Santana's been traded to a team in the northeast

[David]

Kevin Mulvey = Back of the rotation kind of guy.

Deolis Guerra = good fast/change combo. #3 more than likely, possible #2.

Carlos Gomez = defensive CF with tools but can't hit.

Philip Humber = Plus curve, average other offerings. Back of the rotation guy.

 

Guerra does have the ceiling to be a #1 if he ever got that curveball.

 

I can't believe the Twins didn't get Fernando Martinez out of this trade at least. Awful, it sounded like the Red Sox were offering more a few months ago in those rumored trades.

 

How would Veal, Gallagher, Pie, and Ceda compare to that package?

 

Just for the sake of speculation. I know it wasn't likely the Cubs could afford to pay him, given the situation.

Edited January 29, 2008 by David

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Might as well just give the NL East the Mets now.

[Guest]

I think these are the 4 that were mentioned yesterday when I posted about the update on MN radio. I'm sure part of it was wanting him in another division.

 

I think Carlos Gomez and Guerra were the two highly ranked prospects. Both came into the minors as 16/17 year olds, so still unsure what upside. Humber was mentioned as a #3 at best, but Guerra supposedly was the one that made the deal happen.

 

Guerra has had injury problems and his curve is not good. It's great that he's still young for each level and he's got a plus FB and plus change, but there are some major question marks for him. I'd rather have had Fernando Martinez and one of Gomez or Guerra.

[Post Count Padder]

Kevin Mulvey = Back of the rotation kind of guy.

Deolis Guerra = good fast/change combo. #3 more than likely, possible #2.

Carlos Gomez = defensive CF with tools but can't hit.

Philip Humber = Plus curve, average other offerings. Back of the rotation guy.

 

Guerra does have the ceiling to be a #1 if he ever got that curveball.

 

I can't believe the Twins didn't get Fernando Martinez out of this trade at least. Awful, it sounded like the Red Sox were offering more a few months ago in those rumored trades.

 

How would Veal, Gallagher, Pie, and Ceda compare to that package?

At first glance probably about the same or slightly better.

[erik316wttn]

Could we have matched that offer? If the team wasn't in limbo right now ownership-wise, do you think we could have been players?

[Derwood]

Could we have matched that offer? If the team wasn't in limbo right now ownership-wise, do you think we could have been players?

 

maybe could've matched in terms of prospects, but not in the ability to extend him 5/110 or 7/150

[UMFan83]

2008 NLCS:

 

Cubs (Zambrano) @ Mets (Santana)

Cubs (Lilly) @ Mets (Martinez)

Mets (Maine) @ Cubs (Hill)

Mets (Perez) @ Cubs (Marquis)

Mets (Santana) @ Cubs (Zambrano)

Cubs (Lilly) @ Mets (Martinez)

Cubs (Zambrano/Hill) @ Mets (Santana/Maine)

[frostwyrm]

Kevin Mulvey = Back of the rotation kind of guy.

Deolis Guerra = good fast/change combo. #3 more than likely, possible #2.

Carlos Gomez = defensive CF with tools but can't hit.

Philip Humber = Plus curve, average other offerings. Back of the rotation guy.

 

Guerra does have the ceiling to be a #1 if he ever got that curveball.

 

I can't believe the Twins didn't get Fernando Martinez out of this trade at least. Awful, it sounded like the Red Sox were offering more a few months ago in those rumored trades.

 

How would Veal, Gallagher, Pie, and Ceda compare to that package?

 

Just for the sake of speculation. I know it wasn't likely the Cubs could afford to pay him, given the situation.

 

The Mets will have to extend Santana at something close to full market value. If you look at all the young talent they traded plus the money involved it amounts to a huge price tag. The Cubs couldn't have afforded it.

[Guest]

Kevin Mulvey = Back of the rotation kind of guy.

Deolis Guerra = good fast/change combo. #3 more than likely, possible #2.

Carlos Gomez = defensive CF with tools but can't hit.

Philip Humber = Plus curve, average other offerings. Back of the rotation guy.

 

Guerra does have the ceiling to be a #1 if he ever got that curveball.

 

I can't believe the Twins didn't get Fernando Martinez out of this trade at least. Awful, it sounded like the Red Sox were offering more a few months ago in those rumored trades.

