We are all such Bartman hating 'losers'

[UMFan83]

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/10390403

 

If you are still dreaming of harassing Steve Bartman, as many Chicago Cubs fans do, you are a loser. If you go to his house, you are a loser. If you call his work, you are a loser. If you are a Cubs fan and want to do him bodily harm, you are a stinking loser.

 

Are you [expletive] serious? Here is my email that I wrote him

 

 

Are you kidding man? Do you really think that Cubs fans even think about Bartman? Do your research. CUBS FANS DON'T TALK ABOUT BARTMAN. I live in Chicago, and live among Cubs fans everyday, at my house, in my office, at the local grocery store and guess what? NO ONE TALKS ABOUT BARTMAN.

 

I am sorry if you think I am taking this out on you, but this is what I deal with everyday. We know Bartman didn't do crap. Maybe for a week after the NLCS in 2003 some of us used Bartman as a scapegoat. But since then, 99% of Cubs fans know that the real person to blame is Alex Gonzalez, Dusty Baker, Mark Prior, the Marlins in that order.

 

So why is this still on the collective conscience of everyone out there? To start, the media brings this up at every opportunity they can. Thanks to the media Bartman is now synonymous with the Chicago Cubs. We cannot escape this fate. Now, when fans from other teams rip on the Cubs, its not about a 99 year championship drought, its not the curse of the Billy Goat, its "oh you are a Cubs fan? Is BARTMAN going to show up for the playoffs??" or "Man you must want to kill that Bartman guy".

 

Media outlets do stories about fans views on Bartman, and they probably have to interview 1,000 well intentioned Cubs fans before they come up with one bitter person that says "Man I wish Bartman was here right now so I could take him out". Sadly, every team's fan base has their bad apples, and our bad apples go to Cubs games, drink Old Style, barely remember the score of the game, and get their views and impressions of the Cubs from...you guessed it, the national media.

 

Obviously, I have no emphirical data to support this, my only evidence is the fact that I am a die hard Cubs fan who lives 4 blocks from the field and lives the Cubs on a everyday basis. Imagine how I feel. My team suffers a horrible loss in the NLCS, and everyone starts blaming this Bartman guy. Me as a smart baseball fan knows that he has nothing to do with our collapse. But that doesn't matter because media stories keep coming out about how much we hate Bartman. Fans of other teams find out I'm a Cubs fan and the word Bartman comes out within the first 3 sentences. Now we have some columnist on a national sports website calling me a loser for ideas that none of us believe in.

 

Please, just do a little research before you write your columns.

[cl smooth]

being a cubs fan and living in new york, one of the first (if not THE first) question i get asked about the cubs is "what happened with bartman?" it's like i hang with the dude every day and eat bagels for breakfast with him. did people go up to red sox fans before 2004 and ask them "SO WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH BUCKNER?!" i don't get it. i never had a mental image of red sox fans sticking a buckner doll with needles or camping out in front of his house trying to kill him. why do people think we're like this? didn't the newspapers leak his home address and what not way back when? what a mess that was.

[anabiono]

nice, very nice...

 

i am getting ready to go to work tonight...i can't wait for it...

 

i know one person in particular is going to rub it in...and he is well...i will let you use your imaginations...

 

here comes...bartman strikes again...the goat...oh, why do you think you guys are going to win every year? don't you know by now that you will forever be the lovable losers? that is why everybody likes you guys anyway...

 

blah blah blah

 

i hate people

[SouthSideRyan]

Please, just do a little research before you write your columns.

 

You lost him there, when's the last time a national sportswriter did 10 minutes of research? That doesn't sell newspapers and get clicks to a website!

[minnesotacubsfan]

sometimes I think the whole "curse" thing is more important to non-cub fans then cub fans. if the cubs ever won it all, what would those people do with their lives?

[Cubzfan64]

being a cubs fan and living in new york, one of the first (if not THE first) question i get asked about the cubs is "what happened with bartman?" it's like i hang with the dude every day and eat bagels for breakfast with him. did people go up to red sox fans before 2004 and ask them "SO WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH BUCKNER?!" i don't get it. i never had a mental image of red sox fans sticking a buckner doll with needles or camping out in front of his house trying to kill him. why do people think we're like this? didn't the newspapers leak his home address and what not way back when? what a mess that was.

 

Actually , Buckner WAS harrassed in Boston for quite awhile after the ball went under his glove that year against the Mets. In fact if I'm not mistaken, he and his family moved away from the area due partly to the fact that his family was having to deal with crap from people as well and he didn't want them to have to deal with it.

 

Last interview I recall seeing was a couple years ago and although he sounded like it was all "in the past" and he didn't really think about it much, I also got the feeling he's never forgiven the people of Boston for their treatment of him and his family. I believe he was invited to Boston for the celebration of the 2004 WS as some kind of "all is forgiven" gesture and his response to it was more or less "go F yourselves" and he never did come back for it.

 

The only thing I did hear is that he finally agreed to sign photos of the ball going under his glove and he meets up with Mookie Wilson now and then at different functions to both sign the photo - I think his comment was something along the lines of "It doesn't bother me anymore, and if I can make money off signing them, fine with me."

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Actually , Buckner WAS harrassed in Boston for quite awhile after the ball went under his glove that year against the Mets. In fact if I'm not mistaken, he and his family moved away from the area due partly to the fact that his family was having to deal with crap from people as well and he didn't want them to have to deal with it.

