Moreno on Mitchell Report: "There's going to be names"

[wade]

I read an article a long time ago and wish I could find it now where a team physician supposedly told his players and coaching staff that he could prescribe them moderate doses of steroids that they could take under his supervision and put on 20 pounds of muscle without even doing anything else different than their normal weight training.

 

This was back in the '80s.

[TruffleShuffle]

here's the list of the players who used steroids:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/searchPlayerSearchServlet?conference=ML&action=searchbyposition&position=

[Chocolate Milk]

here's the list of the players who used steroids:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/searchPlayerSearchServlet?conference=ML&action=searchbyposition&position=

Very clever.

[TruffleShuffle]

here's the list of the players who used steroids:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/searchPlayerSearchServlet?conference=ML&action=searchbyposition&position=

Very clever.

 

i guess my point is that we might get a report with a few names on it, but i'm assuming that the vast, vast majority of steroid users will never be outed

[Derwood]

i'm curious....is there language in player contracts that specifically disallow PED's, and if so, could these players have their contracts voided by their teams if named in the report?

[OleMissCub]

i'm curious....is there language in player contracts that specifically disallow PED's, and if so, could these players have their contracts voided by their teams if named in the report?

 

More than likely not...however, if an owner really wanted to do that they could probably void the contract via the "good citizenship" clause that is standard in most MLB contracts. There is also a clause in most professional sports contracts which say that you will keep in good physical condition...so maybe abusing "drugs" would fall into that category.

[Outshined_One]

i'm curious....is there language in player contracts that specifically disallow PED's, and if so, could these players have their contracts voided by their teams if named in the report?

 

More than likely not...however, if an owner really wanted to do that they could probably void the contract via the "good citizenship" clause that is standard in most MLB contracts. There is also a clause in most professional sports contracts which say that you will keep in good physical condition...so maybe abusing "drugs" would fall into that category.

 

The lowlife attorney switch just flipped in my head! Two counters to that:

 

1) Is the good citizenship clause something that asks for the player to be selfless, asks for the player to contribute to the community or charities, or some sort of bare minimum "for the love of God don't break the law in any horrifying way" clause? If using PEDs was not banned by baseball at the time and the PEDs were legally acquired (be it over the counter or by prescription), then I'd say that the player would be following the terms of the contract if either of the latter two standards were applied.

 

2) PEDs not only keep you in good physical condition, but they enhance your physical condition. They aid in muscle recovery time, muscle growth, weight loss, anxiety problems, and so on. I'd argue that use of PEDs does not cause someone's physical condition to significantly deteriorate in the same way that, say, abusing alcohol, overeating, or abusing street drugs would.

 

Perhaps some owners might try to void certain contracts...but I can't see it succeeding.

[OleMissCub]

Perhaps some owners might try to void certain contracts...but I can't see it succeeding.

 

Me neither.

 

Oddly enough, I should be studying Employer-Employee Relations right now....

[snoodmonger]

troy glaus was linked to receiving steroid shipments, and now 3 months later after that fact is revealed, no one seems to really care. the media doesn't constantly harass GMJ even though his name was dropped. ivan rodriguez was named in jose canseco's book which was probably more accurate than people first realized, and what do people talk about when talking about pudge? they mention how he's one of the top catchers of all time and ignore that he probably used steroids. likewise with gary sheffield.

 

once the intial shock of the names revealed wears off, i think a lot of you will be surprised at how little effect it has on baseball, and how a few months later, how little the fans really care. it will all blow over, and the game will be fine, probably a lot sooner than you think.

 

 

Yet watch the media pile on if the report names one of those people by whom the media feels wronged. (Sosa and Bonds are prime examples.) They'll never let it die, no matter how little the fans care, because there's nothing more vindictive than a slighted reporter. If Sosa's name comes up, you'll be able to see Phil Rogers' boner from outer Mongolia.

 

Put me in the camp of people who don't care much either way.

 

And count me as another person tired of the Bob Costas/Billy Crystal vision of baseball. Baseball is more than just those flickering black and white highlight reels that get them all hard. The fact that so many dusty-ass media farts still present it that way--as some treasured, pristine homage to the days of yore--is why many in the younger generation see it as the dull sport their grandpas used to love.

[CUBZ99]

troy glaus was linked to receiving steroid shipments, and now 3 months later after that fact is revealed, no one seems to really care. the media doesn't constantly harass GMJ even though his name was dropped. ivan rodriguez was named in jose canseco's book which was probably more accurate than people first realized, and what do people talk about when talking about pudge? they mention how he's one of the top catchers of all time and ignore that he probably used steroids. likewise with gary sheffield.

 

once the intial shock of the names revealed wears off, i think a lot of you will be surprised at how little effect it has on baseball, and how a few months later, how little the fans really care. it will all blow over, and the game will be fine, probably a lot sooner than you think.

 

 

Yet watch the media pile on if the report names one of those people by whom the media feels wronged. (Sosa and Bonds are prime examples.) They'll never let it die, no matter how little the fans care, because there's nothing more vindictive than a slighted reporter. If Sosa's name comes up, you'll be able to see Phil Rogers' boner from outer Mongolia.

 

Put me in the camp of people who don't care much either way.

 

And count me as another person tired of the Bob Costas/Billy Crystal vision of baseball. Baseball is more than just those flickering black and white highlight reels that get them all hard. The fact that so many dusty-ass media farts still present it that way--as some treasured, pristine homage to the days of yore--is why many in the younger generation see it as the dull sport their grandpas used to love.

 

I think the average fan actually does care and that the players listed on the report will take a huge PR hit (assuming they were any good to begin with). Look at the grief that Bonds takes in every stadium that he plays in.

