Khalil refuses to sign long-term in SD

[third eye]

I don't get Hendry's/Lou's love for Theriot either. But to say he doesnt care about offense at SS is false. Anyone remember that trade for Nomar?

[Soul]

But, ya know what? Hendry won't even be interested in Greene. He's not a top of the order hitter and he isn't a speedy lefty hitter. I'd guess Hendry is more enamored with Theriot than he would be with Greene.

 

I think this is dead-on. He's not a lefty, he's not a top of the order hitter, and he has a low batting average. Hendry won't be interested, even though he should be.

 

Yes but in Hendry's mind shortstops are suppose to be poor to mediocre hitters with "moxy" "spunk" "grit" ect... I dont think we've had a good shortstop since Dunston. We talk every year about the glaring hole at SS when Hendry simple doesnt see it. He's happy with fielding crap at that possition for some reason.

 

It's funny to think that Shawon was an all star for us...twice. I never thought of him as really that good, at least with us. He was always this huge potential guy, but it was never fully realized.

 

I think it's been since Banks that we had a truly great SS.

Fyi, Dunston's all-star seasons

 

1988 .249 .271 .357

1990 .262 .283 .426

 

Ew.

 

I don't even remember. It sounds like he was the obligatory all-star for a horrible team, but I could be wrong and I don't care to look.

[Mark_R]

 

I don't even remember. It sounds like he was the obligatory all-star for a horrible team, but I could be wrong and I don't care to look.

 

The obligatory all star for a team with Ryne Sandberg?

[David]

The obligatory all star role was usually reserved for Mark Grace and later Sammy, anyway (post-first Sandberg retirement).

[mul21]

 

I don't even remember. It sounds like he was the obligatory all-star for a horrible team, but I could be wrong and I don't care to look.

 

The obligatory all star for a team with Ryne Sandberg?

 

There were a few years there when Biggio was good and you had Steve Sax and Tommy Herr displacing Sandberg here and there. Hell, if you listen to Joe Morgan, he may have still been playing in it those years. :lol:

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

I don't even remember. It sounds like he was the obligatory all-star for a horrible team, but I could be wrong and I don't care to look.

 

The obligatory all star for a team with Ryne Sandberg?

 

There were a few years there when Biggio was good and you had Steve Sax and Tommy Herr displacing Sandberg here and there. Hell, if you listen to Joe Morgan, he may have still been playing in it those years. :lol:

Sandberg was there every year from 1984-1993

[BigbadB]

Here is the deal, Towers trades Greene to the Cubs for Eric Patterson, and the Cubs don't file tampering charges regarding Prior. Seems like a fair deal to me.

 

I like the way you think.

[BigbadB]

So Greene was our ballplayer, and Hendry helped in drafting him.....so yet another ballplayer of ours has to go somewhere else to become major-league ready. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the post bolded above to you?

 

This has already been answered, but there are a lot of players that get drafted by other teams and decide to stay in school or move on to college.

 

Slot money is pretty important to these players. I would imagine the team that drafts them probably plays a smaller role, but could factor into the decision as well. Mark Prior was drafted by the Yankees (don't recall whether it was the previous year or fresh out of high school), but Prior elected to stay in school.

 

What's weird about the June Amateur Draft is that anyone can be drafted, they don't necessarily have to declare themselves to be drafted. For an undersclassman to make themselves available in the draft in the NBA and NFL, they have to actually declare they are coming out. Tons of baseball players get drafted every year and refuse to sign a deal with the respective team that drafted them.

 

In Prior's case, it worked out very well for him to stay in school. Not only did he finish up his degree, but he vaulted up to a consensus #1 pick after his final year. I believe Mark Teixiera was the consensus #1 pick that year before the college baseball season got under way. Anyway, Prior got a guaranteed major league contract with the Cubs, which is likely not something he would have gotten had he signed with the Yankees the year they drafted him.

 

Granted, Minnesota elected to go with Joe Mauer with the overall #1 pick in 2001 ahead of Prior, but that had more to do with signability issues rather than who was the top talent in the draft.

