LA Dodgers: No field-level access for fans w/o box seats

[UK1679666180]

Seeing baseball in person at Wrigley is a luxury expense, it isn't a god given right for every Cubs fan to go there b/c they want to.

 

I love sportscars, yet I have only a 3.6L car.

[Jehrico]

I'd be all for this rule if those prime seats were given to the hard core fans who camp out the night before tickets go on sale in order to get good tickets instead of people who bought off of scalpers, scalping websites (stubhub), people with corporate ties, or rich guys with season tickets. Die-hard, but otherwise average fans are the ones getting the short end of this stick unfortunately.

 

Agreed with the others on not having sympathy for the guy trying to get 10 autographs for his little brother.

 

Couldn't somebody who is willing to spend a lot of money for good seats be considered die-hard? I don't see why camping out overnight gives somebody more right to seats.

 

Everybody likes to pick on the "the suits" and "corporate seats", but my experience has been that most of the people getting these seats are very big fans. Whether they are the CEO, or a receptionist who got the unused tickets at 6:15, the people who end up going are typically very much interested in the game.

Go on stubhub.com and see how many of those guys with ties are selling their tickets well above face value. It would be fairer if they were available for anyone to buy at face value.

 

How many of those guys in t shirts are selling their tickets above face value? You've got people on this site every year in the ticket thread talking about buying tickets so they can sell them. Mizzou was doing it with playoff tickets last year for God's sake.

And that justifies it because....

 

The system is wrong. I don't blame any one individual who is simply doing what the system allows, like everyone else. It's frustrating when you have to pay hundreds for the better tickets through a scapler just because you a) can't afford season tickets, or b) haven't been on the waiting list long enough to get them, or c) don't have the corporate contacts.

 

That's just life. People have opportunites to get jobs I can't get because they know someone. People have better investment opportunities because they know someone. People get better cars or get to go to events or get to visit places I don't get to visit because they have money, or they know people.

 

This is just supply vs demand. There's a finite number of Cubs tickets, and a large demand. Therefore scalpers are just getting what the market will bear. That's just economics. There's nothing unfair about that.

 

If the Cubs were less popular, it wouldn't be an issue, but then you wouldn't want to go. Look at the Pirates the last couple of nights. Not too many people making a lot of money scalping those tickets.

You're wrong on so many levels. This isn't supply and demand. It's limited or preferential distribution. If it was simply supply and demand, then face value would be what scalpers were charging, and you'd be able to get tickets through the normal channels. The cubs, as well as all other teams, are limiting the distribution of their product to their fan base with the current season ticket models while allowing third parties to profit at the customers expense.

[jersey cubs fan]

You're wrong on so many levels. This isn't supply and demand. It's limited or preferential distribution. If it was simply supply and demand, then face value would be what scalpers were charging, and you'd be able to get tickets through the normal channels. The cubs, as well as all other teams, are limiting the distribution of their product to their fan base with the current season ticket models while allowing third parties to profit at the customers expense.

 

Yes, it's a vast conspiracy to prevent you from getting good seats.

 

What a bunch of nonsense. If they charged "what the market would bear" the average joe would whine about how high the tickets are. You would still end up paying the same amount. If you want the seats, you can get them, it's that simple.

 

Are you suggesting they should not be able to offer season ticket packages?

[Banedon]

You're wrong on so many levels. This isn't supply and demand. It's limited or preferential distribution. If it was simply supply and demand, then face value would be what scalpers were charging, and you'd be able to get tickets through the normal channels. The cubs, as well as all other teams, are limiting the distribution of their product to their fan base with the current season ticket models while allowing third parties to profit at the customers expense.

 

Nope.

 

The Cubs are actually charging under market value. They want the "common fan" to be able to come to the game. But hey, like everyone in america, they want to make a buck too. And so do a lot of other folks. So scalpers come and buy these tickets and then go out and charge what the market will bear.

 

Or season ticket holders, who have the money to make an "investment" in season tickets, will buy them and take their chances on the value of them down the road.

 

What happens if some budget crazy mizer buys the Cubs and trades away all the high priced talent for low priced junk, and you end up with a bargain basement team? Now the demand is down and all those season ticket holders are sitting on a pile of worthless tickets. It's an investment (one that's likely to pay off, admittedly), but it's still an investment.

