Tejada Traded to Astros

[CuseCubFan69]

So is this a bad trade for the Astros because Tejada isn't that big of an upgrade over Everette but he is a big enough upgrade over Theriot if the Cubs acquired him?

[erik316wttn]

This is a great trade...for us.

 

Tejada is terrible defensively and is about to fall off of a cliff offensively.

 

Even if he was at 2005/2006 levels, he's not enough to turn them into contenders.

 

Problem is he's going to one of the most hitter-friendly ballparks in the league.

 

It's still a bad deal for the Astros because the guy appears to be older than he really is. They gave up a ton for a guy that's not getting any younger.

 

True, but has anyone, ever, at any point in recorded human history "gotten any younger?"

[CubColtPacer]

So is this a bad trade for the Astros because Tejada isn't that big of an upgrade over Everette but he is a big enough upgrade over Theriot if the Cubs acquired him?

 

It's more of that the Cubs could afford to overpay for Tejada because a SS might be the missing piece to a long playoff run. The Astros aren't going anywhere with Tejada, and so they basically traded away a few possible promising prospects for a couple of mediocre seasons and maybe 1 lucky playoff berth.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So, with this trade the Astros line-up is

 

Matsui 2b

Bourn CF

Berkman 1b

Lee LF

Tejada SS

Pence RF

Wiggington 3b

Ausmus C

 

That's a nice 3-6, but the rest is bad.

 

And that's all with a rotation of

Oswalt, W. Williams, W. Rodriguez, Backe, and ????

 

The Astros needed to trade for pitching not another SS.

[JeffH]

So, with this trade the Astros line-up is

 

Matsui 2b

Bourn CF

Berkman 1b

Lee LF

Tejada SS

Pence RF

Wiggington 3b

Ausmus C

 

That's a nice 3-6, but the rest is bad.

 

And that's all with a rotation of

Oswalt, W. Williams, W. Rodriguez, Backe, and ????

 

The Astros needed to trade for pitching not another SS.

 

Bourn and Matsui will flip spots.

 

Wigginton is a pretty good #7 hitter, but a poor 3B defender.

 

Towles will get a lot of time behind the plate (most of it if Cooper is smart).

[CuseCubFan69]

So is this a bad trade for the Astros because Tejada isn't that big of an upgrade over Everette but he is a big enough upgrade over Theriot if the Cubs acquired him?

 

It's more of that the Cubs could afford to overpay for Tejada because a SS might be the missing piece to a long playoff run. The Astros aren't going anywhere with Tejada, and so they basically traded away a few possible promising prospects for a couple of mediocre seasons and maybe 1 lucky playoff berth.

 

Who's to say they are done dealing? Maybe the since the Cubs have stepped it up they might too.

[cheapseats]

So, with this trade the Astros line-up is

 

Matsui 2b

Bourn CF

Berkman 1b

Lee LF

Tejada SS

Pence RF

Wiggington 3b

Ausmus C

 

That's a nice 3-6, but the rest is bad.

 

And that's all with a rotation of

Oswalt, W. Williams, W. Rodriguez, Backe, and ????

 

The Astros needed to trade for pitching not another SS.

 

I really think Tejada is being moved to 3B.

[CubColtPacer]

So is this a bad trade for the Astros because Tejada isn't that big of an upgrade over Everette but he is a big enough upgrade over Theriot if the Cubs acquired him?

 

It's more of that the Cubs could afford to overpay for Tejada because a SS might be the missing piece to a long playoff run. The Astros aren't going anywhere with Tejada, and so they basically traded away a few possible promising prospects for a couple of mediocre seasons and maybe 1 lucky playoff berth.

 

Who's to say they are done dealing? Maybe the since the Cubs have stepped it up they might too.

 

The Astros have used up many of their pieces just in this deal however. They probably don't have enough left to make any more than 1 major trade without tapping into their current major league roster (which of course would be counterproductive to being better next year). Their farm system was terrible to begin with, and they just gave up a few of the more attractive pieces of it.

[CuseCubFan69]

So is this a bad trade for the Astros because Tejada isn't that big of an upgrade over Everette but he is a big enough upgrade over Theriot if the Cubs acquired him?

 

It's more of that the Cubs could afford to overpay for Tejada because a SS might be the missing piece to a long playoff run. The Astros aren't going anywhere with Tejada, and so they basically traded away a few possible promising prospects for a couple of mediocre seasons and maybe 1 lucky playoff berth.

 

Who's to say they are done dealing? Maybe the since the Cubs have stepped it up they might too.

 

The Astros have used up many of their pieces just in this deal however. They probably don't have enough left to make any more than 1 major trade without tapping into their current major league roster (which of course would be counterproductive to being better next year). Their farm system was terrible to begin with, and they just gave up a few of the more attractive pieces of it.

 

I see. They could always ride the rocket for 30 million for a months work.

[Northsider]

Just thinking out loud, but it looks to me like this deal was an attempt by the Astros to

respond to the Cubs signing Fukudome, and that's why they overpayed so much for Miggy.

 

The other thought I had - doesn't this kick off the Orioles firesale that promises Roberts to

the Cubs?

[nilodnayr]

This is a great trade...for us.

 

Tejada is terrible defensively and is about to fall off of a cliff offensively.