 

Bobby Hill was drafted twice by other teams before he was drafted by the Cubs. He was drafted in 1996 in the 5th round by the Anaheim Angels. I'm guessing that was after his senior year in high school. In 1999, he was drafted by the White Sox in the 2nd round. I believe a contract couldn't be worked out between WS and Hill and Hill was a senior in college, so Hill was drafted by the Cubs out of an independent league the following year, once again in the 2nd round.

 

Teams make late round gambles on big names all the time. If you can afford to waste a late round pick, it's not a bad way to waste one. While I can't recite any good examples, depending on the financial situation or social situation of a particular player, there is always the possibility that a late round draft slot could land you a guy you never would expect to sign to a deal if they were drafted in a late round.

 

I want to say Bobbie Brownlie was expected to be a top draft pick the year the Cubs drafted him. And I also want to say that he had Scott Boras as his agent. The Cubs took him with their first pick, but it wasn't a top pick and it was predicted that Brownlie wouldn't sign and if I recall correctly, it came down to the final days before they worked out an agreement that made him a Cub.

 

It was a good call on Brownlie's part, because he was injury riddled, and based on his first minor league season with the Cubs, his stock could have fallen dramatically the next year in the draft, which I believe would have been his senior year in college.

[Soul]

So Greene was our ballplayer, and Hendry helped in drafting him.....so yet another ballplayer of ours has to go somewhere else to become major-league ready. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the post bolded above to you?

 

This has already been answered, but there are a lot of players that get drafted by other teams and decide to stay in school or move on to college.

 

Slot money is pretty important to these players. I would imagine the team that drafts them probably plays a smaller role, but could factor into the decision as well. Mark Prior was drafted by the Yankees (don't recall whether it was the previous year or fresh out of high school), but Prior elected to stay in school.

 

What's weird about the June Amateur Draft is that anyone can be drafted, they don't necessarily have to declare themselves to be drafted. For an undersclassman to make themselves available in the draft in the NBA and NFL, they have to actually declare they are coming out. Tons of baseball players get drafted every year and refuse to sign a deal with the respective team that drafted them.

 

In Prior's case, it worked out very well for him to stay in school. Not only did he finish up his degree, but he vaulted up to a consensus #1 pick after his final year. I believe Mark Teixiera was the consensus #1 pick that year before the college baseball season got under way. Anyway, Prior got a guaranteed major league contract with the Cubs, which is likely not something he would have gotten had he signed with the Yankees the year they drafted him.

 

Granted, Minnesota elected to go with Joe Mauer with the overall #1 pick in 2001 ahead of Prior, but that had more to do with signability issues rather than who was the top talent in the draft.

 

Bobby Hill was drafted twice by other teams before he was drafted by the Cubs. He was drafted in 1996 in the 5th round by the Anaheim Angels. I'm guessing that was after his senior year in high school. In 1999, he was drafted by the White Sox in the 2nd round. I believe a contract couldn't be worked out between WS and Hill and Hill was a senior in college, so Hill was drafted by the Cubs out of an independent league the following year, once again in the 2nd round.

 

Teams make late round gambles on big names all the time. If you can afford to waste a late round pick, it's not a bad way to waste one. While I can't recite any good examples, depending on the financial situation or social situation of a particular player, there is always the possibility that a late round draft slot could land you a guy you never would expect to sign to a deal if they were drafted in a late round.

 

I want to say Bobbie Brownlie was expected to be a top draft pick the year the Cubs drafted him. And I also want to say that he had Scott Boras as his agent. The Cubs took him with their first pick, but it wasn't a top pick and it was predicted that Brownlie wouldn't sign and if I recall correctly, it came down to the final days before they worked out an agreement that made him a Cub.

 

It was a good call on Brownlie's part, because he was injury riddled, and based on his first minor league season with the Cubs, his stock could have fallen dramatically the next year in the draft, which I believe would have been his senior year in college.

 

That is weird, and it's a dynamic that I was not aware of. Thanks for the explanation.

[Soul]

 

I don't even remember. It sounds like he was the obligatory all-star for a horrible team, but I could be wrong and I don't care to look.

 

The obligatory all star for a team with Ryne Sandberg?