 

How would Veal, Gallagher, Pie, and Ceda compare to that package?

 

Just for the sake of speculation. I know it wasn't likely the Cubs could afford to pay him, given the situation.

 

If we're not worried about health, Guerra is more likely to have a better big league career than Veal or Ceda. He has a higher ceiling too. Otherwise, Gallagher/Pie are comparable to Mulvey/Gomez (I'd rather have Gallagher/Pie). I'm not a fan of Humber. The Cubs just can't present the better pitching prospect than Guerra right now. (Jmo, of course.)

[Derwood]

so much for the Twins wanting major league ready talent in return

[Guest]

2008 NLCS:

 

Cubs (Zambrano) @ Mets (Santana)

Cubs (Lilly) @ Mets (Martinez)

Mets (Maine) @ Cubs (Hill)

Mets (Perez) @ Cubs (Marquis)

Mets (Santana) @ Cubs (Zambrano)

Cubs (Lilly) @ Mets (Martinez)

Cubs (Zambrano/Hill) @ Mets (Santana/Maine)

 

You mean Gallagher in game 4, don't you?

[Brian]

Twins should have went to the Mariners and told them to stop screwing around with the Orioles and get their Bedard package which is loads better than this. Edited January 29, 2008 by Brian

[Guest]

so much for the Twins wanting major league ready talent in return

 

Gomez and Humber are major league ready, Mulvey probably doesn't need more than half the season.

[hawkeyecub]

I heard Gammons talking about this on ESPNEWS. He said it wouldn't be done until they agreed on a contract but by this time next week he expects Santana to be official the Mets, Bedard to be traded to the Mariners and Roberts traded to the Cubs.

[PrimeTime]

we could've gave them Marmol,Pie,Murton and Cedeno and maybe 1 more

[RedFlash]

Damn. Wish the Red Sox (preferably) or Yanks had gotten him.

 

I'm glad neither team got him, or we would be hearing about Johan Santana, as much as we are hearing about Tom Brady.

 

The Mets getting Santana---at a VERY steep, but worth, IMO---doesn't really affect us, so I am not really concerned about it.

 

 

How does it not affect us? Assuming we even got that far, how would you like facing Santana 3 times in a 7 game NLCS?

 

There's a chance the Cubs wouldn't face him in the regular season. And the playoffs? We should cross that bridge when we (or they) get there. Letting a pitcher---even the one of Santana's ability---to affect you mentally, then maybe you should find players who likes the challenge.

 

Again, if the Cubs have a strong enough mental and physical team in 2008, then facing a guy like Santana SHOULD NOT affect the Cubs. You have to beat the best, to become the best.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

IMO, Santana in the NL, factored huge into the Twins decision..plus he will be there long term.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Twins should have went to the Mariners and told them to stop screwing around with the Orioles and get their Bedard package which is loads better than this.

 

My guess is the Mariners couldn't afford to give Santana the extension, so it would have just been a waste of time.

[Derwood]

so much for the Twins wanting major league ready talent in return

 

Gomez and Humber are major league ready, Mulvey probably doesn't need more than half the season.

 

major league ready on a bad team or a good team? there's a reason they weren't playing on the Mets

[Brian]

so much for the Twins wanting major league ready talent in return

 

Gomez and Humber are major league ready, Mulvey probably doesn't need more than half the season.

 

major league ready on a bad team or a good team? there's a reason they weren't playing on the Mets

 

Well Gomez was blocked by Beltran, and did play while Beltran was hurt.

[UMFan83]

Damn. Wish the Red Sox (preferably) or Yanks had gotten him.

 

I'm glad neither team got him, or we would be hearing about Johan Santana, as much as we are hearing about Tom Brady.

 

The Mets getting Santana---at a VERY steep, but worth, IMO---doesn't really affect us, so I am not really concerned about it.

 

 

How does it not affect us? Assuming we even got that far, how would you like facing Santana 3 times in a 7 game NLCS?

 

There's a chance the Cubs wouldn't face him in the regular season. And the playoffs? We should cross that bridge when we (or they) get there. Letting a pitcher---even the one of Santana's ability---to affect you mentally, then maybe you should find players who likes the challenge.

