MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[don_kessinger_was_good]

This had better drive down the price of Roberts, else I'm not interested in him. Murton and Marshall, no higher. MAYBE Cedeno as well, if the Cubs get a meaningful minor leaguer back in exchange.

[StMarksCubs]

From the report:

 

Brian Roberts

Brian Roberts is an infielder who has played for the Baltimore Orioles since 2001.

He has been selected to two All-Star teams.

Roberts and Larry Bigbie were both rookies in 2001. According to Bigbie, both

he and Roberts lived in Segui’s house in the Baltimore area during the latter part of that season.

When Bigbie and Segui used steroids in the house, Roberts did not participate.

According to Bigbie, however, in 2004 Roberts admitted to him that he had

injected himself once or twice with steroids in 2003. Until this admission, Bigbie had never

suspected Roberts of using steroids.

In order to provide Roberts with information about these allegations and to give

him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.

[StMarksCubs]

For anyone interested in reading the thing:

 

http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

 

The players don't start getting named til around page 200, and you can go from there.

 

FWIW, no mention of Mark Prior or Kerry Wood..

[Handlebar McSkullet]

p.158 of the report

 

Brian Roberts

Brian Roberts is an infielder who has played for the Baltimore Orioles since 2001.

He has been selected to two All-Star teams.

Roberts and Larry Bigbie were both rookies in 2001. According to Bigbie, both

he and Roberts lived in Segui’s house in the Baltimore area during the latter part of that season.

When Bigbie and Segui used steroids in the house, Roberts did not participate.

According to Bigbie, however, in 2004 Roberts admitted to him that he had

injected himself once or twice with steroids in 2003. Until this admission, Bigbie had never

suspected Roberts of using steroids.

In order to provide Roberts with information about these allegations and to give

him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.

[ThePenguin11]

There is no way of knowing that anybody in MLB is truly clean until MLB mans up and begins HGH testing.

 

And does the penguin have this magic test that's going to be able to tell if everyone is truly clean and not taking HGH? :-k

 

If so, :-$ go to your nearest patent attorney before talking to anyone in baseball.

 

If baseball had the balls to blood test its players this would not be a problem. There is a magic blood test.

[RonCey]

Out of everyone named in the report, only Roberts' use is based on total hearsay.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Out of everyone named in the report, only Roberts' use is based on total hearsay.

 

most of it is hearsay

[BigbadB]

This had better drive down the price of Roberts, else I'm not interested in him. Murton and Marshall, no higher. MAYBE Cedeno as well, if the Cubs get a meaningful minor leaguer back in exchange.

 

You call Murton, Marshall and Cedeno a driven down price to get Roberts? :shock:

[don_kessinger_was_good]

This had better drive down the price of Roberts, else I'm not interested in him. Murton and Marshall, no higher. MAYBE Cedeno as well, if the Cubs get a meaningful minor leaguer back in exchange.

 

You call Murton, Marshall and Cedeno a driven down price to get Roberts? :shock:

 

Roberts AND a decent mid-minors prospect. Or kill the prospect and kill including Cedeno, I don't care, I was just including someone we won't use but that Baltimore likely could use with Tejada now gone.

 

Yes, I think Murton (a part-time OF that can't play defense) and Marshall (a #5 starter) is a driven-down price for an All-Star quality 2B.

[sweetpeteman]

Out of everyone named in the report, only Roberts' use is based on total hearsay.

 

most of it is hearsay

 

 

Yeah, but Robert's is hilarious b.s.

 

Brian Roberts

Brian Roberts is an infielder who has played for the Baltimore Orioles since 2001.

He has been selected to two All-Star teams.

Roberts and Larry Bigbie were both rookies in 2001. According to Bigbie, both

he and Roberts lived in Segui’s house in the Baltimore area during the latter part of that season.

When Bigbie and Segui used steroids in the house, Roberts did not participate.

According to Bigbie, however, in 2004 Roberts admitted to him that he had

injected himself once or twice with steroids in 2003. Until this admission, Bigbie had never

suspected Roberts of using steroids.

In order to provide Roberts with information about these allegations and to give

him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.

 

@#$@ ^ the heck?

[OleMissCub]

Out of everyone named in the report, only Roberts' use is based on total hearsay.

 

most of it is hearsay

 

 

Yeah, but Robert's is hilarious b.s.

 

Brian Roberts

Brian Roberts is an infielder who has played for the Baltimore Orioles since 2001.

He has been selected to two All-Star teams.

Roberts and Larry Bigbie were both rookies in 2001. According to Bigbie, both

he and Roberts lived in Segui’s house in the Baltimore area during the latter part of that season.

When Bigbie and Segui used steroids in the house, Roberts did not participate.

According to Bigbie, however, in 2004 Roberts admitted to him that he had

injected himself once or twice with steroids in 2003. Until this admission, Bigbie had never

suspected Roberts of using steroids.

In order to provide Roberts with information about these allegations and to give

him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.

 

@#$@ ^ the heck?

 

That's incredibly flimsy. They'll be lucky if Roberts doesn't file a charge of defamation against them for that.

[Clem Fandango]

Second hand testimony about something Roberts admitted about using twice in 2003 shouldn't drive his price down, sadly. All it proves is that Roberts got good when he didn't do roids. He sucked in 2003, got good in 2005, as he was beginning to enter his prime.

 

The fact that he is simply on the list will probably cause people to give less in trade offers for him, but in all honesty his situation is a load of crap. It's "he said, he said" crap, and the admittance wasn't even that significant

[98navigator]

I wouldn't trade for Roberts anymore.