 

Even if he was at 2005/2006 levels, he's not enough to turn them into contenders.

 

Hard to disagree. He is also coming off a broken wrist, no?

 

He was much better after the broken wrist than before. Post broken wrist he was hitting near peak levels. 8 homers in August IIRC.

[javy knows my name]

go read my comments in other threads. i am not about to explain it for the the 10th time.

 

If you don't want to explain it again. Don't mention Roberts name in a thread about Tejada.

Snap!

[HoopsCubs]

As a player, who has been traded in the middle of a multi-year contract, I believe Tejada can demand a trade after the 2008 season, and if he's not accomodated he can become a free agent.

 

So, 2 questions come to mind:

 

(1) If he's serious about playing for a winner, what is the probability that Tejada would request a trade after 2008?

(2) Did Ed Wade really get him just so that he can flip him to one of the LA teams to get better prospects that the ones he gave to Baltimore?

 

 

Hoops

 

p.s. - I said in an earlier page that I think this was a good deal for the O's. I would underscore that point if Tejada only ends up playing 1 season in Houston.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

Man, I guess I'm the only person that's disappointed that it wasn't the Cubs who obtained Tejada and not the Lastros. Luke Scott is the only decent player in that package of players that was sent to Baltimore. Apparently Hendry wasn't interested. Cedeno alone has more value than Scott. We would have had one hell of an offense with Tejada. Poor Tejada is going to waist away in Houston.

[brinoch]

This is a great trade...for us.

 

Tejada is terrible defensively and is about to fall off of a cliff offensively.

 

Even if he was at 2005/2006 levels, he's not enough to turn them into contenders.

 

Hard to disagree. He is also coming off a broken wrist, no?

 

He was much better after the broken wrist than before. Post broken wrist he was hitting near peak levels. 8 homers in August IIRC.

 

He was on the calcium.

[mdwilla]

If Hendry would was thinking big Miggy would be joining Roberts in our infield not rotting away in Houston.

[WolvCub 17]

Wow, MacPhail got five young players from the Astros and got the Astros to pick up the remaining 26 million on Tejada's contract...why didn't he ever pull off a trade like this when he ran the Cubs?

[TruffleShuffle]

Wow, MacPhail got five young players from the Astros and got the Astros to pick up the remaining 26 million on Tejada's contract...why didn't he ever pull off a trade like this when he ran the Cubs?

 

i was going to say "because he didn't have that moron ed wade to deal with," but ed wade was with the phillies.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Rosenthal's take on the deal...

 

Link.

 

I think this about sums things up...

 

But the question remains: Who is going to pitch?

 

[BigbadB]

He's extremely popular.

 

Welcome to the forum! :D

 

lawl... thanks!

 

 

ahaha!! no more davern/davharm mixups? aaaa...

 

Wrong. Now I can't remember which one of them changed their name. Therefore, they must both change their name. :wink:

[nilodnayr]

Rosenthal's take on the deal...

 

Link.

 

I think this about sums things up...

 

But the question remains: Who is going to pitch?

 

 

meh, i think this sums it up

Albers and Patton, while ranked 2 and 3 in the Astros minor league organization are absolutely garbage that no one would give up anything of value for because even if you assembled the best of the best from the Astros minor league teams, you would have a team that would lose to Korea in the little league world series by slaughter rule. Albers and Patton project to have ceilings of middle of the rotation starters in such places as Ed Wade's dreams and the Indy league.

 

I'm paraphrasing, of course.

[BigbadB]

Rosenthal's take on the deal...

 

Link.

 

I think this about sums things up...

 

But the question remains: Who is going to pitch?

 

 

meh, i think this sums it up

Albers and Patton, while ranked 2 and 3 in the Astros minor league organization are absolutely garbage that no one would give up anything of value for because even if you assembled the best of the best from the Astros minor league teams, you would have a team that would lose to Korea in the little league world series by slaughter rule. Albers and Patton project to have ceilings of middle of the rotation starters in such places as Ed Wade's dreams and the Indy league.

 

I'm paraphrasing, of course.

 

Well, at least he was nice about it. :P

[NCCubFan]

This is a great trade...for us.

 

Tejada is terrible defensively and is about to fall off of a cliff offensively.

 

Even if he was at 2005/2006 levels, he's not enough to turn them into contenders.

 

Problem is he's going to one of the most hitter-friendly ballparks in the league.

 

It's still a bad deal for the Astros because the guy appears to be older than he really is. They gave up a ton for a guy that's not getting any younger.

 

True, but has anyone, ever, at any point in recorded human history "gotten any younger?"

Soriano. :D

[Guest]

Not that familiar with the Astros farm system, but from what I gather this is like us giving up Marshall, Gallagher, Murton, and Patterson for Tejada? If so, Houston got hosed.

 

No way it's equivalent, Houston gave up less talent.

[frostwyrm]

As I said in the Fukudome thread, I would have preferred to shift Soriano to RF and give LF to Murton, then spend Fuku's money on a SS upgrade. The comparison is Soriano/Murton/Tejada vs. Soriano/Fuku/Theriot. I think we're better with Soriano/Murton/Tejada. Obviously the big roadblock was Lou Piniella's absolute refusal to see Murton as more than a bench player.