G.R.I.T.F.actor

[USSoccer]

This is getting very close to perfection. BP better get ready to pay out.

 

fixed

 

i say we all start voting shares for how we're going to divide up the sweet cash we'll make when we sell this baby to the highest bidder

 

Agreed. As the thread starter, I feel we should divvy it up by participation in this thread, and in my birthday thread.

[Outshined_One]

Number of times batting leadoff or #2 has to be in there.

 

You want your gritty guys to always hit in one of the top two spots in the order.

[Burtonbell]

How about adding in the times Hawk & the rest of the Sox announcers say the player has the grit factor? The Erstad Quotient or something like that.

 

 

 

How about any time the player played multiple positions? Like a certain someone who went from C to 2b to OF. Those guys can only be gritty to handle changes like that.

 

I mean Adam Dunn switched to 1b because he clogs the outfield, but guys like Darren Erstad switched from OF to 1b because he has some GRIT baby! Erstad can probably play the whole infield if need be.

[rocket]

the stat needs to include intelligence on the basepaths. is there a way to know how often the runner goes from 1st to 3rd or home on a base hit?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

please add to the rules that the player must be white

[USSoccer]

the stat needs to include intelligence on the basepaths. is there a way to know how often the runner goes from 1st to 3rd or home on a base hit?

 

I can't figure out a way to include this. I think this would be a good addition, though.

[imb]

Unfortunately for this thread, you dont need a stat for this, you can tell who is G.R.I.T.tier if you just watch the games.

[abuck1220]

please add to the rules that the player must be white

 

can't believe it took this long for this factor to be pointed out. it's clearly the most important.

[USSoccer]

Unfortunately for this thread, you dont need a stat for this, you can tell who is G.R.I.T.tier if you just watch the games.

 

But this formula will allow all of us sitting in our mothers basements playing WoW and reading Bill James abstracts to properly appreciate the G.R.I.T.Factor of the commonly overlooked player.

 

Imagine-Paul DePodesta and Bill Plaschke embracing, tears running down their cheeks, whilst DePo sobs "I get it now-LoDuca should have stayed put".

[USSoccer]

please add to the rules that the player must be white

 

can't believe it took this long for this factor to be pointed out. it's clearly the most important.

 

I thought that was factored in by the fact that you get a draft round multiplier.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

please add to the rules that the player must be white

 

I'm not sure about that. It's been debated that Eric Young, Delino DeShields, Harold Reynolds, and Tony Womack are GRITy ballplayers. Those guys brought a level of intangibility that few have ever brought to the game.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

I've decided that the time is now to come up with a metric to measure the grittiness of a player compared to his peers. This is what I have so far:

 

# of IF hits + # of Sac Bunts * BA w/ RiSP. / height in inches.

 

So, if you had a player with 20 infield hits and 25 sac bunts, you take 45 and multiply it by, say .288, you would get 12.96. Let's assume this player is 5'8. You then divide it by 68 and you get a GRIT factor of .19.

 

So, the taller you are, and the fewer gritty type hits and bunts you made, and the less clutchy you are, the worse your GRIT factor will be. Like, if you're 6'5, with the same numbers, you get a GRIT factor of .16. Which means you can't be as gritty as a shorter player with the same skillset.

 

I'd like to work in other clutchy metrics, because, let's face it, there's a need to evaluate gritty grindy hustleballers sabermetrically. So what else should the formula include? HBP? Walks? Walk off hits? Years spent in minors?

 

I think we can do this. I think we can create an awesome metric here. I'm looking for feedback.

 

You must include, if you haven't already, the number of times said GRITy ballplayer gets the runner from 2nd to 3rd with no one out. Some consider this skill only one that a GRITy ballplayer can accomplish. You don't see Matt Holliday moving that runner over. He's selfish, he tries to drive that runner in or out of the park and pad is RBI stats. A GRITy ballplayer would do it like they did in the old days and move that runner over so the next GRITy ballplayer could drive him in with a groundball to the middle infielders or a flyball into the outfield. That's GRITy.

[rocket]

http://jsonline.stats.com/mlb/getleaders.asp?rank=067&Submit=Go

 

http://jsonline.stats.com/mlb/getleaders.asp?rank=239&Submit=Go

 

i'm not sure how they got those numbers and what they mean, but those are the al and nl leaders in taking an extra base on the basepaths.