 

There were a few years there when Biggio was good and you had Steve Sax and Tommy Herr displacing Sandberg here and there. Hell, if you listen to Joe Morgan, he may have still been playing in it those years. :lol:

Sandberg was there every year from 1984-1993

 

So it definitely wasn't obligatory. I must be a bad Cub fan, I don't even remember Dunston in the AS game.

[nilodnayr]

Not mentioned is that Greene is of the Baha'i faith and Wilmette has the biggest Temple in the U.S. Can't hurt.

[jmajew]

Per Ken Rosenthal

 

The Padres, currently projecting a platoon of Scott Hairston and Chase Headley in left field, are targeting Cubs outfielder Matt Murton, a player in whom they have had longstanding interest.

 

If they are interested in Murton doesn't a deal that nets us Greene make a lot of sense?

[CubinNY]

Per Ken Rosenthal

 

The Padres, currently projecting a platoon of Scott Hairston and Chase Headley in left field, are targeting Cubs outfielder Matt Murton, a player in whom they have had longstanding interest.

 

If they are interested in Murton doesn't a deal that nets us Greene make a lot of sense?

Murton and Cedeno for Green. They can have Eric Patterson too.

[nilodnayr]

Per Ken Rosenthal

 

The Padres, currently projecting a platoon of Scott Hairston and Chase Headley in left field, are targeting Cubs outfielder Matt Murton, a player in whom they have had longstanding interest.

 

If they are interested in Murton doesn't a deal that nets us Greene make a lot of sense?

 

Only if we give up a lot more and they get a SS replacement.

[circlecitycub]

 

I don't even remember. It sounds like he was the obligatory all-star for a horrible team, but I could be wrong and I don't care to look.

 

The obligatory all star for a team with Ryne Sandberg?

 

There were a few years there when Biggio was good and you had Steve Sax and Tommy Herr displacing Sandberg here and there. Hell, if you listen to Joe Morgan, he may have still been playing in it those years. :lol:

Sandberg was there every year from 1984-1993

 

So it definitely wasn't obligatory. I must be a bad Cub fan, I don't even remember Dunston in the AS game.

 

One of his AS seasons was in 1990. AS game was at Wrigley that year.

[Sammy Sofa]

Per Ken Rosenthal

 

The Padres, currently projecting a platoon of Scott Hairston and Chase Headley in left field, are targeting Cubs outfielder Matt Murton, a player in whom they have had longstanding interest.

 

If they are interested in Murton doesn't a deal that nets us Greene make a lot of sense?

 

Oh man, now THIS makes sense. If we're gonna move Murton, do it for someone truly useful like Khalil, not freakin' Byrd.

 

Please make this happen. Toss in Cedeno and another prospect if need be, but get it done.

[Guest]

So Greene was our ballplayer, and Hendry helped in drafting him.....so yet another ballplayer of ours has to go somewhere else to become major-league ready. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the post bolded above to you?

 

This has already been answered, but there are a lot of players that get drafted by other teams and decide to stay in school or move on to college.

 

Slot money is pretty important to these players. I would imagine the team that drafts them probably plays a smaller role, but could factor into the decision as well. Mark Prior was drafted by the Yankees (don't recall whether it was the previous year or fresh out of high school), but Prior elected to stay in school.

 

What's weird about the June Amateur Draft is that anyone can be drafted, they don't necessarily have to declare themselves to be drafted. For an undersclassman to make themselves available in the draft in the NBA and NFL, they have to actually declare they are coming out. Tons of baseball players get drafted every year and refuse to sign a deal with the respective team that drafted them.

 

In Prior's case, it worked out very well for him to stay in school. Not only did he finish up his degree, but he vaulted up to a consensus #1 pick after his final year. I believe Mark Teixiera was the consensus #1 pick that year before the college baseball season got under way. Anyway, Prior got a guaranteed major league contract with the Cubs, which is likely not something he would have gotten had he signed with the Yankees the year they drafted him.

 

Granted, Minnesota elected to go with Joe Mauer with the overall #1 pick in 2001 ahead of Prior, but that had more to do with signability issues rather than who was the top talent in the draft.

