Re: The Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

[rawaction]

Look at some of the NFLs top rushing attacks. Obviously teams like Minnesota, Jacksonville and San Diego had star quality backs. But you have teams like Cleveland, Tampa, Green Bay, Oakland, NYGiants, and Denver among the league's elite rushing attacks. None of those teams had franchise backs. Jamal Lewis, Ernest Graham, Ryan Grant, Justin Fargas, and Selvin Young (those teams leading rushers) are not as talented as Cedric Benson. Nobody wanted those guys before this season. I'll give Brandon Jacobs a possible edge, but he's been just as injury prone. I'll also point out that the 9 teams I've named in this post probably had 9 of the top 12 offensive lines in the league (add in Colts, Steelers, Pats).

[Magnetic Curses]

Let's take a look at some random iGuy's top 15 running backs:

 

1. Darren McFadden- Arkansas

2. Jonathan Stewart- Oregon

3. Felix Jones- Arkansas

4. Rashard Mendenhall- Illinois

5. Jamaal Charles- Texas

6. Ray Rice- Rutgers

7. Chris Johnson- East Carolina

8. Kevin Smith- Central Florida

9. Tashard Choice- Georgia Tech

10. Steve Slaton- West Virginia

11. Matt Forte- Tulane

12. Mike Hart- Michigan

13. Allen Patrick- Oklahoma

14. Dantrell Savage- Oklahoma State

15. Rafael Little- Kentucky

 

Incredible depth and a lot of dudes who bring a dimension that the Bears currently don't have.

 

that's an impressive list, but the bears need to go early with an o-lineman if they keep their first pick.

[Chocolate Milk]

Look at some of the NFLs top rushing attacks. Obviously teams like Minnesota, Jacksonville and San Diego had star quality backs. But you have teams like Cleveland, Tampa, Green Bay, Oakland, NYGiants, and Denver among the league's elite rushing attacks. None of those teams had franchise backs. Jamal Lewis, Ernest Graham, Ryan Grant, Justin Fargas, and Selvin Young (those teams leading rushers) are not as talented as Cedric Benson. Nobody wanted those guys before this season. I'll give Brandon Jacobs a possible edge, but he's been just as injury prone. I'll also point out that the 9 teams I've named in this post probably had 9 of the top 12 offensive lines in the league (add in Colts, Steelers, Pats).

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that the Bears should spend a first rounder trying to get a franchise back. I'm saying there is value at RB in this draft and the Bears currently have poor running backs.

 

I wouldn't say that Oakland had an elite rushing attack. I also think it's pretty obvious that we are not in agreement regarding Benson's talent level. Jacobs a possible edge over Benson? Jacobs is everything Benson wishes he could be but isn't. Jamal Lewis isn't as talented as Benson? Lewis is old, but Benson will never ever be as good as Jamal Lewis is. Draft Position =/= Talent. Out of backs with more than 75 carries last year, Benson ranked 49 out of 56.

 

I understand the position that RB's are more a product of circumstance but getting a good back can improve the running game. I don't think we're likely to agree about this.

Edited February 9, 2008 by Chocolate Milk

[Chocolate Milk]

Let's take a look at some random iGuy's top 15 running backs:

 

1. Darren McFadden- Arkansas

2. Jonathan Stewart- Oregon

3. Felix Jones- Arkansas

4. Rashard Mendenhall- Illinois

5. Jamaal Charles- Texas

6. Ray Rice- Rutgers

7. Chris Johnson- East Carolina

8. Kevin Smith- Central Florida

9. Tashard Choice- Georgia Tech

10. Steve Slaton- West Virginia

11. Matt Forte- Tulane

12. Mike Hart- Michigan

13. Allen Patrick- Oklahoma

14. Dantrell Savage- Oklahoma State

15. Rafael Little- Kentucky

 

Incredible depth and a lot of dudes who bring a dimension that the Bears currently don't have.

 

that's an impressive list, but the bears need to go early with an o-lineman if they keep their first pick.

The O-line should be the offseason's #1 priority, I agree.

[rawaction]

Look at some of the NFLs top rushing attacks. Obviously teams like Minnesota, Jacksonville and San Diego had star quality backs. But you have teams like Cleveland, Tampa, Green Bay, Oakland, NYGiants, and Denver among the league's elite rushing attacks. None of those teams had franchise backs. Jamal Lewis, Ernest Graham, Ryan Grant, Justin Fargas, and Selvin Young (those teams leading rushers) are not as talented as Cedric Benson. Nobody wanted those guys before this season. I'll give Brandon Jacobs a possible edge, but he's been just as injury prone. I'll also point out that the 9 teams I've named in this post probably had 9 of the top 12 offensive lines in the league (add in Colts, Steelers, Pats).

