Felix Pie

[Schwarber Fan]

I have officially given up on Felix. If the guy hasn't "developed" by now, he's never gonna be ready. He has shown no improvement at his patience at the plate and barely even puts a ball in play. Pie is becoming worse than Corey Patterson. The Cubs with their struggling offense can't afford to wait for him to develop forever by wasting a spot in the lineup. Might as well trade him while he still is a "top prospect" and get something for him. Reed Johnson is even better a option right now.

[JimSorgi]

Don't worry, he hasn't got the memo that Spring Training is over. Jim Hendry forgot to send them out. He'll be hitting home runs in a week or two.

[illiniguy]

It isn't fair at all to say Pie is a failure because Patterson busted out. Pie has what 170 abs at the big league level?

[TruffleShuffle]

wait i can't tell, is this more irrational overreaction, or more pretending to have an irrational overreaction? these days there's a lot (too much) of both, and i can't keep track of who is doing which one.

[Schwarber Fan]

wait i can't tell, is this more irrational overreaction, or more pretending to have an irrational overreaction? these days there's a lot (too much) of both, and i can't keep track of who is doing which one.

 

It would be an overreaction if Pie hadn't already had some significant MLB experience before this season. How many chances does he get?

[illiniguy]

wait i can't tell, is this more irrational overreaction, or more pretending to have an irrational overreaction? these days there's a lot (too much) of both, and i can't keep track of who is doing which one.

 

It would be an overreaction if Pie hadn't already had some significant MLB experience before this season. How many chances does he get?

150 at bats is significant?

[JimSorgi]

wait i can't tell, is this more irrational overreaction, or more pretending to have an irrational overreaction? these days there's a lot (too much) of both, and i can't keep track of who is doing which one.

 

It would be an overreaction if Pie hadn't already had some significant MLB experience before this season. How many chances does he get?

He's 23.

[WilcoFan]

wait i can't tell, is this more irrational overreaction, or more pretending to have an irrational overreaction? these days there's a lot (too much) of both, and i can't keep track of who is doing which one.

 

It would be an overreaction if Pie hadn't already had some significant MLB experience before this season. How many chances does he get?

 

I think he deserves at least one.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't know Truffle, I still can't tell.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

just when you think your day can't get any more strange...

[jersey cubs fan]

Anybody check out Aramis Ramirez's first 600 PA in the majors?

[TruffleShuffle]

wait i can't tell, is this more irrational overreaction, or more pretending to have an irrational overreaction? these days there's a lot (too much) of both, and i can't keep track of who is doing which one.

 

It would be an overreaction if Pie hadn't already had some significant MLB experience before this season. How many chances does he get?

 

he received regular playing time for like two weeks last year, was farmed out, got regular playing time for another three weeks in june, then spent the rest of the year either in iowa or farting around on the bench with the cubs. if the red sox threw in the towel on pedroia after he sucked ass in april last year, he wouldn't have been the AL rookie of the year.

 

pie may end up being patterson part II, but at least give the guy a couple of months to try to make adjustments against big league pitching. he's got a lot of talent and tore up iowa; he might have the talent to find what he's doing wrong at this level and work things out himself. unfortunately i suspect that the cubs and our A.D.D. manager will give up on him about a week from now.

[Abe Frohman]

If he isn't hitting in June, that's a different story. I think he'll be fine if he backs off the plate. His swing is longer than Dustin Hoffman's nose. Edited April 4, 2008 by Abe Frohman

[Bote McBoteface]

Brandon Phillips is a bust, too.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah all this faux-sarcasm is screwing me up. But either way:

 

If the guy hasn't "developed" by now, he's never gonna be ready.

 

is awesome.

[TruffleShuffle]

Anybody check out Aramis Ramirez's first 600 PA in the majors?

