Rosenthal says the Cubs could get Melky Cabrera?

[JeffH]

It bothers me that anytime there is what appears to be a purely speculative rumor, we read a barrage of posts saying that "The Cubs are so stupid" and "Hendry is a moron."

 

We're just trying to get a jump on things.

[Banedon]

The Cubs looking to trade for Melky Cabrera so they can play him instead of Felix Pie?

 

Exhibit 8,182,735,687,262,810,172,302,370 for the case of "Why the Chicago Cubs are MLB's worst franchise".

 

Brutal.

 

Calm down. Rosenthal just said the Cubs might be looking for a center fielder, so he threw their name in.

 

It bothers me that anytime there is what appears to be a purely speculative rumor, we read a barrage of posts saying that "The Cubs are so stupid" and "Hendry is a moron."

 

If overreactions bother you, you may want to reconsider posting on any message board...anywhere. :P

[RynoRules]

The Cubs looking to trade for Melky Cabrera so they can play him instead of Felix Pie?

 

Exhibit 8,182,735,687,262,810,172,302,370 for the case of "Why the Chicago Cubs are MLB's worst franchise".

 

Brutal.

 

Calm down. Rosenthal just said the Cubs might be looking for a center fielder, so he threw their name in.

 

It bothers me that anytime there is what appears to be a purely speculative rumor, we read a barrage of posts saying that "The Cubs are so stupid" and "Hendry is a moron."

 

If overreactions bother you, you may want to reconsider posting on any message board...anywhere. :P

 

QFT.

 

if we were trading Marquis and a prospect for Cabrera and then sending Pie somewhere for a no. 2-type starter, I'd be happy.

[MSG T]

The Cubs looking to trade for Melky Cabrera so they can play him instead of Felix Pie?

 

Exhibit 8,182,735,687,262,810,172,302,370 for the case of "Why the Chicago Cubs are MLB's worst franchise".

 

Brutal.

 

Calm down. Rosenthal just said the Cubs might be looking for a center fielder, so he threw their name in.

 

It bothers me that anytime there is what appears to be a purely speculative rumor, we read a barrage of posts saying that "The Cubs are so stupid" and "Hendry is a moron."

 

The problem is that Hendry has made enough moves in the past that warrant those types of posts. If he had a history of selling high, buying low and making deals that 6 months down the road look great, people would give him the benefit of the doubt and figure he already has something lined up to improve elsewhere( #2 SP, SS etc). Currently, some think he makes moves on the spur of the moment or just to make a move.

 

I just think he's inconsistent is his judgement of what the Cubs really need. Sometimes he fills a need with a great deal, sometimes he fills a need that doesn't exist.

[CubColtPacer]

The Cubs looking to trade for Melky Cabrera so they can play him instead of Felix Pie?

 

Exhibit 8,182,735,687,262,810,172,302,370 for the case of "Why the Chicago Cubs are MLB's worst franchise".

 

Brutal.

 

Calm down. Rosenthal just said the Cubs might be looking for a center fielder, so he threw their name in.

 

It bothers me that anytime there is what appears to be a purely speculative rumor, we read a barrage of posts saying that "The Cubs are so stupid" and "Hendry is a moron."

 

The problem is that Hendry has made enough moves in the past that warrant those types of posts. If he had a history of selling high, buying low and making deals that 6 months down the road look great, people would give him the benefit of the doubt and figure he already has something lined up to improve elsewhere( #2 SP, SS etc). Currently, some think he makes moves on the spur of the moment or just to make a move.

 

I just think he's inconsistent is his judgement of what the Cubs really need. Sometimes he fills a need with a great deal, sometimes he fills a need that doesn't exist.

 

Agreed, but the more people say that the more people remember it wrong that Hendry was actually interested. We had a few people bring up his supposed interest in Steve Finley last offseason as a mark against Hendry, and that couldn't have been further from the truth (that Hendry was at all interested). There have been other times when writers just put the Cubs in a list of speculation like this rumor, and Hendry doesn't do it, but the next time speculation comes up about another player in 6 months at least one or two people will say "remember how Hendry was interested in Melky? he's an idiot".

 

Another example-think of how many people still hold it against Hendry that he didn't trade Prior for Tejada and Bedard? We heard that several times here in the Prior discussions, when in actuality that deal was never even close to being on the table.

Edited January 11, 2008 by CubColtPacer

[Tyrant]

The problem is that Hendry has made enough moves in the past that warrant those types of posts.

 

I know he's made dumb moves, but I still don't know if pre-emptive gnashing of teeth are warranted.

 

If Phil Rogers wrote the following blurb...

 

The Cubs, looking to shore up their middle infield, could consider trading a package of prospects including Felix Pie and Tyler Colvin for Jack Wilson.

 

...at least a few people would freak out and say the Cubs are dumb, despite it being speculation.

 

Anyway. It's just a pet peeve of mine. I'll stop complaining about it.

[BigbadB]

Anyway. It's just a pet peeve of mine. I'll stop complaining about it.

 

Good. Because your last post was an overreaction to people overreacting. :wink:

[Backtobanks]

Hoops, Do you really think Hendry has the motivation to move Pie/Colvin? One is his baby and the other is wilkins. I can't imagine a deal where he would think about including him, this is mainly due to the fact that i don't believe other GM's rate Pie as highly as Hendry does.

 

WiE,

I don't know. On Pie, I suspect Hendry has a public stance ("we're not trading him") and a private stance ("we'll move him in the right deal"). I think there is concern about his hitting.

 

Hoops, we seem to be agreeing on the last few topics. I think Hendry and Lou know that this team is close to being a very good team and picking up a CF and trading Pie to improve the team wouldn't surprise me. For all of the talk about Lou playing youngsters (over Dusty), the bottom line is that very few baseball people don't turn to veterans at crunch time. Look at the 2007 Cubs with players like Kendall, Monroe, etc. over Soto, Murton, etc.