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that the Bears should spend a first rounder trying to get a franchise back. I'm saying there is value at RB in this draft and the Bears currently have poor running backs.

 

I wouldn't say that Oakland had an elite rushing attack. I also think it's pretty obvious that we are not in agreement regarding Benson's talent level. Jacobs a possible edge over Benson? Jacobs is everything Benson wishes he could be but isn't. Jamal Lewis isn't as talented as Benson? Lewis is old, but Benson will never ever be as good as Jamal Lewis is. Draft Position =/= Talent. Out of backs with more than 75 carries last year, Benson ranked 49 out of 56.

 

I understand the position that RB's are more a product of circumstance but getting a good back can improve the running game. I don't think we're likely to agree about this.

 

Where did Peterson rank?

 

Also, fyi, Oakland was top 5-7 in YPC. I agree the biggest disagreement we are having is over Benson's talent level. I agree that draft position =/= talent. But I think most Bears fans conceeded that Benson was a better back than Thomas Jones after 2006. How did he go from better than TJ to one of the worst in the league talent wise? He has started for 1 season and probably barely has a full seasons worth of NFL carries in his career. It's too soon to give up on him. Drafting a RB this year, anywhere, means the Bears are giving up on Cedric, as Wolfe and Peterson are cheap and aren't going anywhere either because of versatility.

[Chocolate Milk]

Look at some of the NFLs top rushing attacks. Obviously teams like Minnesota, Jacksonville and San Diego had star quality backs. But you have teams like Cleveland, Tampa, Green Bay, Oakland, NYGiants, and Denver among the league's elite rushing attacks. None of those teams had franchise backs. Jamal Lewis, Ernest Graham, Ryan Grant, Justin Fargas, and Selvin Young (those teams leading rushers) are not as talented as Cedric Benson. Nobody wanted those guys before this season. I'll give Brandon Jacobs a possible edge, but he's been just as injury prone. I'll also point out that the 9 teams I've named in this post probably had 9 of the top 12 offensive lines in the league (add in Colts, Steelers, Pats).

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that the Bears should spend a first rounder trying to get a franchise back. I'm saying there is value at RB in this draft and the Bears currently have poor running backs.

 

I wouldn't say that Oakland had an elite rushing attack. I also think it's pretty obvious that we are not in agreement regarding Benson's talent level. Jacobs a possible edge over Benson? Jacobs is everything Benson wishes he could be but isn't. Jamal Lewis isn't as talented as Benson? Lewis is old, but Benson will never ever be as good as Jamal Lewis is. Draft Position =/= Talent. Out of backs with more than 75 carries last year, Benson ranked 49 out of 56.

 

I understand the position that RB's are more a product of circumstance but getting a good back can improve the running game. I don't think we're likely to agree about this.

 

Where did Peterson rank?

 

Also, fyi, Oakland was top 5-7 in YPC. I agree the biggest disagreement we are having is over Benson's talent level. I agree that draft position =/= talent. But I think most Bears fans conceeded that Benson was a better back than Thomas Jones after 2006. How did he go from better than TJ to one of the worst in the league talent wise? He has started for 1 season and probably barely has a full seasons worth of NFL carries in his career. It's too soon to give up on him. Drafting a RB this year, anywhere, means the Bears are giving up on Cedric, as Wolfe and Peterson are cheap and aren't going anywhere either because of versatility.

 

Peterson ranked 51st. However, he ranked very well as a pass catching back which makes him more valuable. (Benson ranked 46th out of 58)

 

I thought that Benson was at least as good as Thomas Jones before entering this season. This was based on the fact that his production was roughly equivilent in 2006 and I thought he would have some upside (I'll sheepishly admit here that this was mostly based on his draft position), for lack of a better word. Well, now we have an additional year of information available and I have altered my opinion on Benson accordingly. You mentioned that Benson is more talented than many successful backs in the league. How so? You're a knowledgeable fan so I'd be interested to hear your opinion. I'm frequently wrong so it's possible I've missed something.