 

also something to consider, how many times did he break up a double play?

[USSoccer]

http://jsonline.stats.com/mlb/getleaders.asp?rank=067&Submit=Go

 

http://jsonline.stats.com/mlb/getleaders.asp?rank=239&Submit=Go

 

i'm not sure how they got those numbers and what they mean, but those are the al and nl leaders in taking an extra base on the basepaths.

 

also something to consider, how many times did he break up a double play?

 

Oooo. I like where this is going.

[NonProfitCow]

number of times on disabled list x 20

 

Because that's how many times they should have been on the dl if not for their grittiness.

[FergieJ31]

How can we work facial hair into the metric? Is it an intangible tangible or a tangible intangible?

[MPC]

i'm no expert because i've never be a gritty guy myself, i don't know if my opinion can considered as valid. i'm rather lazy, i stand and admire my posts before hitting the submit button, i don't hustle from thread to thread, and i have poor body language after spelling and grammatical mistakes. again, if you don't feel like my suggestions are acceptable because i never played the game, i'd understand.

 

suggestions:

 

-points for wearing eye black (bonus points if it gets smeared on a regular basis)

 

-points for chewing tobacco (bonus points if it's clearly visible to the tv audience)

 

-points if kenny williams has gotten a chubby over the thought of the player in a white sox uniform

 

-points for excessive pinetar on the top of the battle helmet

 

-points for carrying batting gloves in your hands on the basepaths (of course, they weren't worn at the plate)

[wolf stansson]

I think we could make it G.R.I.T.F.actor -

 

You compare all players grittiness to Eckstein's and then give them a minus number for grittiness.

 

Eckstein's grit factor is 100.

 

Dustin Pedroia's is 87 and Manny Ramirez is 10.

 

Thusly Pedroia's GRIT- is -13 and Man Ram is -90.

[VVMattVV]

I think we could make it G.R.I.T.F.actor -

 

You compare all players grittiness to Eckstein's and then give them a minus number for grittiness.

 

Eckstein's grit factor is 100.

 

Dustin Pedroia's is 87 and Manny Ramirez is 10.

 

Thusly Pedroia's GRIT- is -13 and Man Ram is -90.

 

I like where your head is.

 

We're going to need a G.R.I.T.F.actor+. I'm not sure if the Eckstein model works, but something along those lines seems plausible.

[wolf stansson]

I think we could make it G.R.I.T.F.actor -

 

You compare all players grittiness to Eckstein's and then give them a minus number for grittiness.

 

Eckstein's grit factor is 100.

 

Dustin Pedroia's is 87 and Manny Ramirez is 10.

 

Thusly Pedroia's GRIT- is -13 and Man Ram is -90.

 

I like where your head is.

 

We're going to need a G.R.I.T.F.actor+. I'm not sure if the Eckstein model works, but something along those lines seems plausible.

Somebody would have to calculate GRITFactor for the whole league to come up with a league average 100+ GRIT

[Skyballer]

sb?

 

sb%?

[Derwood]

Times grounded out 4-3. G.R.I.T.ty players excel at doing that

[BDWeav71]

i'm no expert because i've never be a gritty guy myself, i don't know if my opinion can considered as valid. i'm rather lazy, i stand and admire my posts before hitting the submit button, i don't hustle from thread to thread, and i have poor body language after spelling and grammatical mistakes. again, if you don't feel like my suggestions are acceptable because i never played the game, i'd understand.

 

suggestions:

 

-points for wearing eye black (bonus points if it gets smeared on a regular basis)

 

-points for chewing tobacco (bonus points if it's clearly visible to the tv audience)

 

-points if kenny williams has gotten a chubby over the thought of the player in a white sox uniform

 

-points for excessive pinetar on the top of the battle helmet

 

-points for carrying batting gloves in your hands on the basepaths (of course, they weren't worn at the plate)

 

 

Thank you, this post is fantastic.

[treebird]

Times grounded out 4-3. G.R.I.T.ty players excel at doing that

 

oh my god, productive outs

 

how could we have forgotten productive outs

 

maybe we should start over

[Mephistopheles]

im on this, will have a formula and rankings shortly.