedeno's #s within context, yet don't apply them to Theriot. You are being hypocritical, hence, "pot meet kettle".

 

I'm not missing anything, you are just using garbage to back up your point and don't seem to understand the opposing view. The opposing view is that Ronny Cedeno and Ryan Theriot are doing well, infact better than their true talent, but that Ronny Cedeno, based not only on the brief 2008 season, but moreso based on each player's body of work is a much better option to start at SS than Theriot. If you want to play the hot hand, fine, but that would mean Cedeno should be getting just as many, if not more start than Theriot. Your argument is that Theriot would be "wronged" by Cedeno starting over him because Theriot is hitting so well, but you fail to mention, or maybe notice, or maybe are ignoring that Cedeno is hitting better.

 

"hey, I know you're playing great but I think this guy could be better because he's younger and hit better in the minors three years ago."---that kind of assenine comment doesn't help your cause...unless your cause is to make you look dumb. I know you know that Cedeno had a monster year last year.

If you're going to say something about me looking dumb, you probably don't want to spell the word asinine wrong in the previous sentence.

 

I don't know how much more clearly I can make my point, but I'll try one last time. Ryan Theriot is the Cubs starting shortstop. Ronny Cedeno is the backup middle infielder. When the starter is doing his job, and playing a lot better than he's expected to, he's not going to get benched. Nor should he. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team, when the starter gets benched after playing great for the first month of the season?

 

By the way, Theriot is 1-1 with a stolen base and a run so far tonight. Cedeno is 0-1 with a weak tapper back to third base. I know, I know... sample size.

 

 

Aww spell check police!!! Snap you burned me!

 

It send a message to the players that you want to win...but we wouldnt want a manager sending that type of message, now would we? We don't want to hurt their little feelings (said in a baby voice).

 

And as for what I would do....I'd get Ronny and Theriot plenty of PT right now until one of them cools off. They both can play at least 3 position, theres plenty of PT to go around. Cedeno has started 4 of the last 11 games, thats unacceptable. And this whole notion of "starter" and "bench player" should be thrown out the window in this situation. Its not like Theriot has Soriano's body of work to lean on. He has one crappy year in the majors and many crappy years in the minors.

[Mizzou]

It makes sense because you appropriately cite sample size to take Cedeno's #s within context, yet don't apply them to Theriot. You are being hypocritical, hence, "pot meet kettle".

 

I'm not missing anything, you are just using garbage to back up your point and don't seem to understand the opposing view. The opposing view is that Ronny Cedeno and Ryan Theriot are doing well, infact better than their true talent, but that Ronny Cedeno, based not only on the brief 2008 season, but moreso based on each player's body of work is a much better option to start at SS than Theriot. If you want to play the hot hand, fine, but that would mean Cedeno should be getting just as many, if not more start than Theriot. Your argument is that Theriot would be "wronged" by Cedeno starting over him because Theriot is hitting so well, but you fail to mention, or maybe notice, or maybe are ignoring that Cedeno is hitting better.

 

"hey, I know you're playing great but I think this guy could be better because he's younger and hit better in the minors three years ago."---that kind of assenine comment doesn't help your cause...unless your cause is to make you look dumb. I know you know that Cedeno had a monster year last year.

If you're going to say something about me looking dumb, you probably don't want to spell the word asinine wrong in the previous sentence.

 

I don't know how much more clearly I can make my point, but I'll try one last time. Ryan Theriot is the Cubs starting shortstop. Ronny Cedeno is the backup middle infielder. When the starter is doing his job, and playing a lot better than he's expected to, he's not going to get benched. Nor should he. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team, when the starter gets benched after playing great for the first month of the season?

 

By the way, Theriot is 1-1 with a stolen base and a run so far tonight. Cedeno is 0-1 with a weak tapper back to third base. I know, I know... sample size.

You know you lost an argument when you begin your counterargument by pointing out spelling errors.

You know you're reading a sethuel post in Baseball Discussions when it's only one line, and not about the actual baseball discussion. Seriously, try and add something of value sometime.

[Mizzou]

And as for what I would do....I'd get Ronny and Theriot plenty of PT right now until one of them cools off. They both can play at least 3 position, theres plenty of PT to go around.

I can agree with that.

[nilodnayr]

It makes sense because you appropriately cite sample size to take Cedeno's #s within context, yet don't apply them to Theriot. You are being hypocritical, hence, "pot meet kettle".

 

I'm not missing anything, you are just using garbage to back up your point and don't seem to understand the opposing view. The opposing view is that Ronny Cedeno and Ryan Theriot are doing well, infact better than their true talent, but that Ronny Cedeno, based not only on the brief 2008 season, but moreso based on each player's body of work is a much better option to start at SS than Theriot. If you want to play the hot hand, fine, but that would mean Cedeno should be getting just as many, if not more start than Theriot. Your argument is that Theriot would be "wronged" by Cedeno starting over him because Theriot is hitting so well, but you fail to mention, or maybe notice, or maybe are ignoring that Cedeno is hitting better.