 

When I look at Benson, I see a guy who doesn't have great speed, isn't elusive, has average vision, has poor hands, doesn't pick up the blitz, and doesn't break a lot of tackles. He's an all around liability in the passing game. He is taken out of the game in third and long situations. I'm struggling to come up with positives honestly. He doesn't fumble much.

 

I'm not sure that I would agree that drafting a running back anywhere would mean giving up on Benson. I tried to look up and down some rosters to see how unusual it is to roster 4RB's but it was boring and I wasn't sure which guys were on the PS, etc. Let's not forget that Benson will be coming back from a serious leg injury.

 

Maybe I'm irrationally down on Benson but I really haven't seen anything lately to make me a fan.

Edited February 9, 2008 by Chocolate Milk

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Look at some of the NFLs top rushing attacks. Obviously teams like Minnesota, Jacksonville and San Diego had star quality backs. But you have teams like Cleveland, Tampa, Green Bay, Oakland, NYGiants, and Denver among the league's elite rushing attacks. None of those teams had franchise backs. Jamal Lewis, Ernest Graham, Ryan Grant, Justin Fargas, and Selvin Young (those teams leading rushers) are not as talented as Cedric Benson. Nobody wanted those guys before this season. I'll give Brandon Jacobs a possible edge, but he's been just as injury prone. I'll also point out that the 9 teams I've named in this post probably had 9 of the top 12 offensive lines in the league (add in Colts, Steelers, Pats).

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that the Bears should spend a first rounder trying to get a franchise back. I'm saying there is value at RB in this draft and the Bears currently have poor running backs.

 

I wouldn't say that Oakland had an elite rushing attack. I also think it's pretty obvious that we are not in agreement regarding Benson's talent level. Jacobs a possible edge over Benson? Jacobs is everything Benson wishes he could be but isn't. Jamal Lewis isn't as talented as Benson? Lewis is old, but Benson will never ever be as good as Jamal Lewis is. Draft Position =/= Talent. Out of backs with more than 75 carries last year, Benson ranked 49 out of 56.

 

I understand the position that RB's are more a product of circumstance but getting a good back can improve the running game. I don't think we're likely to agree about this.

 

Where did Peterson rank?

 

Also, fyi, Oakland was top 5-7 in YPC. I agree the biggest disagreement we are having is over Benson's talent level. I agree that draft position =/= talent. But I think most Bears fans conceeded that Benson was a better back than Thomas Jones after 2006. How did he go from better than TJ to one of the worst in the league talent wise? He has started for 1 season and probably barely has a full seasons worth of NFL carries in his career. It's too soon to give up on him. Drafting a RB this year, anywhere, means the Bears are giving up on Cedric, as Wolfe and Peterson are cheap and aren't going anywhere either because of versatility.

 

I had so many arguments with you guys last year because I thought people were just dismissing jones as a mediocre back and they though benson would be a an automatic upgrade production wise. Cedric didnt lose talent, the offensive line gained age, injuries, and overall badness.

[Chocolate Milk]

Look at some of the NFLs top rushing attacks. Obviously teams like Minnesota, Jacksonville and San Diego had star quality backs. But you have teams like Cleveland, Tampa, Green Bay, Oakland, NYGiants, and Denver among the league's elite rushing attacks. None of those teams had franchise backs. Jamal Lewis, Ernest Graham, Ryan Grant, Justin Fargas, and Selvin Young (those teams leading rushers) are not as talented as Cedric Benson. Nobody wanted those guys before this season. I'll give Brandon Jacobs a possible edge, but he's been just as injury prone. I'll also point out that the 9 teams I've named in this post probably had 9 of the top 12 offensive lines in the league (add in Colts, Steelers, Pats).

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that the Bears should spend a first rounder trying to get a franchise back. I'm saying there is value at RB in this draft and the Bears currently have poor running backs.

 

I wouldn't say that Oakland had an elite rushing attack. I also think it's pretty obvious that we are not in agreement regarding Benson's talent level. Jacobs a possible edge over Benson? Jacobs is everything Benson wishes he could be but isn't. Jamal Lewis isn't as talented as Benson? Lewis is old, but Benson will never ever be as good as Jamal Lewis is. Draft Position =/= Talent. Out of backs with more than 75 carries last year, Benson ranked 49 out of 56.

 

I understand the position that RB's are more a product of circumstance but getting a good back can improve the running game. I don't think we're likely to agree about this.

 

Where did Peterson rank?

