Official get rid of Theriot thread.

[Sammy Sofa]

Probably not salvageable at this point but I recall at 1 point, that Theriot was a very likable player and one that got a lot of support here at the beginning.

 

He got support in that he was much more preferrable to Izturius at the time. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. It was generally hoped that by this point at the latest the Cubs would have addressed their SS problem.

[CubbieBum]

Just so you guys know the Theriot appreciation thread has more posts that the get rid of him thread :P . Then again 9/10 of the posts are people from this thread hopping into that one to bash him :roll: .

[CubbieBum]

Just so you guys know the Theriot appreciation thread has more posts that the get rid of him thread :P . Then again 9/10 of the posts are people from this thread hopping into that one to bash him :roll: .

[CubbieBum]

Just so you guys know the Theriot appreciation thread has more posts that the get rid of him thread :P . Then again 9/10 of the posts are people from this thread hopping into that one to bash him :roll: .

[javy knows my name]

If you keep triple-posting, this thread will catch up in no time

[CubbieBum]

If you keep triple-posting, this thread will catch up in no time

 

Got to get my post count up somehow #-o .

 

Stupid internet in my apartment goes in and out. Kept stopping before it would take me away from the post screen. Guess it was actually posting.

[Guest]

Theriot got support at the time because he seems like a good guy, he had a very positive BB/K ratio in the minors and nobody really expected him to play anything other than a part-time role. People are upset now because he's in a role that is too big for his skills.

 

However, the wide-ranging condemnation boggles my mind.

 

I can't stand the overreactive booing at Wrigley these days and I don't much care for its equivalent here, either.

[jersey cubs fan]

Theriot got support at the time because he seems like a good guy, he had a very positive BB/K ratio in the minors and nobody really expected him to play anything other than a part-time role. People are upset now because he's in a role that is too big for his skills.

 

However, the wide-ranging condemnation boggles my mind.

 

I can't stand the overreactive booing at Wrigley these days and I don't much care for its equivalent here, either.

 

That's only because you were his biggest fan.

[Guest]

Theriot got support at the time because he seems like a good guy, he had a very positive BB/K ratio in the minors and nobody really expected him to play anything other than a part-time role. People are upset now because he's in a role that is too big for his skills.

 

However, the wide-ranging condemnation boggles my mind.

 

I can't stand the overreactive booing at Wrigley these days and I don't much care for its equivalent here, either.

 

That's only because you were his biggest fan.

Well, there is that...

[RegulusBlue]

I'm pretty sure that Theriot is going to prove me right before very long. He's just not a good baseball player at this level.

 

If we miss the playoffs by a game, and he bats leadoff the whole time, I am willing to bet he'll have a lot to do with it.

 

Season Theriot Prediction:

 

.272/.325/.340 high end

.268/.308/.320 middle

.262/.298/.300 end of the world

 

I'm rooting for the last one simply so we can unload him from that leadoff spot sooner.

 

Update: Weak grounder to end the inning on 4/3 with bags juiced. Nice.

[imb]

Theriot got support at the time because he seems like a good guy, he had a very positive BB/K ratio in the minors and nobody really expected him to play anything other than a part-time role. People are upset now because he's in a role that is too big for his skills.

 

However, the wide-ranging condemnation boggles my mind.

 

I can't stand the overreactive booing at Wrigley these days and I don't much care for its equivalent here, either.

 

Why? He's a bad fielder, and a poor hitter, but he starts at one the most important defensive positions on the field and barring injury will likely get more PAs than anyone not named Soriano.

 

What kind of reaction do you expect? I admit that a lot of the hate is overblown, but he's a bad player in every aspect of the game, it's absurd to expect people to not talk about how bad he is.

[Guest]

Theriot got support at the time because he seems like a good guy, he had a very positive BB/K ratio in the minors and nobody really expected him to play anything other than a part-time role. People are upset now because he's in a role that is too big for his skills.

 

However, the wide-ranging condemnation boggles my mind.

 

I can't stand the overreactive booing at Wrigley these days and I don't much care for its equivalent here, either.

 

Why? He's a bad fielder, and a poor hitter, but he starts at one the most important defensive positions on the field and barring injury will likely get more PAs than anyone not named Soriano.

