Alex Rios for Lincecum or Cain?

[Schwarber Fan]

Rosenthal:

 

NASHVILLE - The proposed trade of outfielder Alex Rios for either San Francisco's Matt Cain or Tim Lincecum rests with the Giants' decision-makers, according to major-league sources.

[E.J.]

I have to say, I'm loving this year's winter meetings. Tons of things going on. Just wish the Cubs would get in on the action.

[CuseCubFan69]

I have to say, I'm loving this year's winter meetings. Tons of things going on. Just wish the Cubs would get in on the action.

 

Hendry's waiting for Michigan to pick a coach first, then he'll make a move!

[BigbadB]

Wow. Another organization that would be better off firing their GM.

[E.J.]

I have to say, I'm loving this year's winter meetings. Tons of things going on. Just wish the Cubs would get in on the action.

 

Hendry's waiting for Michigan to pick a coach first, then he'll make a move!

 

Guess we're not making any moves this offseason then.

[UMFan83]

Trading Tim Lincecum for so little would be so wrong. Can't we just offer them Pie and Marshall and take him.

 

Zambrano

Lincecum

Lilly

Hill

Marquis/Gallagher/Prior

[anabiono]

if they could get away with cain for rios...i would do that...

 

lincecum commands way more though

[RammyFanny]

The seismic trade proposal of right-hander Tim Lincecum for Toronto Blue Jays outfielder Alex Rios remains on the table for Sabean, who told KNBR radio that he wants to make a decision within two or three days.

 

"By the end of the weekend, maybe the first of the week, we're going to have to flesh this out one way or the other," Sabean told the station. "We are juggling some other things and we want to get on to other business if we're going to pass on this."

 

Sabean hinted that he was trying to finagle another pitcher to "lessen the pain" of losing Lincecum. While it's rumored that Detroit is looking to deal newly acquired left-hander Dontrelle Willis, the Giants probably don't have the chips to get the Oakland native.

http://www.mercurynews.com/giantsheadlines/ci_7669450?nclick_check&nclick_check=1

 

A little surprised SF is really considering this. I mean they obviously need hitting, but I still wouldn't trade a potential ace who's worst case scenario is an above average number 2.

[Outshined_One]

They need offense in a bad way, but they have to get it either through upping their payroll and smartly acquiring free agents or through rebuilding from within. Considering their history of developing position players is just as illustrious as the Cubs, that seems problematic.

 

Rios is a nice OF and everything, but he's nowhere near the level that would allow the Giants to offset any loss in production caused by trading one of Cain or Lincecum away. He would not make the Giants' offense much better, if at all better, than it was last season; especially considering Bonds won't be back. He'd be under their control for three years and would start to get expensive in a hurry thanks to arbitration. Moreover, the Giants would have Cain and Lincecum under control for a longer period of time.

 

I could understand trading one of those two guys away for a good package of players with Rios at the center. But...straight up for Rios? That'd be lunacy.

[chopsx9]

The Jays are desperate for offense I am not sure why they would do this. They have some options on the mound, but struggled at the plate last year. I am not sure Rios is getting enough credit here. I think he will continue to get better and better. There isn't much he can't do. He's got a gun for arm as well and can play centre.

[badnews]

Considering their history of developing position players is just as illustrious as the Cubs, that seems problematic.

 

I would take Bill Mueller and Rich Aurilia over ..............?

 

I actually like Cain better than Lincecum but I'm not married to that position.

[XZero771679666304]

The seismic trade proposal of right-hander Tim Lincecum for Toronto Blue Jays outfielder Alex Rios remains on the table for Sabean, who told KNBR radio that he wants to make a decision within two or three days.

 

"By the end of the weekend, maybe the first of the week, we're going to have to flesh this out one way or the other," Sabean told the station. "We are juggling some other things and we want to get on to other business if we're going to pass on this."

 

Sabean hinted that he was trying to finagle another pitcher to "lessen the pain" of losing Lincecum. While it's rumored that Detroit is looking to deal newly acquired left-hander Dontrelle Willis, the Giants probably don't have the chips to get the Oakland native.

http://www.mercurynews.com/giantsheadlines/ci_7669450?nclick_check&nclick_check=1

 

A little surprised SF is really considering this. I mean they obviously need hitting, but I still wouldn't trade a potential ace who's worst case scenario is an above average number 2.