 

Also, fyi, Oakland was top 5-7 in YPC. I agree the biggest disagreement we are having is over Benson's talent level. I agree that draft position =/= talent. But I think most Bears fans conceeded that Benson was a better back than Thomas Jones after 2006. How did he go from better than TJ to one of the worst in the league talent wise? He has started for 1 season and probably barely has a full seasons worth of NFL carries in his career. It's too soon to give up on him. Drafting a RB this year, anywhere, means the Bears are giving up on Cedric, as Wolfe and Peterson are cheap and aren't going anywhere either because of versatility.

 

I had so many arguments with you guys last year because I thought people were just dismissing jones as a mediocre back and they though benson would be a an automatic upgrade production wise. Cedric didnt lose talent, the offensive line gained age, injuries, and overall badness.

I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make here.

 

Most people, myself included, considered Jones to be a slightly above average running back running behind a good offensive line. Jones really hasn't done anything to prove me wrong. Speaking for myself, I figured since Benson ran similarly well behind the same line, there wouldn't be much, if any, drop off in production.

 

The line got a lot worse and Benson isn't exactly the kind of back that is going to make something out of nothing. We all saw the results. Would Jones have preformed better under the same circumstances? I'm not sure but he probably couldn't have done much worse.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Look at some of the NFLs top rushing attacks. Obviously teams like Minnesota, Jacksonville and San Diego had star quality backs. But you have teams like Cleveland, Tampa, Green Bay, Oakland, NYGiants, and Denver among the league's elite rushing attacks. None of those teams had franchise backs. Jamal Lewis, Ernest Graham, Ryan Grant, Justin Fargas, and Selvin Young (those teams leading rushers) are not as talented as Cedric Benson. Nobody wanted those guys before this season. I'll give Brandon Jacobs a possible edge, but he's been just as injury prone. I'll also point out that the 9 teams I've named in this post probably had 9 of the top 12 offensive lines in the league (add in Colts, Steelers, Pats).

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that the Bears should spend a first rounder trying to get a franchise back. I'm saying there is value at RB in this draft and the Bears currently have poor running backs.

 

I wouldn't say that Oakland had an elite rushing attack. I also think it's pretty obvious that we are not in agreement regarding Benson's talent level. Jacobs a possible edge over Benson? Jacobs is everything Benson wishes he could be but isn't. Jamal Lewis isn't as talented as Benson? Lewis is old, but Benson will never ever be as good as Jamal Lewis is. Draft Position =/= Talent. Out of backs with more than 75 carries last year, Benson ranked 49 out of 56.

 

I understand the position that RB's are more a product of circumstance but getting a good back can improve the running game. I don't think we're likely to agree about this.

 

Where did Peterson rank?

 

Also, fyi, Oakland was top 5-7 in YPC. I agree the biggest disagreement we are having is over Benson's talent level. I agree that draft position =/= talent. But I think most Bears fans conceeded that Benson was a better back than Thomas Jones after 2006. How did he go from better than TJ to one of the worst in the league talent wise? He has started for 1 season and probably barely has a full seasons worth of NFL carries in his career. It's too soon to give up on him. Drafting a RB this year, anywhere, means the Bears are giving up on Cedric, as Wolfe and Peterson are cheap and aren't going anywhere either because of versatility.

 

I had so many arguments with you guys last year because I thought people were just dismissing jones as a mediocre back and they though benson would be a an automatic upgrade production wise. Cedric didnt lose talent, the offensive line gained age, injuries, and overall badness.

I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make here.

 

Most people, myself included, considered Jones to be a slightly above average running back running behind a good offensive line. Jones really hasn't done anything to prove me wrong. Speaking for myself, I figured since Benson ran similarly well behind the same line, there wouldn't be much, if any, drop off in production.

 

The line got a lot worse and Benson isn't exactly the kind of back that is going to make something out of nothing. We all saw the results. Would Jones have preformed better under the same circumstances? I'm not sure but he probably couldn't have done much worse.

 

 

he did essentually have the same situation with the Jets, and hasnt done any better then Benson. Granted, he didnt get hurt like Benson, but his #'s weren't eye-popping in comparison.

 

Benson is fine. he needs compitition to motivate him, but thats cool. there are plenty of good backs in this draft to provide some.

 

Jones:

 

http://www.nfl.com/players/thomasjones/profile?id=JON755755

 

Benson:

 

http://www.nfl.com/players/cedricbenson/profile?id=BEN508718

 

 

Jones is only slightly better in ave, while Benson is better in TD's

[UK1679666180]

Bears priorities:

 

O-line

WR

HB

QB

LB

S

DT

 

The Bears are most likely in a position for best player avail. rather than a specific need.

