More Murton to SD whispers

[cbbryan]

Note: I'm not saying that I wouldn't give up that much for Greene. I just think it's more then SD would ask for, or receive. Outside of this board is Greene highly sought after by other teams? I haven't heard anything. Is thought of as one of the top SS in the league? I don't normally hear his name outside of this board.

 

 

More realistic to me:

 

Cubs send Murton and Colvin for Greene. If there's another player involved it would be a PTBNL (low minors).

 

And even that could be a great deal for SD.

[BigbadB]

Is thought of as one of the top SS in the league? I don't normally hear his name outside of this board.

 

Defensively, he's considered one of the best. There aren't many SS's in the game today that can get the crowd freaking out over a defensive play. Greene can do that. I see a lot of Padres games, and Greene is an incredible defensive player.

 

Greene is pretty quiet and reserved and avoids the cameras like they are a plague. But, he does let his bat do the talking. Where he lacks in OBP, he makes up in SLG. His one flaw that can hurt a ballclub is his tendency to get injured.

[Mephistopheles]

Note: I'm not saying that I wouldn't give up that much for Greene. I just think it's more then SD would ask for, or receive. Outside of this board is Greene highly sought after by other teams? I haven't heard anything. Is thought of as one of the top SS in the league? I don't normally hear his name outside of this board.

 

 

More realistic to me:

 

Cubs send Murton and Colvin for Greene. If there's another player involved it would be a PTBNL (low minors).

 

And even that could be a great deal for SD.

 

Even if he's not highly regarded by major league teams, he's going to be highly regarded by San Diego. They're not the Pirates. They are contenders and they're not going to give away their starting shortstop unless they get a decent replacement one in return and some other stuff. The Padre depth chart at short is

 

1. Khalil Greene

2. Oscar Robles

3. Luis Rodriguez

 

Last year only two guys played short all season long. Khalil and Geoff Blum. Not only that their best SS prospect pitches (Matt Bush) and their second best SS prospect is an 07 draft pick (Cumberland).

[wrigley23]

he is far down the list of shortstops as he does not hit for average, strikes out a ton & does not get on base. He had one year of above average power & is still fairly young.

[Butterscup1679666578]

he is far down the list of shortstops as he does not hit for average, strikes out a ton & does not get on base. He had one year of above average power & is still fairly young.

 

 

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[Banedon]

Of the bigger deal that's been floated, I would like to try to hold onto Marshall if at all possible.

[third eye]

he is far down the list of shortstops as he does not hit for average, strikes out a ton & does not get on base. He had one year of above average power & is still fairly young.

 

 

Come on, do you seriously never read any of the responses to your posts?? I don't mean to pile on or be disrespectful, but it seems pretty clear at this point that you are just trying to get a rise out of people here. Otherwise what is the point of posting your opinion (and responding to other posts) if you have no interest in reading or acknowledging anyone's response to yours?

[wrigley23]

you are wrong. I just find it strange that the only ones that feel soriano is a good leadoff hitter, the only ones that feel khalil greene is "all that" & that brian roberts would not be a huge upgrade in regards to leading off & moving soriano's bat down in the lineup...are a few posters on this message board.

[Bote McBoteface]

I'm wrigley23. I thought it'd be funny. Sorry guys.

[RammyFanny]

you are wrong. I just find it strange that the only ones that feel soriano is a good leadoff hitter, the only ones that feel khalil greene is "all that" & that brian roberts would not be a huge upgrade in regards to leading off & moving soriano's bat down in the lineup...are a few posters on this message board.

Huh? You never answered his question and replied by saying "there are people on this messageboard that believe Soriano is a good leadoff hitter, Khalil Greene is "all that", etc. It had nothing to do with what he said... :?:

[wrigley23]

so...your question is...do i come on here just to get a rise out of people? No. Do i think others do, especially the ones that say over & over again that OBP is overrated & that striking out isn't a bad thing? yes.

[David]

so...your question is...do i come on here just to get a rise out of people? No. Do i think others do, especially the ones that say over & over again that OBP is overrated & that striking out isn't a bad thing? yes.

 

 

Yea, a lot of people on here say that. :roll:

[David]

You do realize that some of the highest OBP hitters are also among the highest in strikeout totals, right? They're not at all mutually exclusive.