 

that's what i'm saying. it's not like felix pie is jason dubois, a relatively polished player arriving in the big leagues who should already have a pretty good idea of how to hit big league pitching. pie is very talented, just like aramis was; aramis was clueless at the plate early on, but he had the natural ability and enough smarts to learn some plate discipline, and he ended up becoming a great player. unpolished players - and Lord knows that the cubs can churn these out, since the organization has no idea how to teach plate discipline - need more time to adjust at the big league level than guys who already have a good sense of pitch recognition and working the count. pie was pretty average in his first crack at iowa, then tore the league up in 2007. let's give him some time to see if he can make similar adjustments at this level. if not, then he's a bust, but there's no sense giving up on him right now.

[sharkfan50]

It certainly is not an overreaction. The problem most Cub fans have is admitting that he's just another in the long line of overhyped and overrated Cub prospects. So they keep making exuses that he's still only 23 years of age or he still only has 175 ab's.

 

The comparison's to Patterson are not fair but the one thing you can compare these 2 together is that Corey Patterson was once 23 years of age and Corey Patterson once only had 175 ab's and Cub fans were saying the exact same thing about him then. Meanwhile they could've traded him while his value was atleast fairly high but they didn't and that didn't turn out too well did it. Then all of you who were saying to give COrey time to develope, rip Hendry for not trading him and getting something back for him while he had some value.

 

Admit it Cub fans and stop making excuses for him, he will never live up to your expectations. He has showed me zero. This isn't the Minor Leagues no more Johnny. He's a bust.

[illiniguy]

Brandon Phillips is a bust, too.

B.J. Upton flopped out.

[illiniguy]

It certainly is not an overreaction. The problem most Cub fans have is admitting that he's just another in the long line of overhyped and overrated Cub prospects. So they keep making exuses that he's still only 23 years of age or he still only has 175 ab's.

 

The comparison's to Patterson are not fair but the one thing you can compare these 2 together is that Corey Patterson was once 23 years of age and Corey Patterson once only had 175 ab's and Cub fans were saying the exact same thing about him then. Meanwhile they could've traded him while his value was atleast fairly high but they didn't and that didn't turn out too well did it. Then all of you who were saying to give COrey time to develope, rip Hendry for not trading him and getting something back for him while he had some value.

 

Admit it Cub fans and stop making excuses for him, he will never live up to your expectations. He has showed me zero. This isn't the Minor Leagues no more Johnny. He's a bust.

Thankfully the Rangers traded away Sammy Sosa while they could before he busted out.

[TruffleShuffle]

The comparison's to Patterson are not fair but the one thing you can compare these 2 together is that Corey Patterson was once 23 years of age and Corey Patterson once only had 175 ab's and Cub fans were saying the exact same thing about him then.

 

patterson was rushed to the big leagues at 20 years old, didn't show a great deal of discipline at West Tennessee and did not dominate the league, and then was pointlessly skipped over Iowa. When he did get to play in Iowa the next year, he didn't play well at all, and the Cubs still brought him to Chicago. He was stupidly rushed. Nobody thinks Pie is being rushed; he has mastered AAA baseball and needs a chance at the big league level. This is part of the reason the Cubs fail so badly at player development. No, they don't teach some essentials in the minor leagues, but they also just mail it in on a prospect after he sucks for a month. this isn't how intelligent and rational organizations operate.

[rocket]

Anybody check out Aramis Ramirez's first 600 PA in the majors?

 

that's what i'm saying. it's not like felix pie is jason dubois, a relatively polished player arriving in the big leagues who should already have a pretty good idea of how to hit big league pitching. pie is very talented, just like aramis was; aramis was clueless at the plate early on, but he had the natural ability and enough smarts to learn some plate discipline, and he ended up becoming a great player. unpolished players - and Lord knows that the cubs can churn these out, since the organization has no idea how to teach plate discipline - need more time to adjust at the big league level than guys who already have a good sense of pitch recognition and working the count. pie was pretty average in his first crack at iowa, then tore the league up in 2007. let's give him some time to see if he can make similar adjustments at this level. if not, then he's a bust, but there's no sense giving up on him right now.