 

Again, if the Cubs have a strong enough mental and physical team in 2008, then facing a guy like Santana SHOULD NOT affect the Cubs. You have to beat the best, to become the best.

 

I don't agree. Although the playoffs have proven to be a crapshoot, you still have to consider the landscape of the league you are in. Cubs fans won't settle for just a playoff appearance this year (although its not given that we make it), we have to be concerned when an already potent team in our league gets the best pitcher in baseball locked up for 7 years. I don't care how "mental and physical" we are, Santana has the ability to make the best hitters in baseball cry

[UMFan83]

Twins should have went to the Mariners and told them to stop screwing around with the Orioles and get their Bedard package which is loads better than this.

 

My guess is the Mariners couldn't afford to give Santana the extension, so it would have just been a waste of time.

 

True, but how much do you think Bedard will get if he has a great season this year?

[nilodnayr]

Kevin Mulvey = Back of the rotation kind of guy.

Deolis Guerra = good fast/change combo. #3 more than likely, possible #2.

Carlos Gomez = defensive CF with tools but can't hit.

Philip Humber = Plus curve, average other offerings. Back of the rotation guy.

 

Guerra does have the ceiling to be a #1 if he ever got that curveball.

 

I can't believe the Twins didn't get Fernando Martinez out of this trade at least. Awful, it sounded like the Red Sox were offering more a few months ago in those rumored trades.

 

How would Veal, Gallagher, Pie, and Ceda compare to that package?

 

Just for the sake of speculation. I know it wasn't likely the Cubs could afford to pay him, given the situation.

 

The Mets will have to extend Santana at something close to full market value. If you look at all the young talent they traded plus the money involved it amounts to a huge price tag. The Cubs couldn't have afforded it.

 

Frankly, I think a Pie, Marmol, Veal, Marshall deal trumps that one. And although its a ton of our young talent, I'd do it (although I have to say I'm not a fan of Pie and Marshall, iffy on Veal, and Marmol would be trading high/hes a reliever).

 

But yeah, paying him would probably be an issue (but at least we have Sori!!!). Although if you traded Dempster, Marquis, and Lee you could easily cover his salary.

[David]

Damn. Wish the Red Sox (preferably) or Yanks had gotten him.

 

I'm glad neither team got him, or we would be hearing about Johan Santana, as much as we are hearing about Tom Brady.

 

The Mets getting Santana---at a VERY steep, but worth, IMO---doesn't really affect us, so I am not really concerned about it.

 

 

How does it not affect us? Assuming we even got that far, how would you like facing Santana 3 times in a 7 game NLCS?

 

There's a chance the Cubs wouldn't face him in the regular season. And the playoffs? We should cross that bridge when we (or they) get there. Letting a pitcher---even the one of Santana's ability---to affect you mentally, then maybe you should find players who likes the challenge.

 

Again, if the Cubs have a strong enough mental and physical team in 2008, then facing a guy like Santana SHOULD NOT affect the Cubs. You have to beat the best, to become the best.

 

 

I don't even understand your logic. You'd rather strengthen a likely playoff opponent by giving them a pitcher that is often unhittable than hear about Santana on the Red Sox (or Yankees) on ESPN? If we have to face him on one of those teams in the World Series, THEN so be it. We'll cross THAT bridge when we get there.

 

Even if we're lucky enough not to face him in the regular season, it all comes down to what happens in the playoffs. The fact is, this deal makes the Mets a very imposing roadblock if we want to get to the Series.

[Guest]

so much for the Twins wanting major league ready talent in return

 

Gomez and Humber are major league ready, Mulvey probably doesn't need more than half the season.

 

major league ready on a bad team or a good team? there's a reason they weren't playing on the Mets

 

Does major league ready on a bad team mean skipping ahead to the big leagues by a year or so? Gomez had 140 AAA at bats and 125 big league at bats last season. Humber had 139 AAA IP and 7 in the bigs. They probably won't have much success right away but there isn't much more they'd need to do at AAA. If I got what you meant by major league bad team ready, Mulvey is probably ready (152 AA IP last season and his last start was at AAA).

 

I'd leave Deolis Guerra at AA 2008 and AAA the season after. If I were the Mets, I'd never have been so aggressive with him in the first place.