 

What kind of reaction do you expect? I admit that a lot of the hate is overblown, but he's a bad player in every aspect of the game, it's absurd to expect people to not talk about how bad he is.

I'm more than happy to have people talk about his shortcomings as a player. Goodness knows there are plenty to keep the conversation going. However, for people to jump all over anyone that says anything positive whatsoever about Theriot (or anyone else) is ridiculous. There's a way to disagree and make a point in a civil manner. That type of disagreement/conversation has been in short supply around here lately and I'm tired of it. Why does everything have to be so polarized? Just because Theriot is not a good player does not mean that he won't contribute positive things during the year. It doesn't mean that everyone should automatically hate the guy. He's out there living his dream and doing everything within his skillset to help the team. I admire the heck out of the guy for getting the most out of the talent that he has.

 

It's not his fault he's our starting ss and top of the order hitter. Hate Hendry & Lou for that.

[TruffleShuffle]

It's not his fault he's our starting ss and top of the order hitter. Hate Hendry & Lou for that.

 

yeah, this is my biggest problem with the theriot-bashing. he is what he is. it's not like he doesn't give a crap; he does the best he can, which isn't very good, but it's not like he signed a huge deal and stopped trying, or is taking the place of someone who would be great. it's lou's fault that he's not hitting 8th, and it's hendry's fault that there isn't a clear better option so that theriot could be a utility guy off the bench, which is the role that he's better suited for.

[jersey cubs fan]

Theriot got support at the time because he seems like a good guy, he had a very positive BB/K ratio in the minors and nobody really expected him to play anything other than a part-time role. People are upset now because he's in a role that is too big for his skills.

 

However, the wide-ranging condemnation boggles my mind.

 

I can't stand the overreactive booing at Wrigley these days and I don't much care for its equivalent here, either.

 

Why? He's a bad fielder, and a poor hitter, but he starts at one the most important defensive positions on the field and barring injury will likely get more PAs than anyone not named Soriano.

 

What kind of reaction do you expect? I admit that a lot of the hate is overblown, but he's a bad player in every aspect of the game, it's absurd to expect people to not talk about how bad he is.

I'm more than happy to have people talk about his shortcomings as a player. Goodness knows there are plenty to keep the conversation going. However, for people to jump all over anyone that says anything positive whatsoever about Theriot (or anyone else) is ridiculous. There's a way to disagree and make a point in a civil manner. That type of disagreement/conversation has been in short supply around here lately and I'm tired of it. Why does everything have to be so polarized? Just because Theriot is not a good player does not mean that he won't contribute positive things during the year. It doesn't mean that everyone should automatically hate the guy. He's out there living his dream and doing everything within his skillset to help the team. I admire the heck out of the guy for getting the most out of the talent that he has.

 

It's not his fault he's our starting ss and top of the order hitter. Hate Hendry & Lou for that.

 

Come on now Tim. I appreciate the keep it civil message, but "he's going to contribute positive things this year?" Almost every horrible baseball player has contributed something positive at some point. That doesn't justifty their placement on a major league roster, or starting lineup. It's the rate at which he contributes negatively that is the problem.

 

I'm sorry, but this is professional baseball, and fans have the right to expect professional, ie, quality, caliber play, not just a guy living his dream and making the most of his gifts.

[TruffleShuffle]

Come on now Tim. I appreciate the keep it civil message, but "he's going to contribute positive things this year?" Almost every horrible baseball player has contributed something positive at some point. That doesn't justifty their placement on a major league roster, or starting lineup. It's the rate at which he contributes negatively that is the problem.

 

I'm sorry, but this is professional baseball, and fans have the right to expect professional, ie, quality, caliber play, not just a guy living his dream and making the most of his gifts.

 

yes fans do have the right to do that, but why take it out on the guy who is being miscast as a starting shortstop for a division-contending team?

[imb]

This is ridiculous.

 

No one is threatening to burn down Theriot's house or kidnap his family. He's bad at baseball, so people are admitting it. The negative hyperbole is no worse than the positive.

[RegulusBlue]

Just because Theriot is not a good player does not mean that he won't contribute positive things during the year.

 

He most certainly will. The problem is that he'll do it less than our other players. A lot less. We're "hiding" our worst player in the leadoff spot and the most important defensive position on the diamond.