 

You had to figure that Roberts' name would be on the list. IIRC, he was caught up in Grimsley's mess. This isn't a surprise.

[RynoRules]

Out of everyone named in the report, only Roberts' use is based on total hearsay.

 

most of it is hearsay

 

 

Yeah, but Robert's is hilarious b.s.

 

Brian Roberts

Brian Roberts is an infielder who has played for the Baltimore Orioles since 2001.

He has been selected to two All-Star teams.

Roberts and Larry Bigbie were both rookies in 2001. According to Bigbie, both

he and Roberts lived in Segui’s house in the Baltimore area during the latter part of that season.

When Bigbie and Segui used steroids in the house, Roberts did not participate.

According to Bigbie, however, in 2004 Roberts admitted to him that he had

injected himself once or twice with steroids in 2003. Until this admission, Bigbie had never

suspected Roberts of using steroids.

In order to provide Roberts with information about these allegations and to give

him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.

 

@#$@ ^ the heck?

 

That's incredibly flimsy. They'll be lucky if Roberts doesn't file a charge of defamation against them for that.

 

He's a public figure, so that case would go nowhere. All the same, if I were him I'd do it just to try and clear and my name.

[Backtobanks]

Personally, I think the whole Mitchell report is a lot of talk about nothing. Are there any names (having serious evidence) on the list a surprise? NO! Everyone will kick this around for a few days, but to most fans, the result will be the same as expressed here on NSBB.......basically, I hope it drives the price down on Roberts and I loved watching Glenallen Hill hit long home runs. Let's get on with the Hot Stove League, spring training, and the march to the World Series.

[AlwaysaCub]

Personally, I think the whole Mitchell report is a lot of talk about nothing. Are there any names (having serious evidence) on the list a surprise? NO! Everyone will kick this around for a few days, but to most fans, the result will be the same as expressed here on NSBB.......basically, I hope it drives the price down on Roberts and I loved watching Glenallen Hill hit long home runs. Let's get on with the Hot Stove League, spring training, and the march to the World Series.

 

Some of it is nothing...but having someone testify that he himself injected roger clemens is something

[Backtobanks]

Personally, I think the whole Mitchell report is a lot of talk about nothing. Are there any names (having serious evidence) on the list a surprise? NO! Everyone will kick this around for a few days, but to most fans, the result will be the same as expressed here on NSBB.......basically, I hope it drives the price down on Roberts and I loved watching Glenallen Hill hit long home runs. Let's get on with the Hot Stove League, spring training, and the march to the World Series.

 

Some of it is nothing...but having someone testify that he himself injected roger clemens is something

 

It's certainly not a surprise that Clemens took steroids and whether he injected himself or someone else did doesn't really interest me. As some sportscasters pointed out, basically they named the Balco group (West Coast) and the NY group (East Coast), which means there are a lot of players that weren't named from Chicago, St. Louis, Philadelphia, Kansas City, etc.

[Guest]

Personally, I think the whole Mitchell report is a lot of talk about nothing. Are there any names (having serious evidence) on the list a surprise? NO! Everyone will kick this around for a few days, but to most fans, the result will be the same as expressed here on NSBB.......basically, I hope it drives the price down on Roberts and I loved watching Glenallen Hill hit long home runs. Let's get on with the Hot Stove League, spring training, and the march to the World Series.

 

Some of it is nothing...but having someone testify that he himself injected roger clemens is something

 

It's certainly not a surprise that Clemens took steroids and whether he injected himself or someone else did doesn't really interest me. As some sportscasters pointed out, basically they named the Balco group (West Coast) and the NY group (East Coast), which means there are a lot of players that weren't named from Chicago, St. Louis, Philadelphia, Kansas City, etc.

They play sports in between coasts?

[jyoung55]

There is no way of knowing that anybody in MLB is truly clean until MLB mans up and begins HGH testing.

 

And does the penguin have this magic test that's going to be able to tell if everyone is truly clean and not taking HGH? :-k

 

If so, :-$ go to your nearest patent attorney before talking to anyone in baseball.

 

If baseball had the balls to blood test its players this would not be a problem. There is a magic blood test.

 

Testing is always behind catching those taking the next best thing that avoids the current tests available at a given time.

[Post Count Padder]

So what happens with this trade now?

[BCVM22]

So what happens with this trade now?

 

It ends up dead in the water, I hope.

[RyneSandberg]

I don't think this thing is dead. Hendry seemed pretty set on acquiring Roberts for some reason. If not Roberts though, maybe Figgins? His name wasn't on the list.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I don't think this thing is dead. Hendry seemed pretty set on acquiring Roberts for some reason. If not Roberts though, maybe Figgins? His name wasn't on the list.

 

yea. and considering how flimsy the "proof" is, it shouldn't slow Hendry down. what should is the idea he has ENOUGH 2nd basemen.

[Mephistopheles]

Second hand testimony about something Roberts admitted about using twice in 2003 shouldn't drive his price down, sadly. All it proves is that Roberts got good when he didn't do roids. He sucked in 2003, got good in 2005, as he was beginning to enter his prime.

 

no, it proves he started doing them in 2003. when he stopped is unknown.

[RyneSandberg]

Second hand testimony about something Roberts admitted about using twice in 2003 shouldn't drive his price down, sadly. All it proves is that Roberts got good when he didn't do roids. He sucked in 2003, got good in 2005, as he was beginning to enter his prime.

 

no, it proves he started doing them in 2003. when he stopped is unknown.

I highly doubt he is still using HGH.