 

 

Buckner came back to play and retire with Boston in 1990. He was cheered despite being terrible.

[UMFan83]

being a cubs fan and living in new york, one of the first (if not THE first) question i get asked about the cubs is "what happened with bartman?" it's like i hang with the dude every day and eat bagels for breakfast with him. did people go up to red sox fans before 2004 and ask them "SO WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH BUCKNER?!" i don't get it. i never had a mental image of red sox fans sticking a buckner doll with needles or camping out in front of his house trying to kill him. why do people think we're like this? didn't the newspapers leak his home address and what not way back when? what a mess that was.

 

Actually , Buckner WAS harrassed in Boston for quite awhile after the ball went under his glove that year against the Mets. In fact if I'm not mistaken, he and his family moved away from the area due partly to the fact that his family was having to deal with crap from people as well and he didn't want them to have to deal with it.

 

Last interview I recall seeing was a couple years ago and although he sounded like it was all "in the past" and he didn't really think about it much, I also got the feeling he's never forgiven the people of Boston for their treatment of him and his family. I believe he was invited to Boston for the celebration of the 2004 WS as some kind of "all is forgiven" gesture and his response to it was more or less "go F yourselves" and he never did come back for it.

 

The only thing I did hear is that he finally agreed to sign photos of the ball going under his glove and he meets up with Mookie Wilson now and then at different functions to both sign the photo - I think his comment was something along the lines of "It doesn't bother me anymore, and if I can make money off signing them, fine with me."

 

Yeah the reason why its in the past and he doesn't care is because he lives in like Montana these days.

 

Besides, Buckner had much more to do with the Sox losing the World Series than the Cubs losing the NLCS, if only because he was actually a player on the field. While the Sox could have easily lost the WS without Buckner's error, it certainly did not increase their chances or even keep that at status quo.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

 

 

Yeah the reason why its in the past and he doesn't care is because he lives in like Montana these days.

 

Besides, Buckner had much more to do with the Sox losing the World Series than Bartman had to do with the Cubs losing the NLCS, if only because he was actually a player on the field. While the Sox could have easily lost the WS without Buckner's error, it certainly did not increase their chances or even keep that at status quo.

 

I think you mean the above?

 

edit: s rory, not trying to be a grammar nazi, just trying to understand your point...

[Andy]

There was someone in one of my classes today talking about how stupid Cubs fans are for blaming Bartman (this is at least the 5th time I've heard this in the last week). I wasn't wearing Cubs stuff so he didn't know what I was, but I wanted to jack the dude in the face.

[minnesotacubsfan]

There was someone in one of my classes today talking about how stupid Cubs fans are for blaming Bartman (this is at least the 5th time I've heard this in the last week). I wasn't wearing Cubs stuff so he didn't know what I was, but I wanted to jack the dude in the face.

 

what? UR STOOPID STOP BLAMN HIM

 

[JimSorgi]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=brain/071005/bartman&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab7pos1

 

I hope that didn't take more than a minute to make.

[minnesotacubsfan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=brain/071005/bartman&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab7pos1

 

I hope that didn't take more than a minute to make.

 

[expletive] off espn

[jdelaney5150]

UMFan that was a well thoght out response but all you really needed to say was:

 

"If you are still writing columns about Bartman you are a loser"

[OleMissCub]

 

Actually , Buckner WAS harrassed in Boston for quite awhile after the ball went under his glove that year against the Mets. In fact if I'm not mistaken, he and his family moved away from the area due partly to the fact that his family was having to deal with crap from people as well and he didn't want them to have to deal with it.

 

 

Buckner came back to play and retire with Boston in 1990. He was cheered despite being terrible.

 

Anyone else watch the Buckner play and think that Mookie might have been safe even if Buckner fielded it cleanly? Mookie was hauling ass down the line.

[Garwilly]

 

Actually , Buckner WAS harrassed in Boston for quite awhile after the ball went under his glove that year against the Mets. In fact if I'm not mistaken, he and his family moved away from the area due partly to the fact that his family was having to deal with crap from people as well and he didn't want them to have to deal with it.

 

 

Buckner came back to play and retire with Boston in 1990. He was cheered despite being terrible.

 

Anyone else watch the Buckner play and think that Mookie might have been safe even if Buckner fielded it cleanly? Mookie was hauling ass down the line.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3jv3uP1iKHU

 

He'd have been out.

[Careless]

That article read like someone was trying to make a stereotypically bad sports column. That guy is simply terrible

[Omar]

I keep checking this thread to see what the writer has to say to UMF's response.

[OleMissCub]

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3jv3uP1iKHU

 

He'd have been out.

 

Ya, you're right. He would have gotten him.

[NCCubFan]

 

Actually , Buckner WAS harrassed in Boston for quite awhile after the ball went under his glove that year against the Mets. In fact if I'm not mistaken, he and his family moved away from the area due partly to the fact that his family was having to deal with crap from people as well and he didn't want them to have to deal with it.

 

 

Buckner came back to play and retire with Boston in 1990. He was cheered despite being terrible.

 

Anyone else watch the Buckner play and think that Mookie might have been safe even if Buckner fielded it cleanly? Mookie was hauling ass down the line.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3jv3uP1iKHU

 

He'd have been out.

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