Mets trade Mota to MIL for Estrada

[jersey cubs fan]

On espnnews.

[hankp101]

Jason Kendall, your table is ready

[CubColtPacer]

This is awesome news. It opens up the door for the Brewers to sign Kendall to be their starting catcher while at the same time adding a horrible reliever to their bullpen for Yost to bring out at every key situation. This is a win-win for the Cubs IMO.

[Guest]

Jason Kendall, your table is ready

 

Before Dec. 1, plz.

[RynoRules]

WTF? They already have LoDuca, no? Or is he a FA?

[CubColtPacer]

WTF? They already have LoDuca, no? Or is he a FA?

 

LoDuca is a free agent, and the Mets have been trying everything they can to not sign him.

[Post Count Padder]

WTF? They already have LoDuca, no? Or is he a FA?

FA, and they show so little interest in retaining him that they were prepared to give Torrealba and his horrid home/away splits a three year contract.

[Drew Doughty]

WTF? They already have LoDuca, no? Or is he a FA?

 

LoDuca is a free agent, and the Mets have been trying everything they can to not sign him.

 

he's too white.

[E.J.]

Looks like the Mets might just non-tender Estrada. Rotoworld:

 

Johnny Estrada-C-Mets Nov. 21 - 9:59 am et

 

Rather than take him to arbitration, the New York Daily News suggests that the Mets could non-tender Johnny Estrada next month if they're able to acquire another catcher before then.

Similar to the what the Twins did in dealing for Craig Monroe earlier this month, the move for Estrada simply gives the Mets the option of keeping him or letting him go at no monetary cost. The added bonus is that they clear Guillermo Mota's $3.2 million salary off the books in the trade.

Source: New York Daily News

[JeffH]

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2007/11/21/brewers-have-a-deal-with-kendall.aspx

[jersey cubs fan]

Agreeing to a deal and signing one are two different things. No need to rush that physical until after the arbitration deadline.

[JeffH]

Agreeing to a deal and signing one are two different things. No need to rush that physical until after the arbitration deadline.

 

Possible, but not likely. There's no incentive for them to wait. It's not their draft pick we'd be getting.

[jersey cubs fan]

Agreeing to a deal and signing one are two different things. No need to rush that physical until after the arbitration deadline.

 

Possible, but not likely. There's no incentive for them to wait. It's not their draft pick we'd be getting.

 

But it is their biggest rival getting an extra one.

[JeffH]

Agreeing to a deal and signing one are two different things. No need to rush that physical until after the arbitration deadline.

 

Possible, but not likely. There's no incentive for them to wait. It's not their draft pick we'd be getting.

 

But it is their biggest rival getting an extra one.

 

The likelihood of Doug Melvin both being that smart and giving a damn is very small.

[CubColtPacer]

Agreeing to a deal and signing one are two different things. No need to rush that physical until after the arbitration deadline.

 

The Brewers would be then running the risk that the Cubs would offer arbitration and Kendall would accept. Considering that they just traded their starting catcher and that whole process could take weeks (where most of the other catchers on the market are getting picked up by other teams) it's too risky for the Brewers to do that.

 

Besides, even if for the extra money I doubt Kendall would come back to a team that didn't want him in any form when he has a starting job lined up somewhere else, so he'd probably sign with the Brewers even if the Cubs did offer him arbitration at this point.

[jersey cubs fan]

Agreeing to a deal and signing one are two different things. No need to rush that physical until after the arbitration deadline.

 

The Brewers would be then running the risk that the Cubs would offer arbitration and Kendall would accept. Considering that they just traded their starting catcher and that whole process could take weeks (where most of the other catchers on the market are getting picked up by other teams) it's too risky for the Brewers to do that.

 

Besides, even if for the extra money I doubt Kendall would come back to a team that didn't want him in any form when he has a starting job lined up somewhere else, so he'd probably sign with the Brewers even if the Cubs did offer him arbitration at this point.

 

It's not just extra money, it's most likely a tremendous amount of extra money.

 

I know it's unlikely, but it's what the Yankees would do if it involved the Red Sox.

[CubColtPacer]

Agreeing to a deal and signing one are two different things. No need to rush that physical until after the arbitration deadline.

 

The Brewers would be then running the risk that the Cubs would offer arbitration and Kendall would accept. Considering that they just traded their starting catcher and that whole process could take weeks (where most of the other catchers on the market are getting picked up by other teams) it's too risky for the Brewers to do that.

 

Besides, even if for the extra money I doubt Kendall would come back to a team that didn't want him in any form when he has a starting job lined up somewhere else, so he'd probably sign with the Brewers even if the Cubs did offer him arbitration at this point.