 

why don't you share the same patience with ronny cedeno? he's looked bad in his 1st 600 major league at bats, just like aramis, brandon phillips, jose reyes, and probably quite a bit more. but you've given up any hope of cedeno being good.

[illiniguy]

Anybody check out Aramis Ramirez's first 600 PA in the majors?

 

that's what i'm saying. it's not like felix pie is jason dubois, a relatively polished player arriving in the big leagues who should already have a pretty good idea of how to hit big league pitching. pie is very talented, just like aramis was; aramis was clueless at the plate early on, but he had the natural ability and enough smarts to learn some plate discipline, and he ended up becoming a great player. unpolished players - and Lord knows that the cubs can churn these out, since the organization has no idea how to teach plate discipline - need more time to adjust at the big league level than guys who already have a good sense of pitch recognition and working the count. pie was pretty average in his first crack at iowa, then tore the league up in 2007. let's give him some time to see if he can make similar adjustments at this level. if not, then he's a bust, but there's no sense giving up on him right now.

 

why don't you share the same patience with ronny cedeno? he's looked bad in his 1st 600 major league at bats, just like aramis, brandon phillips, jose reyes, and probably quite a bit more. but you've given up any hope of cedeno being good.

Because Cedeno really up until last year never dominated a league like Pie has.

[JimSorgi]

Willie Mays also used to be 23. Just saying.

[fromthestretch]

It certainly is not an overreaction. The problem most Cub fans have is admitting that he's just another in the long line of overhyped and overrated Cub prospects. So they keep making exuses that he's still only 23 years of age or he still only has 175 ab's.

 

The comparison's to Patterson are not fair but the one thing you can compare these 2 together is that Corey Patterson was once 23 years of age and Corey Patterson once only had 175 ab's and Cub fans were saying the exact same thing about him then. Meanwhile they could've traded him while his value was atleast fairly high but they didn't and that didn't turn out too well did it. Then all of you who were saying to give COrey time to develope, rip Hendry for not trading him and getting something back for him while he had some value.

 

Admit it Cub fans and stop making excuses for him, he will never live up to your expectations. He has showed me zero. This isn't the Minor Leagues no more Johnny. He's a bust.

 

I bet the Phillies are glad they didn't give up on Mike Schmidt after his first 200 plate appearances. Same for the Mariners with A-Rod and the Giants with Matt Williams. Jersey gave a great example with Aramis earlier. The sad thing here is that I have to add the disclaimer that I'm not claiming Pie will have the success any of them did.

 

It would be one thing if Pie didn't hit in the minors or was 26 or was fat, slow and only capable of playing 1B. However, when he has shown promise at every level, is only 23, and is a very good defensive centerfielder, it certainly is an overreaction to write him off at this stage.

[rocket]

Anybody check out Aramis Ramirez's first 600 PA in the majors?

 

that's what i'm saying. it's not like felix pie is jason dubois, a relatively polished player arriving in the big leagues who should already have a pretty good idea of how to hit big league pitching. pie is very talented, just like aramis was; aramis was clueless at the plate early on, but he had the natural ability and enough smarts to learn some plate discipline, and he ended up becoming a great player. unpolished players - and Lord knows that the cubs can churn these out, since the organization has no idea how to teach plate discipline - need more time to adjust at the big league level than guys who already have a good sense of pitch recognition and working the count. pie was pretty average in his first crack at iowa, then tore the league up in 2007. let's give him some time to see if he can make similar adjustments at this level. if not, then he's a bust, but there's no sense giving up on him right now.

 

why don't you share the same patience with ronny cedeno? he's looked bad in his 1st 600 major league at bats, just like aramis, brandon phillips, jose reyes, and probably quite a bit more. but you've given up any hope of cedeno being good.

Because Cedeno really up until last year never dominated a league like Pie has.

 

their production in iowa is pretty close.