[Derwood]

in two full seasons, Melky has yet to crack the 100 OPS+ mark.

[JeffH]

Speaking of OPS+, is there any site where OPS+ is calculated not relative to the overall league average, but to league average by position?

 

That would seem to be much more meaningful.

[Backtobanks]

Just another example of the East Coast hype on over valueing their prospects. One minute Cabrera is one of the pieces in a trade for Santana and the next minute they're ready to trade him for prospects. Cabrera is a decent player, but by no means a star.

[jersey cubs fan]

No interest in Melky. He's not any good. He's a fat tub who can't really play much center, and won't last long out there.

 

He's also exactly the type of player the Yankees win on trades with. He's overhyped because he's a Yankee. If he came up with the Cubs nobody would have any interest in him.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The Cubs looking to trade for Melky Cabrera so they can play him instead of Felix Pie?

 

Exhibit 8,182,735,687,262,810,172,302,370 for the case of "Why the Chicago Cubs are MLB's worst franchise".

 

Brutal.

 

Calm down. Rosenthal just said the Cubs might be looking for a center fielder, so he threw their name in.

 

It bothers me that anytime there is what appears to be a purely speculative rumor, we read a barrage of posts saying that "The Cubs are so stupid" and "Hendry is a moron."

Hendry is a moran. Big difference.

[Danny82]

The Cubs looking to trade for Melky Cabrera so they can play him instead of Felix Pie?

 

Exhibit 8,182,735,687,262,810,172,302,370 for the case of "Why the Chicago Cubs are MLB's worst franchise".

 

Brutal.

 

Geez, relax.

 

Are you really that comfortable making huge assumptions in coming to your conclusions?

[Wheelimus]

Plus Hendry may not even be thinking of getting Cabrera as a sure thing starter. It could just be as our 4th outfielder subbing in all 3 positions, especially if Murton were to go back to the Yankees in a multiple player deal that didn't include Pie. Would give us insurance in case Pie proves not to be MLB ready.

[jersey cubs fan]

Are you really that comfortable making huge assumptions in coming to your conclusions?

 

No assumptions necessary when determing the Cubs are a horribly run franchise.

[Danny82]

Yeeeeah, OK.

 

I think using some unsupported, hypothetical situation as evidence that the Cubs are a horribly run franchise involves the use of quite porous reasoning.

[UK1679666180]

Yeeeeah, OK.

 

I think using some unsupported, hypothetical situation as evidence that the Cubs are a horribly run franchise involves the use of quite porous reasoning.

 

Agreed, but 100 years without a WS as well as 5 post-season appear. since '45 doesn't envoke a model of success.

[David]

5 post-season appearances since 1984 probably isn't terrible, though....

 

That said, it should be a lot better given the size of the market and the payroll the last few years.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeeeeah, OK.

 

I think using some unsupported, hypothetical situation as evidence that the Cubs are a horribly run franchise involves the use of quite porous reasoning.

 

The point is, we already know they are a horribly run franchise.

[CUBZ99]

Yeeeeah, OK.

 

I think using some unsupported, hypothetical situation as evidence that the Cubs are a horribly run franchise involves the use of quite porous reasoning.

 

Agreed, but 100 years without a WS as well as 5 post-season appear. since '45 doesn't envoke a model of success.

 

No, but Hendry has been the GM of a team that has made it to the post season twice in the past 5 years. Not to mention that even if he didn't make another move this offseason, the Cubs would be favorites to return to the post season again in '08.

 

I'm actually encouraged by the moves he has made this offseason.

[badger1679666666]

The Cubs looking to trade for Melky Cabrera so they can play him instead of Felix Pie?

 

Exhibit 8,182,735,687,262,810,172,302,370 for the case of "Why the Chicago Cubs are MLB's worst franchise".

 

Brutal.

 

 

I'm taking it JeffH stands for JeffHyperbole?

 

Christ they haven't done anything, or indicated anything. This is case # 324098230482308 of why Cubs fans need prosac and tons of anti-anxiety medication.

 

Ken Rosenthal lazily threw this out.

[jersey cubs fan]

5 post-season appearances since 1984 probably isn't terrible, though....

 

 

It's not impressive to me. In only 2 of them, did they win 90 or more of their first 162 games, and both of them were pre-1990.

[UK1679666180]

5 post-season appearances since 1984 probably isn't terrible, though....

 

That said, it should be a lot better given the size of the market and the payroll the last few years.

 

One every 4 to 5 years is pretty bad, only a handful teams (mostly expansion have had less success over that time).

 

AZ-more successful

ATL-obvious

Balt-worse

Bost-obvious

White Sox-more successful

Reds-more successful

Indians-more successful

Rockies-expansion but have advanced to the WS (2 PS appear)

Detroit-one WS appearence, one div title.

Houston-better

Marlins-better

KC-worse

Angels-better

Dodgers-better

Brewers-worse

Twins-better

Yankees-no comment

Mets-better

Oakland-better

Phillies-better

Pirates-worse (despite the early 90s)

Padres-better

Giants-better

Mariners-better

Cardinals-better

Rays-worse

Rangers-better despite one less playoff appear.

Toronto-better

Wash/Montreal-worse

 

By my figures, only 6 of the 29 teams have been worse than the Cubs before factoring expansion and market size.

 

not pretty.

[cheapseats]

He's a fat tub who can't really play much center, and won't last long out there.

 

According to Dewan's Fielding Bible, he was the second-worst defensive CF in baseball last year, so he probably shouldn't have lasted this long out there.