 

 

Lincecum's worst case scenario is career ending injury, and it's not that far fetched.

[RammyFanny]

The seismic trade proposal of right-hander Tim Lincecum for Toronto Blue Jays outfielder Alex Rios remains on the table for Sabean, who told KNBR radio that he wants to make a decision within two or three days.

 

"By the end of the weekend, maybe the first of the week, we're going to have to flesh this out one way or the other," Sabean told the station. "We are juggling some other things and we want to get on to other business if we're going to pass on this."

 

Sabean hinted that he was trying to finagle another pitcher to "lessen the pain" of losing Lincecum. While it's rumored that Detroit is looking to deal newly acquired left-hander Dontrelle Willis, the Giants probably don't have the chips to get the Oakland native.

http://www.mercurynews.com/giantsheadlines/ci_7669450?nclick_check&nclick_check=1

 

A little surprised SF is really considering this. I mean they obviously need hitting, but I still wouldn't trade a potential ace who's worst case scenario is an above average number 2.

 

 

Lincecum's worst case scenario is career ending injury, and it's not that far fetched.

So is every other ace pitchers, but you generally don't think it's going to happen to a guy who has no injury history whatsoever. Just because he throws a little wierd doesn't mean he's magically going to be hurt.

[XZero771679666304]

The seismic trade proposal of right-hander Tim Lincecum for Toronto Blue Jays outfielder Alex Rios remains on the table for Sabean, who told KNBR radio that he wants to make a decision within two or three days.

 

"By the end of the weekend, maybe the first of the week, we're going to have to flesh this out one way or the other," Sabean told the station. "We are juggling some other things and we want to get on to other business if we're going to pass on this."

 

Sabean hinted that he was trying to finagle another pitcher to "lessen the pain" of losing Lincecum. While it's rumored that Detroit is looking to deal newly acquired left-hander Dontrelle Willis, the Giants probably don't have the chips to get the Oakland native.

http://www.mercurynews.com/giantsheadlines/ci_7669450?nclick_check&nclick_check=1

 

A little surprised SF is really considering this. I mean they obviously need hitting, but I still wouldn't trade a potential ace who's worst case scenario is an above average number 2.

 

 

Lincecum's worst case scenario is career ending injury, and it's not that far fetched.

So is every other ace pitchers, but you generally don't think it's going to happen to a guy who has no injury history whatsoever. Just because he throws a little wierd doesn't mean he's magically going to be hurt.

 

 

The guy pitches like a jackknife. He has a maximum effort delivery. He is an injury risk.

 

And the fact that he has never been injured means next to nothing, as Mark Prior (who we were told was the closest thing to invincible due to his flawless mechanics) can attest.

 

I'm not saying Lincecum will get hurt, just that I'm not so sure Alex Rios isn't a safer bet for long-term production.

[RammyFanny]

The seismic trade proposal of right-hander Tim Lincecum for Toronto Blue Jays outfielder Alex Rios remains on the table for Sabean, who told KNBR radio that he wants to make a decision within two or three days.

 

"By the end of the weekend, maybe the first of the week, we're going to have to flesh this out one way or the other," Sabean told the station. "We are juggling some other things and we want to get on to other business if we're going to pass on this."

 

Sabean hinted that he was trying to finagle another pitcher to "lessen the pain" of losing Lincecum. While it's rumored that Detroit is looking to deal newly acquired left-hander Dontrelle Willis, the Giants probably don't have the chips to get the Oakland native.

http://www.mercurynews.com/giantsheadlines/ci_7669450?nclick_check&nclick_check=1

 

A little surprised SF is really considering this. I mean they obviously need hitting, but I still wouldn't trade a potential ace who's worst case scenario is an above average number 2.

 

 

Lincecum's worst case scenario is career ending injury, and it's not that far fetched.

So is every other ace pitchers, but you generally don't think it's going to happen to a guy who has no injury history whatsoever. Just because he throws a little wierd doesn't mean he's magically going to be hurt.

 

 

The guy pitches like a jackknife. He has a maximum effort delivery. He is an injury risk.

 

And the fact that he has never been injured means next to nothing, as Mark Prior (who we were told was the closest thing to invincible due to his flawless mechanics) can attest.