 

What you're implying is only true if the Cubs were charging rich people and corporate people less, and the "common fan" more...or if they were charging both the same, but giving the rich/corporate better seating. That's not the case. This is a case of if you have more money, you get a better product. How is that different from anything else in life?

[Jehrico]

You're wrong on so many levels. This isn't supply and demand. It's limited or preferential distribution. If it was simply supply and demand, then face value would be what scalpers were charging, and you'd be able to get tickets through the normal channels. The cubs, as well as all other teams, are limiting the distribution of their product to their fan base with the current season ticket models while allowing third parties to profit at the customers expense.

 

Yes, it's a vast conspiracy to prevent you from getting good seats.

 

What a bunch of nonsense. If they charged "what the market would bear" the average joe would whine about how high the tickets are. You would still end up paying the same amount. If you want the seats, you can get them, it's that simple.

 

Are you suggesting they should not be able to offer season ticket packages?

 

No, you're putting words into my mouth. I don't think they shouldn't offer season ticket packages. What they shouldn't do is offer all of the lower seats only as season tickets, some should be available through normal channels. Most season ticket holders end up selling most of their tickets at an overall profit. If a season ticket holder is selling more than half of their tickets at twice face value (or more), and it's not too hard to see who is selling them out there, then they shouldn't be season ticket holders. I never said it was a conspiracy to prevent me from getting good seats. I only get to go to one or two games in Chicago a year, and I make them count, I go through scalpers. My dad, on the other hand, won't go through scalpers. He refuses to. He shouldn't have to. He's alway on the phone (and more recently, the internet) the moment they go on sale, has been for 30 years. He's not been able to get lower level seats one time. Why? Because the good seats aren't available to the normal fan. I would prefer to at least have a nominal chance at some premier seats if I'm on the spot when they first go on sale.

[Jehrico]

You're wrong on so many levels. This isn't supply and demand. It's limited or preferential distribution. If it was simply supply and demand, then face value would be what scalpers were charging, and you'd be able to get tickets through the normal channels. The cubs, as well as all other teams, are limiting the distribution of their product to their fan base with the current season ticket models while allowing third parties to profit at the customers expense.

Nope.

 

The Cubs are actually charging under market value. They want the "common fan" to be able to come to the game. But hey, like everyone in america, they want to make a buck too. And so do a lot of other folks. So scalpers come and buy these tickets and then go out and charge what the market will bear.

 

Or season ticket holders, who have the money to make an "investment" in season tickets, will buy them and take their chances on the value of them down the road.

 

What happens if some budget crazy mizer buys the Cubs and trades away all the high priced talent for low priced junk, and you end up with a bargain basement team? Now the demand is down and all those season ticket holders are sitting on a pile of worthless tickets. It's an investment (one that's likely to pay off, admittedly), but it's still an investment.

 

What you're implying is only true if the Cubs were charging rich people and corporate people less, and the "common fan" more...or if they were charging both the same, but giving the rich/corporate better seating. That's not the case. This is a case of if you have more money, you get a better product. How is that different from anything else in life?

They want the common fan to come to the game so badly they sell all of their best seats under market value en masse to known scalpers who jack the price up. Makes sense... :roll:

[Derwood]

Cubs run their own ticket broker store that sells their own tickets for over market value. they also have the CPD shoo away any scalpers away from within 2 blocks of Wrigley so the common fan won't cut into their profits

[Jehrico]

Cubs run their own ticket broker store that sells their own tickets for over market value. they also have the CPD shoo away any scalpers away from within 2 blocks of Wrigley so the common fan won't cut into their profits

That just makes it all worse.

 

Also, I missed part of one of Banedon's post about season tickets being an investment. Baseball shouldn't be an investment, it's supposed to be a past time, and a system shouldn't exist that encourages investors at the expense of the common fans.

[imb]

Cubs run their own ticket broker store that sells their own tickets for over market value. they also have the CPD shoo away any scalpers away from within 2 blocks of Wrigley so the common fan won't cut into their profits

That just makes it all worse.

 

Also, I missed part of one of Banedon's post about season tickets being an investment. Baseball shouldn't be an investment, it's supposed to be a past time, and a system shouldn't exist that encourages investors at the expense of the common fans.

 

That's just capitalism, baby.

[Derwood]

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