 

It's not just extra money, it's most likely a tremendous amount of extra money.

 

I know it's unlikely, but it's what the Yankees would do if it involved the Red Sox.

 

Yes, it is a tremendous amount of money, but remember 2 things. Kendall seems to be the type who would rather be paid 4 million to play than 10 million to go home and sit on the couch. Also, what was reported earlier about a now max 40 percent decline in arbitration means that the club would only have to offer him 7.8 million instead of 10.4 like the 20 percent decline would have been. Still a lot more than Milwaukee probably gave him, but probably not enough to make Kendall go back on his word to the Brewers and come to the Cubs and at best sit on the bench.

 

I'm not sure it would be what the Yankees would do. I think the Yankees would sign him now because they wouldn't want to lose their starting catcher back to the Red Sox when the Yankees wouldn't really have any great options otherwise.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yes, it is a tremendous amount of money, but remember 2 things. Kendall seems to be the type who would rather be paid 4 million to play than 10 million to go home and sit on the couch. Also, what was reported earlier about a now max 40 percent decline in arbitration means that the club would only have to offer him 7.8 million instead of 10.4 like the 20 percent decline would have been. Still a lot more than Milwaukee probably gave him, but probably not enough to make Kendall go back on his word to the Brewers and come to the Cubs and at best sit on the bench.

 

I'm not sure it would be what the Yankees would do. I think the Yankees would sign him now because they wouldn't want to lose their starting catcher back to the Red Sox when the Yankees wouldn't really have any great options otherwise.

 

Maybe he "seems" like that kind of player to you, but virtually no player willfully takes a 50% paycut (assuming that's the difference). Kendall loved everything about the Cubs. I'm sure he'd view playing here as a satisfactory fallback.

 

The Yankees have done this before, so have other teams, coming to an agreement but not signing. Plus, we're talking Jason Kendall, a worthless piece of crap of a ballplayer. Milwaukee could fine somebody just like him in a heartbeat.

[CubColtPacer]

Yes, it is a tremendous amount of money, but remember 2 things. Kendall seems to be the type who would rather be paid 4 million to play than 10 million to go home and sit on the couch. Also, what was reported earlier about a now max 40 percent decline in arbitration means that the club would only have to offer him 7.8 million instead of 10.4 like the 20 percent decline would have been. Still a lot more than Milwaukee probably gave him, but probably not enough to make Kendall go back on his word to the Brewers and come to the Cubs and at best sit on the bench.

 

I'm not sure it would be what the Yankees would do. I think the Yankees would sign him now because they wouldn't want to lose their starting catcher back to the Red Sox when the Yankees wouldn't really have any great options otherwise.

 

Maybe he "seems" like that kind of player to you, but virtually no player willfully takes a 50% paycut (assuming that's the difference). Kendall loved everything about the Cubs. I'm sure he'd view playing here as a satisfactory fallback.

 

The Yankees have done this before, so have other teams, coming to an agreement but not signing. Plus, we're talking Jason Kendall, a worthless piece of crap of a ballplayer. Milwaukee could fine somebody just like him in a heartbeat.

 

Kendall was none too happy about being benched in the playoffs. If the Cubs told Kendall that if he accepted arbitration the Cubs weren't going to let him be anything more than a backup who got very little time I doubt Kendall would accept that arbitration. There have been plenty of players who have cared more about playing time than salary especially near the end of their careers, and many players in all sports who have demanded trades and sometimes were even willing to re-negotiate lower salaries (in situations where the union allows them to) in order to increase their playing time.

 

The Yankees and other teams have done it when it actually caused them to lose a draft pick. That's a big difference in risk/reward. Plus, most people may have that opinion of Kendall as a ballplayer, but the Cubs didn't and Milwaukee apparently doesn't either to give him the starting job this early in the offseason.

[jersey cubs fan]

willing to re-negotiate lower salaries (in situations where the union allows them to) in order to increase their playing time.

 

name one

[CubColtPacer]

willing to re-negotiate lower salaries (in situations where the union allows them to) in order to increase their playing time.

 

name one

 

Randy Moss

 

There have been plenty of others who were willing to take lower salaries even after trades in order to get into better situations for them (including A-Rod willing to give up 30 million in Boston), and even more than that who were willing to do it in free agency (Randy Wolf is a great example of that). I don't think we're going to agree if Kendall is one of those players or not. I believe starting in Milwaukee is a much better situation than riding the bench in Chicago. You think he'll take the money wherever it is.