Who are the Yankees targeting to replace ARod?

[USSoccer]

They do have the system now to go out and make some trades to fill some minor holes.

 

Not really. Hughes, Chamberlin, Tabata and Kennedy. What else is there?

 

Eric Duncan, Humberto Sanchez and plenty of B level talent. Notice I said MINOR holes. We have plenty of Theriot, Fontenot types in the farm. And you never know what those players may give you for a season or two.

 

Eric Duncan is completely worthless. Humberto Sanchez is fairly meh. And "B" level talent in the Yankee system is like C level talent elsewhere. They might be able to hype someone up and luck out in a trade with an idiot GM, but it's nowhere near a productive system (partly because of how active they've been in FA over the last 4 years).

 

And if you're counting on Theriot/Fontenot types to help you in the AL, you're hosed. You're in the 2nd best division in the better league.

[Yanksfan1523]

I think everyone needs to realize that it is not how much you spend, It is how you spend it! Spending money does not equal wins.

 

To a degree. It's a massive advantage to be able to outspend your mistakes.

 

I agree that teams liek the Yanks, Sox, Mets, Dodgers, and Cubs can spend to cover up mistakes, but that does not bring in wins and causes more problems down the line. Hence the Yankees downslide into mediocrity. I agree they will be hard pressed to win 90 next year, but they have to pay for the mistakes of overspending on garbage and build themselves back up. They do have the system now to go out and make some trades to fill some minor holes.

 

No, it does bring in wins. The only reason the Cubs went from 90 losses to 85 wins was money. The only reason the Yankees have stuck around at the elite level for so long is money.

 

If you spend $90-100m, a couple mistakes can really affect you negatively. If you spend $200 million, you can withstand a lot more mistakes.

 

It always cracks me up when Yankees fans try to lump themselves into the same group as LA, the Cubs and others. The Yankees are an entirely different concept than any other team in baseball. The Red Sox are similar, but significantly less well funded to make a difference. The next group doesn't even compare.

 

I disagree. The Yankees built themselves to this point. When Steinbummer bought the team they were trash! He spent money to make money and it took years. Now the yankees rake in money hand over fist and everyone puts them in another level. There are many owners who have more money then Steinbummer, but don't want to spend it to grow their business. Imagine the Cubs value if the Trib spent money (wisely of course) and the cubs won a world series? they would be valued at the same level as the Yankees!!

 

Everyone who wants to have the money arguement always says the Yankees have more to spend. So the Yankees have more money than the Trib? Does he have more money than Wally worlds son in KC? No, Steinbummer jsut chooses to spend his money(unwisely) and find ways to make money.

 

And let's not lose sight of the fact that the Yankees Dynasty was built when Steinbummer was suspended from baseball and guys who know the game were able to put together a minor league system that developed the core of a team that steinbummer then filled in with his checkbook. Yes he is overspending and yes he can afford to, but only because he built a business over the last 30 years that can sustain the cost. What other business do you buy and not invest any money in and you grow?? why do people think that just because you buy a team you don't have to put any money into building that team?

[UK1679666180]

As crazy as it sounds, if the Rays make a couple of good moves that improve their pitching staff, they have the potential to be better than the Yankees next year.

 

I agree, but I've been saying that for 2-3 years now. First with the Gomes/Baldelli/Kazmir/Crawford incarnation and now the Young/Dukes/Longoria one.

 

They'll make the playoffs for sure in 2009 or 2010. I know Callis keeps banging the Rays in the WS in 2010 drum, I wouldn't go that far, though.

 

Longoria/Price/McGee/Davis/Brignac is the best top 5 minor leaguers in any farm system in baseball. Sheesh.

 

#1 overall next year as well.

[biittner77]

How long was Steinbrenner suspended?

[Yanksfan1523]

How long was Steinbrenner suspended?

 

2 1/2 -3 years. Long enough for Gene Michaels and co. to put guys like Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Pettitte in the minors and allow Bernie Williams to mature into a Centerfielder and not trade him. Also trades for O'neill and pitching worked out well.

[UK1679666180]

I consider Kontos (depending on his injury) as a def. sleeper prospect in the Yanks system.

[hardcorecubfan]

anyway you look at this the Yankees will be saving money this year at third base.

[Guest]

 

EXACTLY A-Rod at 16-20 is one thing, A-Rod at 30-35 is another.

 

And lets make one thing CLEAR. I am a Yankee fan 4 life. I am not one of the asses that boos A-Rod. I want him to preform well while he is wearing pins! I also DO NOT say it is A-Rods fault THE TEAM LOST!! There have been many guys that have playeed for the Yankees that I HATED, but I still root for my team! I sat through years of Jesse Barfield, Steve Balboni, Len Sakata, John Montefusco and others!!

