Braun wins NL ROY??? Pedroia in the AL.

[imb]

god first base coaches are wearing helmets and now this im done with baseball

[Rob]

Yes, but again, you are now comparing the difference between the two, and again, the spread between defensive capabilities does not count for as much as the spread between offense.

 

Offense is more important than defense, typically. Nobody is going to argue that.

 

The question is whether the difference in defensive value between the best defensive SS in the league and an historically bad defensive season from a 3B is enough to cover the gap on their offensive values. If you can translate their defensive plays directly into runs saved/allowed, you can compare that directly to what they did with their bats. For this one, I'm gonna take a look at BRAA and FRAA.

 

Braun cost his team 25 runs on defense compared to the average 3B, while adding 36 runs with his bat.

 

Tulowitzki saved his team 24 runs on defense compared to the average SS, and added 10 runs with his bat.

 

Offensively speaking, Tulo isn't in Braun's class. But in this rare case, his defense was certainly enough to cover the gap.

[badnews]

Braun's NL Roy award will look real nice next to his GG award.

 

Rafael Palmeiro won the Gold Glove for 1b as a DH, why not.

[badnews]

I don't know how many times I can re-post the same thing, but every time the topic of a Colorado player or pick your player playing in a hitter's park, people seem to want to just take his road #s and say, there's his true hitting level. Beyond the Coors hangover effect that has been studied, there's the fact that hitters hit better at home period. There was a 24 point difference in OPS between home/road games for the NL this year. (Braun was 80 points better at home) Let's also add in the fact that Tulowitzki doesn't get to play any road games at Coors field.

 

We're still talking about a .141 point OPS difference.

 

The problem with all of these posts is that you'd just give the award to anyone defensively average with mediocre numbers. You get Angel Berroa in 2003 to come out looking better.

[TruffleShuffle]

Can someone make the case for Tulowitzki, cause I'm not seeing it at all. Take him out of Coors Field for the whole year, and his name wouldn't have even been in the discussion.

 

To me, Braun should have won by a mile. He had a monster year.

 

Tulo WARP3: 10.8

Braun WARP3: 4.8

 

that was easy.

[Soul]

Can someone make the case for Tulowitzki, cause I'm not seeing it at all. Take him out of Coors Field for the whole year, and his name wouldn't have even been in the discussion.

 

To me, Braun should have won by a mile. He had a monster year.

 

Tulo WARP3: 10.8

Braun WARP3: 4.8

 

that was easy.

 

I'm pretty sure very few of the voters look at that, but point taken.

[SouthSideRyan]

We're still talking about a .141 point OPS difference.

 

The problem with all of these posts is that you'd just give the award to anyone defensively average with mediocre numbers. You get Angel Berroa in 2003 to come out looking better.

 

Nobody's saying give it to a guy who's defensively average with mediocre numbers. Tulowitzki is neither. He's an above average hitter for a SS, and he's an excellent defender for a SS. Berroa '03 is not = Tulowitzki '07.

[OleMissCub]

The problem with all of these posts is that you'd just give the award to anyone defensively average with mediocre numbers. You get Angel Berroa in 2003 to come out looking better.

 

Defensively average???

 

Tulo looks like the second coming of Ozzie Smith out there.