Is it time to make Cedeno a starter?

[CubColtPacer]

Man, I've always tried to defend Theriot here, but he's had one BAD stretch this week. Caught stealing, double plays, failing to turn double plays, he hasn't done anything right (except win the game on Wednesday night) lately. He needs a break.

 

He got on base quite a bit this weekend (7 times on base in 14 plate appearances) but you're right, the rest of his game has been pretty terrible.

[Rob]

Cedeno's OPS is sitting at 1.029 at the end of April.

 

I know Theriot is performing well also (.831 OPS), but Cedeno needs to be playing everyday right now.

[VanceJergins]

Cedeno's OPS is sitting at 1.029 at the end of April.

 

I know Theriot is performing well also (.831 OPS), but Cedeno needs to be playing everyday right now.

 

Yeah, especially with his superior defense. I wouldn't mind Theriot starting like 1/3 of the games until he starts to really suck, but Cedeno has been money.

[fallingpieces]

Since watching him in AAA, I've been wanting Cedeno to get an honest chance.

[javy knows my name]

Since watching him in AAA, I've been wanting Cedeno to get an honest chance.

I don't care if he gets a completely dishonest chance, I just want him in the game until he stops hitting the eff out of the ball

[imb]

im just glad cedeno's doing this ish at the major league level and not rotting away in AAA ala Soto in '07

[TruffleShuffle]

im just glad cedeno's doing this ish at the major league level and not rotting away in AAA ala Soto in '07

 

Theriot is at .327/.394/.439 (.833) this year. cubs' non-soto catchers hit .223/~290/.338 in 2007. i'm not saying that theriot will finish anywhere near that level or that the cubs' shortstops will be that bad this year. but the biggest problem was that the cubs' catchers, by and large, couldn't even reach replacement level last year, but meanwhile the "third" catcher was destroying the PCL to a point where he was the league MVP.

[AllStarMe]

Interesting note on Cedeno: For the month of April, Ronnie finished with 16 RBI, good for a 6-way tie for 30th place in the NL. However, of those top 30 RBI men in the NL, Ronnie was fewest in ABs at 45. The next fewest? Jeff Kent with 86 ABs and 16 RBI.

 

I know RBI are certainly not the best metric for judging hitters, they're reflective of the surrounding lineup, etc. But Ronnie has been coming up big with guys on. Actually he's only got a .313 avg with RISP, I thought it'd be higher.

[CubColtPacer]

Well, he's not going to be the full-time starter yet. But Lou has taken notice, which should mean he won't completely rot (quote from Cubs.com):

 

Cedeno is making a case for a spot in the lineup. Piniella said he discussed that with bench coach Alan Trammell right after Cedeno's big hit.

 

"The answer is yes, we'll find a place to get him in," Piniella said of the infielder, who is batting .378.

 

Where? That's to be determined.

[soapy]

Dailey Herald's note:

 

"This young man, everywhere he's played he's played well," Piniella said. "And he's produced offensively. We'll find a place to get him in. You know, he played some center field in winter ball."

 

Then Piniella paused to laugh, realizing the can of worms he had just squeezed open.

 

"Oh, lord, I shouldn't have even mentioned that. Forget it. But we'll find a place."

[C.C.]

Dailey Herald's note:

 

"This young man, everywhere he's played he's played well," Piniella said. "And he's produced offensively. We'll find a place to get him in. You know, he played some center field in winter ball."

 

Then Piniella paused to laugh, realizing the can of worms he had just squeezed open.

 

"Oh, lord, I shouldn't have even mentioned that. Forget it. But we'll find a place."

 

Whatever it takes...Get Cedeno in the lineup.

[CuseCubFan69]

Dailey Herald's note:

 

"This young man, everywhere he's played he's played well," Piniella said. "And he's produced offensively. We'll find a place to get him in. You know, he played some center field in winter ball."

 

Then Piniella paused to laugh, realizing the can of worms he had just squeezed open.

 

"Oh, lord, I shouldn't have even mentioned that. Forget it. But we'll find a place."

 

Whatever it takes...Get Cedeno in the lineup.

 

Could he be a middle reliever?

[weis21]

Well, he's not going to be the full-time starter yet. But Lou has taken notice, which should mean he won't completely rot (quote from Cubs.com):

 

Cedeno is making a case for a spot in the lineup. Piniella said he discussed that with bench coach Alan Trammell right after Cedeno's big hit.

 

"The answer is yes, we'll find a place to get him in," Piniella said of the infielder, who is batting .378.