 

And its funny to see people attack the media to discredit them before the names have even been released. The problem isn't that the media is making baseball seem like a "treasured" sport. The problem is that baseball let themselves get strong armed by the players union, and then acted ignorant about it.

 

Once again, had baseball had some guts and stood up to the player's association earlier, this whole story wouldn't be that big of a deal. In a few years, after testing has been going on, this story will die down and when someone is caught, it won't be such a spectacle. But right now its such a big deal because, MLB's and the player unions actions.

[CubinNY]

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And its funny to see people attack the media to discredit them before the names have even been released. The problem isn't that the media is making baseball seem like a "treasured" sport. The problem is that baseball let themselves get strong armed by the players union, and then acted ignorant about it.

Strong armed? Seriously? It's like Abu Grabe, "hey man, we didn't know what was going on in the locker room/hey man, we didn't know what was going on during the night shift". They are complicit from the Commissioner's office on down. They are accomplices in this mess and bear as much responsibility as the players. That's why no names should be released and they should bring the standards up to Olympic (if they are not there already) and have harsh penalties, like a one year ban for the first offense, and move on.

[OleMissCub]

Strong armed? Seriously? It's like Abu Grabe, "hey man, we didn't know what was going on in the locker room/hey man, we didn't know what was going on during the night shift". They are complicit from the Commissioner's office on down.

 

Abu Ghraib

[Jon]

Not much:

 

AP[/url]"]NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Kansas City's Jose Guillen and Baltimore's Jay Gibbons were suspended for the first 15 days of next season by Major League Baseball on Thursday for violating the sport's drug program.

 

The pair were linked in media reports to the purchase of human growth hormone. So were Gary Matthews Jr., Rick Ankiel, Troy Glaus and Scott Schoeneweis, but baseball decided there was "insufficient evidence" to determine they committed a doping violation.

[Clem Fandango]

How is it that some players who violate the drug policy for steroids or performance enhancers get 50 game suspensions, but these guys get 15 days for HGH?

[Drew Doughty]

How is it that some players who violate the drug policy for steroids or performance enhancers get 50 game suspensions, but these guys get 15 days for HGH?

 

because they didn't test positive for steroids/peds.

[Clem Fandango]

Soooo... players get a 15-day suspension for admitting to the use of HGH or being proven to purchase and use it, despite there being no way of testing for it, yet you can get suspended 50 games for using steroids which they test for on a fairly normal basis.

 

That needs to be more strict. That's like "Here's a little slap on the wrist if you use this stuff we can't catch you using that could potentially help your career". What's to stop players from using HGH besides public humility?

 

At least that's how I see it

[CuseCubFan69]

Jeepers...I was expecting some big name producers and directors to be on the list.

[Post Count Padder]

If anyone currently cares:

 

MLB received it's copy of the Mitchell Report on Tuesday, roughly 48 hours before it's due to be published.

 

The report is believed to name 60-80 current and former players. A substantial percentage figure to be New York Mets, as it was their former clubhouse attendant, Kirk Radomski, that provided George Mitchell's committee with much of its information.

[cheapseats]

Soooo... players get a 15-day suspension for admitting to the use of HGH or being proven to purchase and use it, despite there being no way of testing for it, yet you can get suspended 50 games for using steroids which they test for on a fairly normal basis.

 

That needs to be more strict. That's like "Here's a little slap on the wrist if you use this stuff we can't catch you using that could potentially help your career". What's to stop players from using HGH besides public humility?

 

At least that's how I see it

 

It hasn't even been proven that HGH has any helpful effect for a baseball player. Players who use it intend to cheat, but it's about as helpful as pine tar on a bat.

 

Conventional wisdom says that everyone is on HGH now because there’s no test to detect it, but what they don’t realize is that there’s a night and day difference between HGH and anabolic-androgenic steroids. Studies have shown that HGH supplementation will increase muscle mass; but there is little, if any, evidence of strength gains in these studies. In other words, when HGH supplementation has been studied in normal males, there are reports of small gains in muscle mass, but there seems to be no evidence from a randomized, double-blind study that you gain strength from HGH alone. If there is any effect of HGH, it is likely to be a small effect, especially compared to how anabolic steroids improve strength and baseball performance.

[seanimal]

I take an HGH for breakfast everyday. I don't see what the big deal is, besides these guns.

[Mugged By Fluffy]

If anyone currently cares:

 

MLB received it's copy of the Mitchell Report on Tuesday, roughly 48 hours before it's due to be published.

 

The report is believed to name 60-80 current and former players. A substantial percentage figure to be New York Mets, as it was their former clubhouse attendant, Kirk Radomski, that provided George Mitchell's committee with much of its information.

 

 

Hmz......So what's the betting line on whether or not Brett Boone is going to be on that list? :lol: :lol:

[CuseCubFan69]

If anyone currently cares:

 

MLB received it's copy of the Mitchell Report on Tuesday, roughly 48 hours before it's due to be published.

 

The report is believed to name 60-80 current and former players. A substantial percentage figure to be New York Mets, as it was their former clubhouse attendant, Kirk Radomski, that provided George Mitchell's committee with much of its information.

 

 

Look out Keith Hernandez! No play for Mr. Gray!

[Post Count Padder]

More fun:

 

George Mitchell's report on drugs in baseball will finger MVPs and All-Stars, The Associated Press learned Wednesday.

 

It'd be interesting to see Miguel Tejada named just one day after being traded, as it could be taken as a sign the Orioles knew it was coming. The report, set to be released at 2 p.m. EST on Thursday, will not address amphetamines. It will call for a beefed-up testing program conducted by an outside agency.

Source: The Associated Press

[Derwood]

won't cover amphetamines? lame. Dan Bernstein used to tell stories about covering hockey or minor league ball or something and seeing bowls of pills in the locker rooms

[wekse]

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