Rollins gets NL MVP

[UMFan83]

1998 - Sammy Sosa

That one was bad, but it wasn't monumentally bad. Not nearly as ridiculous as Rollins winning it this year, IMO.

 

Sosa was 7th in VORP that year and a whopping 36 runs worse than McGwire.

 

Cubs made the playoffs, Cardinals didnt? Just trying to look at it how the voters did. Obviously statistically his OBP, SLG, VORP, OPS+ were worse than Big Macs.

[OleMissCub]

Who the HELL voted Mickey Morandini for MVP that year??

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1998.shtml#NLmvp

Edited November 21, 2007 by NCCubFan
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[rocket]

even in his down year pujols should have gotten a lot more mvp consideration. his 12.7 warp3 is better than everyone mentioned except for david wright, who equals pujols's 12.7 warp3.

[sonofsamiam]

Not that I'm saying Rollins deserves it, but 28 Win Shares (with the leader at 34) and a 11.5 WARP3 (higher than H. Ramirez) are pretty darn strong.

 

David Wright probably deserved it, but had no realistic shot after the Mets collapse. It's not fair, but it'll always be that way.

[Soul]

1998 - Sammy Sosa

That one was bad, but it wasn't monumentally bad. Not nearly as ridiculous as Rollins winning it this year, IMO.

 

Sosa was 7th in VORP that year and a whopping 36 runs worse than McGwire.

 

Cubs made the playoffs, Cardinals didnt? Just trying to look at it how the voters did. Obviously statistically his OBP, SLG, VORP, OPS+ were worse than Big Macs.

 

IIRC, that was the prevailing "wisdom." Sammy had "carried" the Cubs to the playoffs and Big Mac didn't make it.

 

Honestly, we can quote great stats all day long but I'm pretty sure very, very few of the voters look at anything beyond the basics.

[Geech]

Honestly, we can quote great stats all day long but I'm pretty sure very, very few of the voters look at anything beyond the basics.

 

Divining what the voters looked at wasn't the point of posting the stats. If I wanted to understand the voters' thought processes, I could try reading tea leaves or casting bones.

[Backtobanks]

This discussion goes back to a point I've been trying to make for years. Since some writers go by the definition of MVP meaning most valuable to the team, while others go by the definition of best player in the league, there ought to be two seperate awards. MVP would be the player most valuable to their team picked from players on teams finishing 1st or 2nd in their division. Player of the Year would be the best player picked from any team. As you can see by my screen name, I was a big fan of Ernie Banks who was MVP in 1958 and 1959 for last place teams. How valuable could he have been since the team finished last? He should have been named Player of the Year.

[rocket]

why should a player be punished because his teammates suck?

 

the mvp is a useless award if there's a separate "player of the year" award.

[Mephistopheles]

even in his down year pujols should have gotten a lot more mvp consideration. his 12.7 warp3 is better than everyone mentioned except for david wright, who equals pujols's 12.7 warp3.

 

dont worry i had number two.

[OleMissCub]

Ouch, in 1989, Dawson had a 4.6 WARP...the WARP of the other vote getters:

 

Raines: 9.7

Gwynn: 11.4

Eric Davis: 11.4

Schmidt: 10.3

Ozzie Smith: 10.3

Jack Clark: 7.4

Will Clark: 7.5

Murphy: 11.1

Strawberry: 8.9

[cheapseats]

10th place finish for hanley ramirez, and no votes above 5th place.... booooooooooo

 

To be fair, according to the Fielding Bible, Hanley was the second-worst defensive infielder in MLB last year, behind only the historically bad Ryan Braun. Hanley was worse than Derek Jeter.

 

Rollins was probably worth slightly more than Hanley because he was an above-average defensive shortstop and Hanley was a wretched one. According to BP's stats, for example, Rollins was probably worth half a win more.

 

But he was still not a good choice.

[Mephistopheles]

Marty Marion had a .251 EqA one season and won the MVP

[TruffleShuffle]

Marty Marion had a .251 EqA one season and won the MVP

 

and yet ted williams didn't win it in a year he hit .406, won the triple crown, and had a .413 EqA :roll:

[cheapseats]

Bill Plaschke and Jay Mariotti are members of the BBWAA.

 

Just sayin.

[Outshined_One]

Bill Plaschke and Jay Mariotti are members of the BBWAA.

 

Just sayin.

 

Bill Plaschke pretty much invented the love letter to crappy baseball players. That's all I need to know.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Carlos Marmol may have only gotten one vote, but thats one more vote than Will Ohman will ever get.

[rocket]

Carlos Marmol may have only gotten one vote, but thats one more vote than Will Ohman will ever get.

 

ok

[Post Count Padder]

Bill Plaschke and Jay Mariotti are members of the BBWAA.

 

Just sayin.

Credibilty down the drain.

[Mephistopheles]

1998 - Sammy Sosa

That one was bad, but it wasn't monumentally bad. Not nearly as ridiculous as Rollins winning it this year, IMO.

 

Sosa was 7th in VORP that year and a whopping 36 runs worse than McGwire.

 

Cubs made the playoffs, Cardinals didnt? Just trying to look at it how the voters did. Obviously statistically his OBP, SLG, VORP, OPS+ were worse than Big Macs.

 

Is that any different than Rollins winning it over Cabrera, Ramirez and Wright?

[Andy]

Curtis Granderson does everything (except play SS) better than Jimmy Rollins, and I didn't hear anyone jonesing for him in the AL.

 

Higher AVG, higher OBP, higher SLG, more walks (despite over 100 fewer PA's), just as many doubles, more triples, 17 fewer runs (again, over 100 fewer PA's), etc. etc.

[haltz]

Curtis Granderson does everything (except play SS) better than Jimmy Rollins, and I didn't hear anyone jonesing for him in the AL.

The NL didn't have as clear a winner as the AL.

Edited November 21, 2007 by haltz

[Andy]

The NL didn't have as clear a winner as the AL.

I know, but Matt Holliday should've been clear enough.

[haltz]

It's not clear to me that he was better than at least three other players.

[rocket]

The NL didn't have as clear a winner as the AL.

I know, but Matt Holliday should've been clear enough.

 

I'd give it to Wright easily before Holliday.

[Mephistopheles]

ordonez was the al mvp.