 

Bobby Hill was drafted twice by other teams before he was drafted by the Cubs. He was drafted in 1996 in the 5th round by the Anaheim Angels. I'm guessing that was after his senior year in high school. In 1999, he was drafted by the White Sox in the 2nd round. I believe a contract couldn't be worked out between WS and Hill and Hill was a senior in college, so Hill was drafted by the Cubs out of an independent league the following year, once again in the 2nd round.

 

Teams make late round gambles on big names all the time. If you can afford to waste a late round pick, it's not a bad way to waste one. While I can't recite any good examples, depending on the financial situation or social situation of a particular player, there is always the possibility that a late round draft slot could land you a guy you never would expect to sign to a deal if they were drafted in a late round.

 

I want to say Bobbie Brownlie was expected to be a top draft pick the year the Cubs drafted him. And I also want to say that he had Scott Boras as his agent. The Cubs took him with their first pick, but it wasn't a top pick and it was predicted that Brownlie wouldn't sign and if I recall correctly, it came down to the final days before they worked out an agreement that made him a Cub.

 

It was a good call on Brownlie's part, because he was injury riddled, and based on his first minor league season with the Cubs, his stock could have fallen dramatically the next year in the draft, which I believe would have been his senior year in college.

 

That is weird, and it's a dynamic that I was not aware of. Thanks for the explanation.

 

The bolded is actually wrong. To be eligible for the draft, you must be going to school in the U.S., Canada or Puerto Rico and meet one of the following: 1) be a high school senior, 2) be a junior or a senior in a 4-year college, 3) be in your second year at at junior college or 4) be 21 or over (even a college SOPH).

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Also, BBB, Prior was drafted in the first round in 1998 from HS by the Yankees but never signed.

[Rob]

Murton + Theriot or Cedeno + any other spare part = Greene?

[nilodnayr]

Murton + Theriot or Cedeno + any other spare part = Greene?

 

Some hell of spare parts that is.

[RammyFanny]

Murton + Theriot or Cedeno + any other spare part = Greene?

 

Hell, even Gallagher.

 

Soriano

DeRosa

Lee

Ramirez

Fukudome

Greene

Soto

Pie

 

Or use Pie in a trade for a SP, sign Lofton, and use him as your speedy lefty at the top of the order if it's so important.

[Guancous]

Shawon Dunston was my favorite player as a kid, but oy, that sub .300 OBP would fit in on the 2000 squad.

 

No one mentions the severe downgrade for the Padres if they go from Khalil Greene to Ronny Cedeno. I think the Murton idea is much more palatable for San Diego. They would still require an extra piece. I'd feel lucky if we could get Greene for Cedeno, Murton and Marshall. I like Marshall but 500 ABs from a powerful SS are hard to find.

 

Edit: Let alone a shortstop that can play defense.

[sneakypower]

I like Marshall but 500 ABs from a powerful SS are hard to find.

 

Edit: Let alone a shortstop that can play defense.

 

We had that from 2002-2004.

[BigbadB]

The bolded is actually wrong. To be eligible for the draft, you must be going to school in the U.S., Canada or Puerto Rico and meet one of the following: 1) be a high school senior, 2) be a junior or a senior in a 4-year college, 3) be in your second year at at junior college or 4) be 21 or over (even a college SOPH).

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Also, BBB, Prior was drafted in the first round in 1998 from HS by the Yankees but never signed.

 

I was actually going to point out that someone who is more up on things than me could probably clarify anything I might have gotten wrong, but you beat me to it. I knew there were some restrictions, but I wasn't sure what those restrictions were.

[Guest]

Murton + Theriot or Cedeno + any other spare part = Greene?

 

Since the Cubs are apparently not sold at all on him being a reliable starter, might as well send them Sean Marshall.

[Sammy Sofa]

Shawon Dunston was my favorite player as a kid, but oy, that sub .300 OBP would fit in on the 2000 squad.

 

No one mentions the severe downgrade for the Padres if they go from Khalil Greene to Ronny Cedeno. I think the Murton idea is much more palatable for San Diego. They would still require an extra piece. I'd feel lucky if we could get Greene for Cedeno, Murton and Marshall. I like Marshall but 500 ABs from a powerful SS are hard to find.

 

Edit: Let alone a shortstop that can play defense.

 

Who was ever suggesting just Cedeno as the main piece of the trade?