Khalil refuses to sign long-term in SD

[rawaction]

Stop piling on Wrigley23. He has an opinion and you disagree with it. No need to be disrespectful about it.

[David]

Stop piling on Wrigley23. He has an opinion and you disagree with it. No need to be disrespectful about it.

 

 

I think that's essentially what I was trying to do. :-s

[KingCubsFan]

If Greene could develop a tad bit of plate discipline, he could be the best offensive SS in baseball(assuming Arod is considered a 3B from here on out).

Hanley Ramirez disagrees

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Stop piling on Wrigley23. He has an opinion and you disagree with it. No need to be disrespectful about it.

An opinion that is flat out wrong.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

If Greene could develop a tad bit of plate discipline, he could be the best offensive SS in baseball(assuming Arod is considered a 3B from here on out).

Hanley Ramirez disagrees

 

I did use the word "if"

[David]

I'd kill to add Hanley Ramirez to this team.

[David]

If Greene could develop a tad bit of plate discipline, he could be the best offensive SS in baseball(assuming Arod is considered a 3B from here on out).

Hanley Ramirez disagrees

 

I did use the word "if"

 

 

Even if he did, Ramirez is still better.

[rawaction]

If Greene could develop a tad bit of plate discipline, he could be the best offensive SS in baseball(assuming Arod is considered a 3B from here on out).

Hanley Ramirez disagrees

 

So does Jimmy Rollins. Edgar Renteria, Derek Jeter, and Troy Tulowitzki tried to disagree, but I put them in their places.

[rawaction]

If Greene could develop a tad bit of plate discipline, he could be the best offensive SS in baseball(assuming Arod is considered a 3B from here on out).

Hanley Ramirez disagrees

 

So does Jimmy Rollins. Edgar Renteria, Derek Jeter, and Troy Tulowitzki tried to disagree, but I put them in their places.

[KingCubsFan]

If Greene could develop a tad bit of plate discipline, he could be the best offensive SS in baseball(assuming Arod is considered a 3B from here on out).

Hanley Ramirez disagrees

 

I did use the word "if"

I know, and I was saying that even if Greene added a little discipline Ramirez would still be better

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Guys have you met my friend hyperbole? He helps me from time to time when I post. :)

[wrigley23]

i could say the same exact thing of you in regards to saying the same thing. Is Greene better than Theriot? Yes. Does this offense need more players that get on base & strikeout less? Yes. I am all for Greene if we don't have to give up much for this .254, low obp, high strikeout player that also doesn't steal bases. An upgrade, but not a major upgrade to Theriot. The guy trying to argue that striking out is better for the offense needs some help as that is possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

[CyHawk_Cub]

i could say the same exact thing of you in regards to saying the same thing. Is Greene better than Theriot? Yes. Does this offense need more players that get on base & strikeout less? Yes. I am all for Greene if we don't have to give up much for this .254, low obp, high strikeout player that also doesn't steal bases. An upgrade, but not a major upgrade to Theriot. The guy trying to argue that striking out is better for the offense needs some help as that is possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

 

Citing Greene's BA, or his lack of SBs, isn't helping your argument....& his OPS has already been addressed multiple times, i.e., home road splits--Petco not so much a hitter's paradise...

[David]

i could say the same exact thing of you in regards to saying the same thing. Is Greene better than Theriot? Yes. Does this offense need more players that get on base & strikeout less? Yes. I am all for Greene if we don't have to give up much for this .254, low obp, high strikeout player that also doesn't steal bases. An upgrade, but not a major upgrade to Theriot. The guy trying to argue that striking out is better for the offense needs some help as that is possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

 

 

In all seriousness, do you really believe this to be true?

 

 

Also, I don't think anyone has ever argued that strikeouts are better for the offense than other outs. You're either misunderstanding someone or just totally mis-characterizing them. They are, however, just about the same as any other out when you factor in the fact that the potential for contact resulting in a sacrifice is counterbalanced by the (flat out rally destroying) potential for a double play.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

stop using batting average. OBP is the only valid con at this point.

[nilodnayr]

If Greene could develop a tad bit of plate discipline, he could be the best offensive SS in baseball(assuming Arod is considered a 3B from here on out).

Hanley Ramirez disagrees

 

I did use the word "if"

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hanley's defense wipe out about 75% of his offensive wins, similar to Braun?

[fromthestretch]

i could say the same exact thing of you in regards to saying the same thing. Is Greene better than Theriot? Yes. Does this offense need more players that get on base & strikeout less? Yes. I am all for Greene if we don't have to give up much for this .254, low obp, high strikeout player that also doesn't steal bases. An upgrade, but not a major upgrade to Theriot. The guy trying to argue that striking out is better for the offense needs some help as that is possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

 

Greene would definitely be a major upgrade to Theriot. I'm not sure why you refuse to acknowledge that Greene's home field has a negative effect on his numbers. Outside of San Diego, he would probably put up an OPS over .800. That's a huge upgrade over Theriot.