 

I'll wait for to see how the draft plays out, but I hope they address the O-Line in FA and then WR, HB, and QB in the draft.

 

The only reason why Grossman and Benson should be in a starting role next year is b/c the Bears were not able to improve that position b/c they ran out of time, money, etc. rather than being content w/either of them ove the long-term.

 

Both have played below avg. with the ceiling of an avg. player at each position.

[mcgoobs]

Look at some of the NFLs top rushing attacks. Obviously teams like Minnesota, Jacksonville and San Diego had star quality backs. But you have teams like Cleveland, Tampa, Green Bay, Oakland, NYGiants, and Denver among the league's elite rushing attacks. None of those teams had franchise backs. Jamal Lewis, Ernest Graham, Ryan Grant, Justin Fargas, and Selvin Young (those teams leading rushers) are not as talented as Cedric Benson. Nobody wanted those guys before this season. I'll give Brandon Jacobs a possible edge, but he's been just as injury prone. I'll also point out that the 9 teams I've named in this post probably had 9 of the top 12 offensive lines in the league (add in Colts, Steelers, Pats).

 

Minnesota, San Diego, and Jacksonville also had good offensive lines in 2007.

[Outshined_One]

Some quick thoughts about the upcoming draft, free agency, and the Bears' needs.

 

1) This is a deep, deep draft for OL. By the time the Bears pick, there is a very good chance they could have a potential franchise LT staring them in the face. Guys like Ryan Clady, Jeff Otah, Chris Williams, and Gosder Cherilus all could be available by the time the Bears pick and all of them project to at least be a starting RT in the pros. By the time the second and third rounds roll around, the likelihood of finding a starting LT drops, but there is still some quality to be had. I like Anthony Collins and Carl Nicks, quite honestly.

 

On a side note, I'd have no problems with the Bears picking two OTs in the first and second rounds.

 

2) I see two potential options for Bernard Berrian. It depends on how much he values himself, how much he enjoys playing for the Bears, and how much he likes Chicago. Either he gets a deal that's below market value, but still pays him nicely, or he'll bolt. I don't see the Bears franchising him and I don't see the Bears offering him a big money deal. Given that he's the best WR on the Bears right now and everyone else is either old or unproven, I think there's a good enough chance the Bears will sign him in the offseason not to be too worried about him leaving.

 

3) RB is the biggest tossup this year in the draft for the Bears, imo. Cedric Benson hasn't shown he is a star at RB. He could be slightly above average, but I'm not a big fan of his potential. If the Bears think they have something in Adrian Peterson and Garrett Wolfe as his backups/counterparts, then the Bears won't go anywhere near RB. If they think Benson needs replacing, Stewart, Mendenhall, and Jones all could fit the bill as his replacement. If the Bears aren't sold on Wolfe, someone like Chris Johnson or Steve Slaton could make a lot of sense in the later rounds.

 

4) There are only two guys I'm really sold on at QB in the draft who are attainable by the Bears: Brian Brohm and Josh Johnson. Woodson spooks me because of his delivery and mechanics. Henne hasn't quite sold me. Flacco is massively overhyped and strikes me as another Drew Bledsoe in the making. Erik Ainge's durability and inconsistency are enough to make me leery. However, I really like Brohm's dedication and what he can do with his arm. Johnson is really intriguing as a potential dual threat, but he'll need time to develop. I can see the Bears taking him with one of their third rounders. I don't see Matt Ryan making it to the Bears.

[Banedon]

This thread makes me happy.

[Soul]

Let's take a look at some random iGuy's top 15 running backs:

 

1. Darren McFadden- Arkansas

2. Jonathan Stewart- Oregon

3. Felix Jones- Arkansas

4. Rashard Mendenhall- Illinois

5. Jamaal Charles- Texas

6. Ray Rice- Rutgers

7. Chris Johnson- East Carolina

8. Kevin Smith- Central Florida

9. Tashard Choice- Georgia Tech

10. Steve Slaton- West Virginia

11. Matt Forte- Tulane

12. Mike Hart- Michigan

13. Allen Patrick- Oklahoma

14. Dantrell Savage- Oklahoma State

15. Rafael Little- Kentucky

 

Incredible depth and a lot of dudes who bring a dimension that the Bears currently don't have.

