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C/O of me.

 

National League Cy Young Award:

1. Jake Peavy

2. Tim Hudson

3. Brad Penny

4. John Smoltz

5. Brandon Webb

6. Carlos Zambrano

7. Adam Wainwright

8. Matt Cain

9. Chris Young

10. Roy Oswalt

 

American League Most Valuable Player:

1. Magglio Ordonez

2. Alex Rodriguez

3. Grady Sizemore

4. David Ortiz

5. Vladimir Guerrero

6. C.c. Sabathia

7. Roy Halladay

8. Josh Beckett

9. Johan Santana

10. Carlos Pena

 

American League Cy Young Award:

1. C.c. Sabathia

2. Roy Halladay

3. Josh Beckett

4. Johan Santana

5. Fausto Carmona

6. John Lackey

7. Erik Bedard

8. Dan Haren

9. Kelvim Escobar

10. Joe Blanton

 

National League Rookie of the Year:

1. Troy Tulowitzki

2. Hunter Pence

3. Chad Billinglsey

4. James Loney

5. Ryan Braun

 

National League Most Valuable Player

1. Jake Peavy

2. Albert Pujols

3. Matt Holliday

4. David Wright

5. Hanley Ramirez

6. Tim Hudson

7. Brad Penny

8. Chase Utley

9. Derrek Lee

10. Prince Fielder

 

Most Valuable 50 Players

1. Jake Peavy

2. Albert Pujols

3. Magglio Ordonez

4. Matt Holliday

5. Alex Rodriguez

6. David Wright

7. Grady Sizemore

8. Hanley Ramirez

9. Tim Hudson

10. Brad Penny

11. Chase Utley

12. Derrek Lee

13. David Ortiz

14. Prince Fielder

15. Vladimir Guerrero

16. C.c. Sabathia

17. Jimmy Rollins

18. Roy Halladay

19. Chipper Jones

20. Alfonso Soriano

21. Josh Beckett

22. Johan Santana

23. John Smoltz

24. Miguel Cabrera

25. Carlos Pena

26. Edgar Renteria

27. Fausto Carmona

28. Aramis Ramirez

29. Carlos Beltran

30. Orlando Hudson

31. Curtis Granderson

32. Brandon Webb

33. Placido Polanco

34. Todd Helton

35. Torii Hunter

36. Aaron Rowand

37. Troy Tulowitzki

38. Jose Reyes

39. John Lackey

40. Ichiro Suzuki

41. Erik Bedard

42. Carlos Zambrano

43. Dan Haren

44. Brian Roberts

45. Russell Martin

46. Adam Wainwright

47. Matt Cain

48. Alex Rios

49. Mike Lowell

50. Jorge Posada

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Braun 5th in ROTY? I agree that Tulowitzki should win, but there's no way Braun should be that low in the ROTY rankings.

 

-25 defense hurts. a lot.

 

I thought defense didn't matter?

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Tim Hudson second for NL Cy Young?

 

And Roy Halladay did not have a better season than Beckett, Carmona or Santana. A 3.71 ERA and 1.24 WHIP does not get you in the top 2 for a Cy Young award.

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who said that?

 

yes hudson and halladay are #2 in their leagues

How do you figure that Soriano and Lee were more valuable than Ramirez this year?

Mephistopheles Knoxville Smokies

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who said that?

 

yes hudson and halladay are #2 in their leagues

How do you figure that Soriano and Lee were more valuable than Ramirez this year?

 

 

Magic!

 

No seriosuly Derrek Lee had a higher VORP than Aramis this year as well as being a better defender and Soriano was a +20 defender give or take.

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imb

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who said that?

 

yes hudson and halladay are #2 in their leagues

How do you figure that Soriano and Lee were more valuable than Ramirez this year?

 

 

Magic!

 

No seriosuly Derrek Lee had a higher VORP than Aramis this year as well as being a better defender and Soriano was a +20 defender give or take.

 

When you say +20, does that mean he saved 20 runs?

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who said that?

 

yes hudson and halladay are #2 in their leagues

How do you figure that Soriano and Lee were more valuable than Ramirez this year?

 

 

Magic!

 

No seriosuly Derrek Lee had a higher VORP than Aramis this year as well as being a better defender and Soriano was a +20 defender give or take.

 

Do you actually watch games? Sorry, I know everyone on this board is a stat head, but no one that watched the games this year could say Lee was more valuable to the Cubs than Ramirez.

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who said that?

 

yes hudson and halladay are #2 in their leagues

How do you figure that Soriano and Lee were more valuable than Ramirez this year?

 

 

Magic!

 

No seriosuly Derrek Lee had a higher VORP than Aramis this year as well as being a better defender and Soriano was a +20 defender give or take.

 

Do you actually watch games? Sorry, I know everyone on this board is a stat head, but no one that watched the games this year could say Lee was more valuable to the Cubs than Ramirez.

 

The whole "do you even watch the games" argument got old and tired years ago. Its still a bad way to argue your point.

 

Lee did play in 18 more games, made 92 more PA, had a .044 better OBP (.400 vs .366), and a .913 OPS to Aramis' .915. Add in that Lee is a plus defender (albeit at first) and I think you can make an argument that he was more valuable to this team this year. Keep in mind its not a question of who is the better hitter, but who was more valuable.

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Keep in mind its not a question of who is the better hitter, but who was more valuable.

 

Although Lee actually did EqA .306 to Aramis' .301.

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