Can Theriot actually be adequate?

[UK1679666180]

Defensively the argument is much the same, IMO.

 

Theriot is bad to mediocre, Cedeno could be worse, but has the potential to be much better.

 

How long do you have to wait for defensive potential, is the this same as waiting for offensive potential? Not only are we hoping he can hit, but now we're hoping he can make routine plays, this is a SS?

 

I'll give him credit for hitting at AAA which provides some offensive hope, defensively, he has always shown to be too careless and prone to mistakes.

 

This Winter did not help his cause, how many errors did he have at SS? (That's not including the games in the OF).

[javy knows my name]

Meh on errors. He gets a lot more chances than Theriot and while he does botch routine plays, his bigger number of chances makes for a bigger number of errors.

CubbieBum, you are in over your head. You are new here and you are making tired arguments that just don't fly here. No one save for DeuceBaseman probably agrees with what you've said here. So take a step back and read some other threads and try FJM. The way to evaluate players changed with this little book called Moneyball that everyone worth anything on here endorses. Old-timey attributes like speed, batting average, RBI, runs etc aren't the way to evaluate a player - they are a way to overvalue him. And given that Theriot only demonstrates two of these meaningless attributes with any proficiency doesn't help your case.

To the person who suggested that arguing with new members who are clueless and somewhat set in their ways is useless (Constable?), I think it kind of worked in the case of LLF. Plus it's fun.

[nilodnayr]

I'm guessing this was already brought up but Theriot's minor league MLE in 2005 was 258/313/341 with a 234 EqA. In 2006 it was 268/327/335 for a 242 EqA. Both of those lines are really close to his 2007 line.

 

Since we are now talking about MLEs, I'll quote myself here...

 

Also, do Theriot supporters realized that he had one month, ONE, where he OPSed over 700 last year?

[UK1679666180]

Sure, although I've said he's a utility player starting at SS. I don't want the Cubs to try and find out whether on Cedeno can progress to a utility player by starting him.

 

As far as the improved range leading to more errors b/c of more chances, the difference in range is likely less costly than the difference in errors.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sure, although I've said he's a utility player starting at SS. I don't want the Cubs to try and find out whether on Cedeno can progress to a utility player by starting him.

 

As far as the improved range leading to more errors b/c of more chances, the difference in range is likely less costly than the difference in errors.

 

It's not as if Ronny made an epic amount of errors in '06. He made 23. Not great, but he's not Jose Offerman out there.

[UK1679666180]

He was tied for 23rd out 25 SS that qualified in fielding %, last year at Iowa he had 15 errors in 75 games at SS and combine that with what he did over the Winter and I don't see it.

 

He's been playing SS since he was on the Island, waiting for him to grasp fielding at SS left awhile ago.

[Rob]

He was tied for 23rd out 25 SS that qualified in fielding %, last year at Iowa he had 15 errors in 75 games at SS and combine that with what he did over the Winter and I don't see it.

 

He's been playing SS since he was on the Island, waiting for him to grasp fielding at SS left awhile ago.

 

Ping, you know fielding percentage is a flawed metric. Why are you lowering yourself to using it?

[UK1679666180]

How flawed is it when errors are the #1 reason why he has struggled to stick at SS? He has good enough range and arm strength, yet he can't prevent high amounts of errors.

 

I know in the grand scheme of things it's flawed b/c it doesn't account for range, but it shows where his problem is.

 

That problem happens to be a major red flag as to why I feel more comfortable with the Cubs going with Theriot over Cedeno.