 

that's an impressive list, but the bears need to go early with an o-lineman if they keep their first pick.

The O-line should be the offseason's #1 priority, I agree.

 

Drafting a RB high would be a huge mistake. I pray Angelo isn't even thinking about it.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I want Kenny Phillips so bad it hurts.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I want Kenny Phillips so bad it hurts.

 

I like him too.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Let's take a look at some random iGuy's top 15 running backs:

 

1. Darren McFadden- Arkansas

2. Jonathan Stewart- Oregon

3. Felix Jones- Arkansas

4. Rashard Mendenhall- Illinois

5. Jamaal Charles- Texas

6. Ray Rice- Rutgers

7. Chris Johnson- East Carolina

8. Kevin Smith- Central Florida

9. Tashard Choice- Georgia Tech

10. Steve Slaton- West Virginia

11. Matt Forte- Tulane

12. Mike Hart- Michigan

13. Allen Patrick- Oklahoma

14. Dantrell Savage- Oklahoma State

15. Rafael Little- Kentucky

 

Incredible depth and a lot of dudes who bring a dimension that the Bears currently don't have.

 

that's an impressive list, but the bears need to go early with an o-lineman if they keep their first pick.

The O-line should be the offseason's #1 priority, I agree.

 

Drafting a RB high would be a huge mistake. I pray Angelo isn't even thinking about it.

 

QB or RB or WR would not be a very good idea.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

If this turns into a Joe Flacco love-fest, I might have to stop talking to other Bears fans.

Dude is amazing, problem is the word is out on how much the Bears love him, so there is a good chance he will be gone by the Bears 2nd round pick..so they may have to trade down in the first.

 

Its funny, he left Pitt because they wouldn't give him a shot over Palko..anyone wanna guess what genious made that call?

Edited February 10, 2008 by GoCubsGo!!

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Some Flacco highlights

 

This guys arm is amazing. As for Berrian, not franchising him his a huge mistake. He isn't worth that money, but the Bears have no suitable replacement, so they need to buy themselves a season, IMO.

[Guest]

I want Kenny Phillips so bad it hurts.

 

Ryan Clady.

 

And I'm with Outshined on the overrating of Flacco. He's not worth the 14th pick in the draft. And the Bears better not be trading down for him with a potential franchise LT on the board.

[Outshined_One]

If this turns into a Joe Flacco love-fest, I might have to stop talking to other Bears fans.

Dude is amazing, problem is the word is out on how much the Bears love him, so there is a good chance he will be gone by the Bears 2nd round pick..so they may have to trade down in the first.

 

Its funny, he left Pitt because they wouldn't give him a shot over Palko..anyone wanna guess what genious made that call?

 

He's a freaking statue in the pocket. The guy's footwork is not all that good.

 

He'd get killed behind this offensive line.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

If this turns into a Joe Flacco love-fest, I might have to stop talking to other Bears fans.

Dude is amazing, problem is the word is out on how much the Bears love him, so there is a good chance he will be gone by the Bears 2nd round pick..so they may have to trade down in the first.

 

Its funny, he left Pitt because they wouldn't give him a shot over Palko..anyone wanna guess what genious made that call?

 

He's a freaking statue in the pocket. The guy's footwork is not all that good.

 

That simply isnt true.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I want Kenny Phillips so bad it hurts.

 

Ryan Clady.

 

And I'm with Outshined on the overrating of Flacco. He's not worth the 14th pick in the draft. And the Bears better not be trading down for him with a potential franchise LT on the board.

 

 

I love Clady too. I would take either Clady or Phillips. Phillips would still allow you to hunt for a OT in the 2nd, if you take Clady, you pretty much have to wait until rd 3-4 for a S.

 

I would draft one of Flacco/Henne/Kid from Oregon in Rd 3, but not sooner. Brennan is about the only one who would likely be there, tho.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

He's a freaking statue in the pocket.

 

 

most scouting reports that I've read dont say this, but he does seem to have happy feet.

[Outshined_One]

 

He's a freaking statue in the pocket.

 

 

most scouting reports that I've read dont say this, but he does seem to have happy feet.

 

He has bad footwork, a slow drop back, and almost no mobility whatsoever. I'm willing to bet the guy never had to face off against a quality pass rusher during his time at Delaware.

 

I like his frame and his arm, but I just don't get why everyone thinks the guy is going to be a first day (first two rounds now!) pick.