[Derwood]

This is ridiculous.

 

No one is threatening to burn down Theriot's house or kidnap his family. He's bad at baseball, so people are admitting it. The negative hyperbole is no worse than the positive.

 

*puts matches and handcuffs down, backs away*

[Sammy Sofa]

Even Neifi hit that grand slam that one time.

[jersey cubs fan]

Come on now Tim. I appreciate the keep it civil message, but "he's going to contribute positive things this year?" Almost every horrible baseball player has contributed something positive at some point. That doesn't justifty their placement on a major league roster, or starting lineup. It's the rate at which he contributes negatively that is the problem.

 

I'm sorry, but this is professional baseball, and fans have the right to expect professional, ie, quality, caliber play, not just a guy living his dream and making the most of his gifts.

 

yes fans do have the right to do that, but why take it out on the guy who is being miscast as a starting shortstop for a division-contending team?

 

How is anybody taking it out on him? I've only "seen" the Monday game, but I'm sure it's a safe bet to say he's still a Wrigley favorite. Nobody is harrassing him. Nobody is beating him up. People are complaining and pointing out that he sucks. He's a professional baseball player who is incapable of doing his job at an acceptable level. Those types of people get talked about in negative ways by fans, it's always been that way and always will. We said the same things about Alfonseca, Pierre, Neifi, Hundley and all the rest.

 

I've got nothing to say about Theriot the individual. I know nothing about him. I do have a problem with Theriot the baseball player. And it doesn't matter that it's not his fault he's the starting SS and top of the order hitter. It wasn't Alf's fault he was closer at one point. Guys who suck at their job piss fans off.

Edited April 3, 2008 by jersey cubs fan

[Guest]

Instead of arguing this piecemeal, I think it's time to write the ol' annual article for the site.

[TruffleShuffle]

Come on now Tim. I appreciate the keep it civil message, but "he's going to contribute positive things this year?" Almost every horrible baseball player has contributed something positive at some point. That doesn't justifty their placement on a major league roster, or starting lineup. It's the rate at which he contributes negatively that is the problem.

 

I'm sorry, but this is professional baseball, and fans have the right to expect professional, ie, quality, caliber play, not just a guy living his dream and making the most of his gifts.

 

yes fans do have the right to do that, but why take it out on the guy who is being miscast as a starting shortstop for a division-contending team?

 

How is anybody taking it out on him? I've only "seen" the Monday game, but I'm sure it's a safe bet to say he's still a Wrigley favorite. Nobody is harrassing him. Nobody is beating him up. People are complaining and pointing out that he sucks. He's a professional baseball player who is incapable of doing his job at an acceptable level. Those types of people get talked about in negative ways by fans, it's always been that way and always will. We said the same things about Alfonseca, Pierre, Neifi, Hundley and all the rest.

 

(a) alfonseca was fat and a grump

(b) pierre used to be good, and he seemed proud of the fact that he didn't walk

© neifi probably got more crap than he should have; more of the anger should've gone toward dusty

(d) hundley was an a-hole and a drunk, and he used to be good

 

 

i think you will generally see a lot more anger directed toward guys who used to be good and aren't any more, and there's probably at least a decent reason for that.

[badger1679666666]

Theriot sucks, but Ronny Sucks JUST AS MUCH.

 

If he started for the whole year, I guarantee he'd be the NSBB mob-approved whipping boy instead.

 

Bury either of them in the 8 hole, and lets get on with it.

[TruffleShuffle]

Theriot sucks, but Ronny Sucks JUST AS MUCH.

 

If he started for the whole year, I guarantee he'd be the NSBB mob-approved whipping boy instead.

 

don't be so sure. he has the almighty "potential" and that allows him a lot longer rope.

[Tracer Bullet]

Theriot sucks, but Ronny Sucks JUST AS MUCH.

 

If he started for the whole year, I guarantee he'd be the NSBB mob-approved whipping boy instead.

 

don't be so sure. he has the almighty "potential" and that allows him a lot longer rope.

 

Are you really arguing that young players that have shown great success in the minors shouldn't be given more "rope" than players that have been average or bad in the minors and downright terrible in the majors in their peak years?