 

I'm not saying Lincecum will get hurt, just that I'm not so sure Alex Rios isn't a safer bet for long-term production.

You can bring up Pior, I can bring up Oswalt :wink: . Both generally defied the odds for what kind of career was predicted for them injury wise.

 

I don't think it's that bad. Maybe this is flawed thinking, but if he were 6'3 that would look alot more normal IMO.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Trading Tim Lincecum for so little would be so wrong. Can't we just offer them Pie and Marshall and take him.

 

Zambrano

Lincecum

Lilly

Hill

Marquis/Gallagher/Prior

 

We dont have a prospect close to Cain or Lincom. Most teams would never consider trading either of these guys, but when your looking at the possibility of Ray Durham, Randy Winn, and Rich Aurilia as your 3-4-5, desperate times call for desperate measures.

[BigbadB]

Trading Tim Lincecum for so little would be so wrong. Can't we just offer them Pie and Marshall and take him.

 

Zambrano

Lincecum

Lilly

Hill

Marquis/Gallagher/Prior

 

We dont have a prospect close to Cain or Lincom. Most teams would never consider trading either of these guys, but when your looking at the possibility of Ray Durham, Randy Winn, and Rich Aurilia as your 3-4-5, desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

But what would be the point? Rios is not going to make them any better than they are now. That team is a mess.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Trading Tim Lincecum for so little would be so wrong. Can't we just offer them Pie and Marshall and take him.

 

Zambrano

Lincecum

Lilly

Hill

Marquis/Gallagher/Prior

 

We dont have a prospect close to Cain or Lincom. Most teams would never consider trading either of these guys, but when your looking at the possibility of Ray Durham, Randy Winn, and Rich Aurilia as your 3-4-5, desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

But what would be the point? Rios is not going to make them any better than they are now. That team is a mess.

 

Anythings an upgrade over what they have now. a bunch of 30 somethings who would be number 6 or 7 batters on most teams. Rios is at least young enough that he could be the first piece in a building process in a division in which no one team is in a position to dominate indefinitely.

[BigbadB]

A dominant pitching staff would be better than 1 decent offensive player out of 8.

[Little Slide Rooter]

A dominant pitching staff would be better than 1 decent offensive player out of 8.

 

A dominating pitching staff is key, but as the Padres proved last year, you still need some help from your offense.

[BigbadB]

A dominant pitching staff would be better than 1 decent offensive player out of 8.

 

A dominating pitching staff is key, but as the Padres proved last year, you still need some help from your offense.

 

Take one of those two arms out of their rotation, and they aren't dominant anymore. Offense is easier to acquire than pitching. If they were really going to trade pitching for offense, at least get some guys who aren't already getting expensive. I don't know what Rios' contract looks like, but if it isn't a long term deal, he'll be long gone before the Giants improve the rest of their roster to the point they could actually be competitive in that division.

[Outshined_One]

A dominant pitching staff would be better than 1 decent offensive player out of 8.

 

A dominating pitching staff is key, but as the Padres proved last year, you still need some help from your offense.

 

Proved how? The Rockies needed a 163rd game to beat them and get into the playoffs.

[badnews]

Position players seemingly get hurt less than pitchers though. I'm not sure why the point about the Padres is invalidated by the 163rd game. I don't think it's crazy to be concerned about the long term health of a starting pitcher under 6 feet tall, because no matter what his ESPN page says, come on, he's like 5-10. Yeah, that's no reason to give a guy away. If the Giants are serious they should be trying for guys like Markakis or Hermida or such.

[CuseCubFan69]

A dominant pitching staff would be better than 1 decent offensive player out of 8.

 

A dominating pitching staff is key, but as the Padres proved last year, you still need some help from your offense.

 

Proved how? The Rockies needed a 163rd game to beat them and get into the playoffs.

 

Yeah I think the Cubs would have a very good team if they had a stud 1-5 staff even with the offensive team they have now.

[badnews]

The Cubs had a better starting pitcher ERA than the Giants, despite playing in a much more hitter friendly park. I'm also wondering where the rest of this stud 1-5 staff came from. Noah Lowry - looks like he's on his way to becoming Kirk Reuter. Barry Zito - not a stud. There's Cain and Lincecum... who else? Two studs out of five.