 

I have not like MANY moves made (Just like Cub Fans!) and am not dilussional as to what this team is without him! I see all the faults, saw them before last season. I see them now!! BUt signing A-Rod is not a cure for the Yanks problems. And just like the Soriano threads, What happens in the last 3 years of that contract when a 38 yr old A-Rod is making 40 Million!!

 

I am not knocking A-Rod and Praising the Giambi, Damon, Pavano, Farnsworth-LESS's of the team!! Do not lump me in with the 96ers that think the Yanks need to make the playoffs every year! I was at the Stadium when it was Mattingly and NOTHING!!!

 

The difference between ARod at $16-20m and ARod at $30m (not sure where you're getting $35-40m from) is $10-14m. Or, if you prefer, Jared Wright or Carl Pavano. That amount of payroll is nothing for your team. If you let ARod go, you're weakening your offense, so you're creating another hole to fill.

 

I'm assuming he means that the contract would be back-loaded so while the average would be $30M a year, the last few years would be more than that.

[USSoccer]

 

EXACTLY A-Rod at 16-20 is one thing, A-Rod at 30-35 is another.

 

And lets make one thing CLEAR. I am a Yankee fan 4 life. I am not one of the asses that boos A-Rod. I want him to preform well while he is wearing pins! I also DO NOT say it is A-Rods fault THE TEAM LOST!! There have been many guys that have playeed for the Yankees that I HATED, but I still root for my team! I sat through years of Jesse Barfield, Steve Balboni, Len Sakata, John Montefusco and others!!

 

I have not like MANY moves made (Just like Cub Fans!) and am not dilussional as to what this team is without him! I see all the faults, saw them before last season. I see them now!! BUt signing A-Rod is not a cure for the Yanks problems. And just like the Soriano threads, What happens in the last 3 years of that contract when a 38 yr old A-Rod is making 40 Million!!

 

I am not knocking A-Rod and Praising the Giambi, Damon, Pavano, Farnsworth-LESS's of the team!! Do not lump me in with the 96ers that think the Yanks need to make the playoffs every year! I was at the Stadium when it was Mattingly and NOTHING!!!

 

The difference between ARod at $16-20m and ARod at $30m (not sure where you're getting $35-40m from) is $10-14m. Or, if you prefer, Jared Wright or Carl Pavano. That amount of payroll is nothing for your team. If you let ARod go, you're weakening your offense, so you're creating another hole to fill.

 

I'm assuming he means that the contract would be back-loaded so while the average would be $30M a year, the last few years would be more than that.

 

Not only can New York afford it, but in 10 years is that amount of salary really going to be that high?

[Yanksfan1523]

 

EXACTLY A-Rod at 16-20 is one thing, A-Rod at 30-35 is another.

 

And lets make one thing CLEAR. I am a Yankee fan 4 life. I am not one of the asses that boos A-Rod. I want him to preform well while he is wearing pins! I also DO NOT say it is A-Rods fault THE TEAM LOST!! There have been many guys that have playeed for the Yankees that I HATED, but I still root for my team! I sat through years of Jesse Barfield, Steve Balboni, Len Sakata, John Montefusco and others!!

 

I have not like MANY moves made (Just like Cub Fans!) and am not dilussional as to what this team is without him! I see all the faults, saw them before last season. I see them now!! BUt signing A-Rod is not a cure for the Yanks problems. And just like the Soriano threads, What happens in the last 3 years of that contract when a 38 yr old A-Rod is making 40 Million!!

 

I am not knocking A-Rod and Praising the Giambi, Damon, Pavano, Farnsworth-LESS's of the team!! Do not lump me in with the 96ers that think the Yanks need to make the playoffs every year! I was at the Stadium when it was Mattingly and NOTHING!!!

 

The difference between ARod at $16-20m and ARod at $30m (not sure where you're getting $35-40m from) is $10-14m. Or, if you prefer, Jared Wright or Carl Pavano. That amount of payroll is nothing for your team. If you let ARod go, you're weakening your offense, so you're creating another hole to fill.

 

I'm assuming he means that the contract would be back-loaded so while the average would be $30M a year, the last few years would be more than that.

 

Not only the backloading, but everyone is missing one thing. BorA$$ wanted 350 million to bring A-Rod to the table and BEGIN negotiations!

 

Plus lets say the Yankees give him 35 a year, stright thru the contract. The Yanks are over the tax threshold! That means you add 40-50% tax to that. So It is like paying him 49-52.5 per year! Big difference! The fact is A-Rod will be missed, but he did not want to be here, AND THE YANKEES NEED TO LOWER PAYROLL!

[Keener98]

 

EXACTLY A-Rod at 16-20 is one thing, A-Rod at 30-35 is another.

 

And lets make one thing CLEAR. I am a Yankee fan 4 life. I am not one of the asses that boos A-Rod. I want him to preform well while he is wearing pins! I also DO NOT say it is A-Rods fault THE TEAM LOST!! There have been many guys that have playeed for the Yankees that I HATED, but I still root for my team! I sat through years of Jesse Barfield, Steve Balboni, Len Sakata, John Montefusco and others!!