 

Where? That's to be determined.

 

How about pitcher's helper?

[CuseCubFan69]

Maybe he could be moved to play OF a little more if the Cubs truly think Theriot is the SS. Again, not that I agree that Theriot is the better choice there but I can't control that decision.

[Abe Frohman]

I am VERY impressed not only with Cedeno's production, but his approach at the plate. He finally seems to "get it" and he is looking pretty tough. It's a good problem to have, but as long as he gets enough AB's to stay sharp, we have a pretty good tandem at SS/2B.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Interesting note on Cedeno: For the month of April, Ronnie finished with 16 RBI, good for a 6-way tie for 30th place in the NL. However, of those top 30 RBI men in the NL, Ronnie was fewest in ABs at 45. The next fewest? Jeff Kent with 86 ABs and 16 RBI.

 

I know RBI are certainly not the best metric for judging hitters, they're reflective of the surrounding lineup, etc. But Ronnie has been coming up big with guys on. Actually he's only got a .313 avg with RISP, I thought it'd be higher.

this helps explain his RBI total. his line with the bases loaded -- 833/833/1.667/2.500

[Tracer Bullet]

Interesting note on Cedeno: For the month of April, Ronnie finished with 16 RBI, good for a 6-way tie for 30th place in the NL. However, of those top 30 RBI men in the NL, Ronnie was fewest in ABs at 45. The next fewest? Jeff Kent with 86 ABs and 16 RBI.

 

I know RBI are certainly not the best metric for judging hitters, they're reflective of the surrounding lineup, etc. But Ronnie has been coming up big with guys on. Actually he's only got a .313 avg with RISP, I thought it'd be higher.

this helps explain his RBI total. his line with the bases loaded -- 833/833/1.667/2.500

 

IsoD of .000? Loser.

[David]

Levine was just on with Waddle and Silvy and they were talking about Ronny. Levine saying that Cedeno is finally starting to show at the MLB level what he did in the minor leagues. Silvy asked if he expected Ronny to spot start maybe 2-3 times a week, and Bruce responded by mentioning Lou's comments that Cedeno might play CF.

 

When Silvy questioned that, they posed the question, "Well who are you gonna sit down, Theriot or DeRosa? They're both getting the job done," and treated it as though it were actually a difficult question to answer. Yes, Theriot's numbers are pretty decent up till now, but Theriot or DeRosa? Seriously?

 

And it's not like Theriot hasn't made a crapload of idiotic mistakes lately. Why does he get a free pass? If Ronny or Aramis or Fonz did these things, they'd be raked over the coals.

[TruffleShuffle]

And it's not like Theriot hasn't made a crapload of idiotic mistakes lately. Why does he get a free pass?

 

probably because he generally has good fundamentals and people aren't going to overreact about a few baserunning mistakes made in one week.

[cubfan]

Hmmm... Maybe we can trade Pie, Murton and Theriot to SD for Greene and then start Cedeno in CF :)

[David]

And it's not like Theriot hasn't made a crapload of idiotic mistakes lately. Why does he get a free pass?

 

probably because he generally has good fundamentals and people aren't going to overreact about a few baserunning mistakes made in one week.

 

Does he, really? Or is that just perception? What does that even mean?

[Rob]

EqA:

 

Lee - .347

Soto - .325

Cedeno - .323

Ramirez - .316

Fukudome - .312

DeRosa - .292

Blanco - .279

Theriot - .276

Johnson - .258

Pie - .222

 

Maybe there is something to the idea of playing Cedeno in CF...

[TruffleShuffle]

And it's not like Theriot hasn't made a crapload of idiotic mistakes lately. Why does he get a free pass?

 

probably because he generally has good fundamentals and people aren't going to overreact about a few baserunning mistakes made in one week.

 

Does he, really? Or is that just perception? What does that even mean?

 

yes, he does. he's a good baserunner, steals bases at a good rate, shows good patience at the plate and doesn't make many errors. there's plenty to criticize with theriot, like his ability to hit and his range in the field.

[imb]

And it's not like Theriot hasn't made a crapload of idiotic mistakes lately. Why does he get a free pass?

 

probably because he generally has good fundamentals and people aren't going to overreact about a few baserunning mistakes made in one week.

 

Does he, really? Or is that just perception? What does that even mean?

 

there's plenty to criticize with theriot, like his ability to hit and his range in the field.

 

Other than that, how did you enjoy the play Mrs. Lincoln?

[Sammy Sofa]

For a "speedy guy," Theriot seems slow as hell.