 

As for Greene, his OBP on the road isn't that bad and is mitigated by his SLG ability.

[wrigley23]

i think greene is highly overrated & I hope he doesn't land here. I believe in low strikeout guys & guys w/ high OBP...especially those at the top of the order. Go scan the Red Sox roster & look at their obp stats. They showed the rest how it is done while our lineup full of dave kingman's went down in four straight. It is very evident that the Cub organization is shifting offensive philosophy. fuko is a high obp guy & they covet roberts as a leadoff hitter for the same reason. They want soriano out of the top spot. For the cubs to get back to the playoffs & create any run at all it is a must.

[CUBZ99]

You do realize that some of the highest OBP hitters are also among the highest in strikeout totals, right? They're not at all mutually exclusive.

 

As for Greene, his OBP on the road isn't that bad and is mitigated by his SLG ability.

 

 

Greene's OBP is Neifi-esqe, which is never a good thing. The Cubs have enough power guys in the lineup, it would be nice to compliment them with players that actually get on base.

[nilodnayr]

Maybe I'm misguided, but isn't Greene being a bit overvalued in this thread and Murton undervalued?

 

4 players (including Murton) for Greene seems a bit much.

 

It would be trading from areas of depth to fill a tremendous hole. Murton will be a little used 4th outfielder, Cedeno would no longer be needed with Greene, Patterson is lost on the depth chart with Pie and Colvin, and Marshall would likely be battling Lieber, Gallagher and others for the last rotation spot.

 

Khalil Greene on the road in 2007: .288 .322 .519 .840

Khalil Greene on the road career: .280 .335 .515 .850

 

Remembering that Greene plays most of his games in the toughest hitter's park in baseball and the toughest hitting division in MLB and that the NL Central is arguably the best hitter's division in baseball, the numbers Green could put up playing for the Cubs in a very solid line up all the way through could REALLY pump his numbers up.

 

If you add Greene's bat (ignore the great defense he plays for a moment) to the Cubs line up, the Cubs have Soriano, Lee, Ramirez and Greene with the potential to have .500+ SLG and Fukudome, Pie, DeRosa and Soto all with the potential of mid to high .400 SLG.

 

Soriano, DeRosa, Lee, Ramirez, Fukudome, Greene, Pie, Soto

 

And wow, what a stellar defense the SP's would have behind them.

 

It's a lot to give up for Greene, but none of those guys are someone who turns me off such a deal.

 

 

To add on, Greenes offensive is pull fly balls, he far and away leads SSs and is in the upper echelon of the league in fb%. His offense is supressed by Petco more than a normal players and would be inflated by Wrigley more than a normal players.

[Derwood]

Go scan the Red Sox roster & look at their obp stats. They showed the rest how it is done .

 

Jason Varitek: .367 OBP, 122 K's

Kevin Youkilis: .390 OBP, 105 K's

J.D. Drew: .373 OBP, 100 K's

David Ortiz: .445 OBP, 103 K's

[Schwarber Fan]

OF | Matt Murton | Chicago Cubs | Fantasy

Bruce Miles, of The Arlington Heights Daily Herald, reports the Chicago Cubs have OF Matt Murton on the trade market and general manager Jim Hendry is "actively shopping" him.

 

http://www.kffl.com/article.php/85284/89

[BigbadB]

so...your question is...do i come on here just to get a rise out of people? No. Do i think others do, especially the ones that say over & over again that OBP is overrated & that striking out isn't a bad thing? yes.

 

I'm one of the biggest OBP hounds on this board. I've been screaming for improved OBP throughout the line up for years.

 

Would I like Roberts in the line up? Yes. Very good OBP. Will I like Soriano and Roberts hitting 1/2 in the line up if the Cubs traded for Roberts? Yes. Is there a difference between Roberts/Theriot hitting 1/2 or Soriano/Theriot hitting 1/2? No.

 

OBP is a great offensive metric. But, so is SLG. If a guy has an excellent OBP and an excellent SLG, you're talking about an excellent ballplayer. Where a guy lacks in OBP but makes up for it in SLG, you're talking about a pretty good player. Soriano is a good lead off hitter because where he lacks in OBP he makes up for it in SLG. Look at the stats. There isn't a thing Roberts does that Soriano can't do. And the only really important thing for the lead off hitter in a line up to do is SCORE RUNS. Soriano does that better than Roberts.