 

I have not like MANY moves made (Just like Cub Fans!) and am not dilussional as to what this team is without him! I see all the faults, saw them before last season. I see them now!! BUt signing A-Rod is not a cure for the Yanks problems. And just like the Soriano threads, What happens in the last 3 years of that contract when a 38 yr old A-Rod is making 40 Million!!

 

I am not knocking A-Rod and Praising the Giambi, Damon, Pavano, Farnsworth-LESS's of the team!! Do not lump me in with the 96ers that think the Yanks need to make the playoffs every year! I was at the Stadium when it was Mattingly and NOTHING!!!

 

The difference between ARod at $16-20m and ARod at $30m (not sure where you're getting $35-40m from) is $10-14m. Or, if you prefer, Jared Wright or Carl Pavano. That amount of payroll is nothing for your team. If you let ARod go, you're weakening your offense, so you're creating another hole to fill.

 

I'm assuming he means that the contract would be back-loaded so while the average would be $30M a year, the last few years would be more than that.

 

Not only the backloading, but everyone is missing one thing. BorA$$ wanted 350 million to bring A-Rod to the table and BEGIN negotiations!

Plus lets say the Yankees give him 35 a year, stright thru the contract. The Yanks are over the tax threshold! That means you add 40-50% tax to that. So It is like paying him 49-52.5 per year! Big difference! The fact is A-Rod will be missed, but he did not want to be here, AND THE YANKEES NEED TO LOWER PAYROLL!

 

I really dont believe thats true. I think its the Yankees trying to make Arod look like a bad guy.

[inari]

I can't really be the first person to say this; too many !!'s in this thread.

[javy knows my name]

I can't really be the first person to say this; too many !!'s in this thread.

 

(!!) I'm putting the over/under on Yanksfan's age at 16 (!!)

[Guest]

I can't really be the first person to say this; too many !!'s in this thread.

 

(!!) I'm putting the over/under on Yanksfan's age at 16 (!!)

Cut the insults.

[Derwood]

it's not an insult to say someone is 16? what is the cutoff age for no longer being insulting?

[javy knows my name]

it's not an insult to say someone is 16? what is the cutoff age for no longer being insulting?

If he admits to being under it is so not an insult.

[cbbryan]

I can't really be the first person to say this; too many !!'s in this thread.

 

(!!) I'm putting the over/under on Yanksfan's age at 16 (!!)

 

 

I'm taking the WAY OVER on this one!

[Yanksfan1523]

I wish I could take the under, but I just write like I talk. Sorry for getting to excited, I'll calm down. I can laugh at myself.

[Guest]

it's not an insult to say someone is 16? what is the cutoff age for no longer being insulting?

uh, one post above yours, man.

[Derwood]

it's not an insult to say someone is 16? what is the cutoff age for no longer being insulting?

uh, one post above yours, man.

 

it was actually a typo on my part. what i meant to ask is why was it an insult to guess someone's age?

[Keener98]

it's not an insult to say someone is 16? what is the cutoff age for no longer being insulting?

uh, one post above yours, man.

 

it was actually a typo on my part. what i meant to ask is why was it an insult to guess someone's age?

Come on Derwood, do you really need it explained why thats an insult in this context?

[Derwood]

it's not an insult to say someone is 16? what is the cutoff age for no longer being insulting?

uh, one post above yours, man.

 

it was actually a typo on my part. what i meant to ask is why was it an insult to guess someone's age?

Come on Derwood, do you really need it explained why thats an insult in this context?

 

yes, because if THAT is an insult, then pretty much everyone on this board is guilty of insulting someone every day, which means pretty soon we'll all be banned.

[Guest]

it's not an insult to say someone is 16? what is the cutoff age for no longer being insulting?

uh, one post above yours, man.

 

it was actually a typo on my part. what i meant to ask is why was it an insult to guess someone's age?

Come on Derwood, do you really need it explained why thats an insult in this context?

 

yes, because if THAT is an insult, then pretty much everyone on this board is guilty of insulting someone every day, which means pretty soon we'll all be banned.

Quit acting like a 12 year old.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does that help?

[Derwood]

it's not an insult to say someone is 16? what is the cutoff age for no longer being insulting?

uh, one post above yours, man.

 

it was actually a typo on my part. what i meant to ask is why was it an insult to guess someone's age?

Come on Derwood, do you really need it explained why thats an insult in this context?

 

yes, because if THAT is an insult, then pretty much everyone on this board is guilty of insulting someone every day, which means pretty soon we'll all be banned.

Quit acting like a 12 year old.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does that help?

 

superb

[YearofDaCubs]

We really don't know who really is the bad guy when it comes to the ARod contract but considering how demanding Boras is and how he was talking up his client I will side with the Yankees on this one. They made it clear they would not negotiate if ARod opted out. Nobody is going to give ARod 350million and if they do, they are idiots.