 

"hey, I know you're playing great but I think this guy could be better because he's younger and hit better in the minors three years ago."---that kind of assenine comment doesn't help your cause...unless your cause is to make you look dumb. I know you know that Cedeno had a monster year last year.

If you're going to say something about me looking dumb, you probably don't want to spell the word asinine wrong in the previous sentence.

 

I don't know how much more clearly I can make my point, but I'll try one last time. Ryan Theriot is the Cubs starting shortstop. Ronny Cedeno is the backup middle infielder. When the starter is doing his job, and playing a lot better than he's expected to, he's not going to get benched. Nor should he. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team, when the starter gets benched after playing great for the first month of the season?

 

By the way, Theriot is 1-1 with a stolen base and a run so far tonight. Cedeno is 0-1 with a weak tapper back to third base. I know, I know... sample size.

You know you lost an argument when you begin your counterargument by pointing out spelling errors.

You know you're reading a sethuel post in Baseball Discussions when it's only one line, and not about the actual baseball discussion. Seriously, try and add something of value sometime.

 

he does have a point though...

[sethuel1]

It makes sense because you appropriately cite sample size to take Cedeno's #s within context, yet don't apply them to Theriot. You are being hypocritical, hence, "pot meet kettle".

 

I'm not missing anything, you are just using garbage to back up your point and don't seem to understand the opposing view. The opposing view is that Ronny Cedeno and Ryan Theriot are doing well, infact better than their true talent, but that Ronny Cedeno, based not only on the brief 2008 season, but moreso based on each player's body of work is a much better option to start at SS than Theriot. If you want to play the hot hand, fine, but that would mean Cedeno should be getting just as many, if not more start than Theriot. Your argument is that Theriot would be "wronged" by Cedeno starting over him because Theriot is hitting so well, but you fail to mention, or maybe notice, or maybe are ignoring that Cedeno is hitting better.

 

"hey, I know you're playing great but I think this guy could be better because he's younger and hit better in the minors three years ago."---that kind of assenine comment doesn't help your cause...unless your cause is to make you look dumb. I know you know that Cedeno had a monster year last year.

If you're going to say something about me looking dumb, you probably don't want to spell the word asinine wrong in the previous sentence.

 

I don't know how much more clearly I can make my point, but I'll try one last time. Ryan Theriot is the Cubs starting shortstop. Ronny Cedeno is the backup middle infielder. When the starter is doing his job, and playing a lot better than he's expected to, he's not going to get benched. Nor should he. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team, when the starter gets benched after playing great for the first month of the season?

 

By the way, Theriot is 1-1 with a stolen base and a run so far tonight. Cedeno is 0-1 with a weak tapper back to third base. I know, I know... sample size.

You know you lost an argument when you begin your counterargument by pointing out spelling errors.

You know you're reading a sethuel post in Baseball Discussions when it's only one line, and not about the actual baseball discussion. Seriously, try and add something of value sometime.

It's readily apparent that you don't respond to posts that are of value, as demonstrated by your responses in this thread. So I'll continue my one liners, thank you

[nilodnayr]

It makes sense because you appropriately cite sample size to take Cedeno's #s within context, yet don't apply them to Theriot. You are being hypocritical, hence, "pot meet kettle".

 

I'm not missing anything, you are just using garbage to back up your point and don't seem to understand the opposing view. The opposing view is that Ronny Cedeno and Ryan Theriot are doing well, infact better than their true talent, but that Ronny Cedeno, based not only on the brief 2008 season, but moreso based on each player's body of work is a much better option to start at SS than Theriot. If you want to play the hot hand, fine, but that would mean Cedeno should be getting just as many, if not more start than Theriot. Your argument is that Theriot would be "wronged" by Cedeno starting over him because Theriot is hitting so well, but you fail to mention, or maybe notice, or maybe are ignoring that Cedeno is hitting better.

 

"hey, I know you're playing great but I think this guy could be better because he's younger and hit better in the minors three years ago."---that kind of assenine comment doesn't help your cause...unless your cause is to make you look dumb. I know you know that Cedeno had a monster year last year.

If you're going to say something about me looking dumb, you probably don't want to spell the word asinine wrong in the previous sentence.

 

I don't know how much more clearly I can make my point, but I'll try one last time. Ryan Theriot is the Cubs starting shortstop. Ronny Cedeno is the backup middle infielder. When the starter is doing his job, and playing a lot better than he's expected to, he's not going to get benched. Nor should he. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team, when the starter gets benched after playing great for the first month of the season?

 

By the way, Theriot is 1-1 with a stolen base and a run so far tonight. Cedeno is 0-1 with a weak tapper back to third base. I know, I know... sample size.

You know you lost an argument when you begin your counterargument by pointing out spelling errors.

You know you're reading a sethuel post in Baseball Discussions when it's only one line, and not about the actual baseball discussion. Seriously, try and add something of value sometime.

It's readily apparent that you don't respond to posts that are of value, as demonstrated by your responses in this thread. So I'll continue my one liners, thank you

 

Are you saying my posts are of no value? :cry:

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Apparently, playing the best players doesn't matter. What matters is what feels fair to the ballplayers and respecting defined roles.