 

Soriano>>>>Roberts

Greene>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Theriot

 

Khalil doesn't hit for high average and he strikes out a bit. But he's a shortstop who can kill the ball when he gets ahold of it. 74 XBH's (extra base hits) while playing more than half his games at Petco and Chavez Ravine is pretty awesome for a SS. Theriot had 35 XBH's last year.

 

If you think 35 XBH's and a better OBP and less strike outs is truly better than 74 XBH's and a little worse OBP and more strike outs, you just go right on believing that, but you're island will be quite lonely.

 

If you've never watched a game that is played at Petco, it's actually pretty fascinating how many times a guy crushes a ball and breaks into his home run jog, only to find out his fly ball didn't even make it to the warning track. Greene would likely hit even more home runs playing ANYWHERE else.

[pitchcs]

i think greene is highly overrated & I hope he doesn't land here. I believe in low strikeout guys & guys w/ high OBP...especially those at the top of the order. Go scan the Red Sox roster & look at their obp stats. They showed the rest how it is done while our lineup full of dave kingman's went down in four straight. It is very evident that the Cub organization is shifting offensive philosophy. fuko is a high obp guy & they covet roberts as a leadoff hitter for the same reason. They want soriano out of the top spot. For the cubs to get back to the playoffs & create any run at all it is a must.

 

 

Few points:

 

1) Greene overrated? By who? I don't even see him rated/talked about that much.

 

2) What makes you think he'd hit top of order?

 

3) We went down in 3 straight, not 4.

[Illini Iceman]

i think greene is highly overrated & I hope he doesn't land here. I believe in low strikeout guys & guys w/ high OBP...especially those at the top of the order. Go scan the Red Sox roster & look at their obp stats. They showed the rest how it is done while our lineup full of dave kingman's went down in four straight. It is very evident that the Cub organization is shifting offensive philosophy. fuko is a high obp guy & they covet roberts as a leadoff hitter for the same reason. They want soriano out of the top spot. For the cubs to get back to the playoffs & create any run at all it is a must.

 

 

Few points:

 

1) Greene overrated? By who? I don't even see him rated/talked about that much.

 

2) What makes you think he'd hit top of order?

 

3) We went down in 3 straight, not 4.

 

Yeah, but in all fairness it probably would have been 4 if they had played another game. :P

Edited January 26, 2008 by Illini Iceman

[shnsajax]

i think greene is highly overrated & I hope he doesn't land here. I believe in low strikeout guys & guys w/ high OBP...especially those at the top of the order. Go scan the Red Sox roster & look at their obp stats. They showed the rest how it is done while our lineup full of dave kingman's went down in four straight. It is very evident that the Cub organization is shifting offensive philosophy. fuko is a high obp guy & they covet roberts as a leadoff hitter for the same reason. They want soriano out of the top spot. For the cubs to get back to the playoffs & create any run at all it is a must.

 

 

Few points:

 

1) Greene overrated? By who? I don't even see him rated/talked about that much.

 

2) What makes you think he'd hit top of order?

 

3) We went down in 3 straight, not 4.

 

Yeah Greene would probably hit 7th or 8th for the Cubs depending on if you want him to hit infront or behind Pie. If the Cubs aquired Greene and Pie has a half decent season the depth of the lineup would be unreal.

[inari]

you are wrong. I just find it strange that the only ones that feel soriano is a good leadoff hitter, the only ones that feel khalil greene is "all that" & that brian roberts would not be a huge upgrade in regards to leading off & moving soriano's bat down in the lineup...are a few posters on this message board.

 

I find it strange that you continue posting this over and over and over and over and over and over. Yes, we get what Steve Stone thinks.

[Yanksfan1523]

Only 130 pages (@3250 REPLIES) to go! What do the guys at orioleinsiders think? Edited January 26, 2008 by Yanksfan1523

[Illini Iceman]

you are wrong. I just find it strange that the only ones that feel soriano is a good leadoff hitter, the only ones that feel khalil greene is "all that" & that brian roberts would not be a huge upgrade in regards to leading off & moving soriano's bat down in the lineup...are a few posters on this message board.

 

I find it strange that you continue posting this over and over and over and over and over and over. Yes, we get what Steve Stone thinks.

 

Maybe he is Steve Stone.