 

Regardless of where he plays, he will continue to strikeout. However, what happens when he makes contact is what makes him much more valuable than Theriot. If you look at the big picture, Greene with his strikeouts would be a major improvement over Theriot and his low strikeout rate.

[DenverCubs]

i could say the same exact thing of you in regards to saying the same thing. Is Greene better than Theriot? Yes. Does this offense need more players that get on base & strikeout less? Yes. I am all for Greene if we don't have to give up much for this .254, low obp, high strikeout player that also doesn't steal bases. An upgrade, but not a major upgrade to Theriot. The guy trying to argue that striking out is better for the offense needs some help as that is possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

What guy? Who said that? Everyone knows that an out is an out...except for a large number of baseball "insiders" who think that striking out is the worst thing a human being can do. They'd rather Theriot grounded weakly to the pitcher so he could show how much he can hustle, and still be out by a mile.

[David]

If Greene could develop a tad bit of plate discipline, he could be the best offensive SS in baseball(assuming Arod is considered a 3B from here on out).

Hanley Ramirez disagrees

 

I did use the word "if"

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hanley's defense wipe out about 75% of his offensive wins, similar to Braun?

 

While I don't know that to be true or untrue, they did say "offensive SS," FWIW.

[nilodnayr]

i could say the same exact thing of you in regards to saying the same thing. Is Greene better than Theriot? Yes. Does this offense need more players that get on base & strikeout less? Yes. I am all for Greene if we don't have to give up much for this .254, low obp, high strikeout player that also doesn't steal bases. An upgrade, but not a major upgrade to Theriot. The guy trying to argue that striking out is better for the offense needs some help as that is possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

 

Citing Greene's BA, or his lack of SBs, isn't helping your argument....& his OPS has already been addressed multiple times, i.e., home road splits--Petco not so much a hitter's paradise...

 

Take a look at his http://sandiego.padres.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitting_chart.jsp?playerID=425867&statType=1 Hitting charts in PETCO. Specifically 2005 and 2007 show that he would have had at least 20 homeruns (in home games alone) if his home park was wrigley.

[WilcoFan]

i could say the same exact thing of you in regards to saying the same thing. Is Greene better than Theriot? Yes. Does this offense need more players that get on base & strikeout less? Yes. .

 

The offense needs more players that get on base. How they make outs is irrelevant.

 

 

I am all for Greene if we don't have to give up much for this .254, low obp, high strikeout player that also doesn't steal bases.

 

Of those things, the only thing that really matters is the low OBP.

 

An upgrade, but not a major upgrade to Theriot.

 

Theriot's OPS was in the .600s. Greene's OPS away from Petco is .828. That is a HUUUUUUUUUGE upgrade.

 

 

The guy trying to argue that striking out is better for the offense needs some help as that is possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

 

The only time a strikeout is worse than virtually any other type of out is with a runner on 2nd or 3rd and less than two outs, which doesn't happen nearly as much as people believe it does. Strikeouts are certainly better than DPs.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Greene could develop a tad bit of plate discipline, he could be the best offensive SS in baseball(assuming Arod is considered a 3B from here on out).

Hanley Ramirez disagrees

 

I did use the word "if"

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hanley's defense wipe out about 75% of his offensive wins, similar to Braun?

 

While I don't know that to be true or untrue, they did say "offensive SS," FWIW.

 

Just cause he stands in between 3rd and 2nd base with a glove on his hand, and is penciled in as 6 on the scoresheet, it doesn't make him a shortstop.

[David]

 

Just cause he stands in between 3rd and 2nd base with a glove on his hand, and is penciled in as 6 on the scoresheet, it doesn't make him a shortstop.

 

 

Touche.

[DenverCubs]

If Greene could develop a tad bit of plate discipline, he could be the best offensive SS in baseball(assuming Arod is considered a 3B from here on out).

Hanley Ramirez disagrees

 

I did use the word "if"

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hanley's defense wipe out about 75% of his offensive wins, similar to Braun?

 

While I don't know that to be true or untrue, they did say "offensive SS," FWIW.

 

Just cause he stands in between 3rd and 2nd base with a glove on his hand, and is penciled in as 6 on the scoresheet, it doesn't make him a good defensive shortstop.

There we go.

[Soul]

Please find a reasonable way to get Greene. I might not mind Theriot off the bench.

 

Why do I get the feeling that all these trade rumors are going to blow away and we're ultimately going to be left with the team we've got right now?