Marmol and his slider

[nilodnayr]

Interesting that we're now playing the inexperienced angle after losing to a bunch of 24-year olds.

 

No, we lost last night because our hitters couldn't hit Webb....no big surprise from me. I was hoping that somehow we could pull it out, but in my heart I knew the Cubs would look like little girls at the plate....and little girls they did look like. We had our chances, but we didn't capitalize.

 

I would just like to note that this was the post that badnews is calling "tip your cap"

 

No one said he was unhittable and we were damned, no one LOL'ed because you thought he didn't pitch that well, no one said Livan Herndez is nasty.

 

Its pretty tough to argue with you when you are making stuff up.

 

I think we can find common ground in the fact that Webb wore down as the game went on and the cubs did not capitalize on their opportunities.

[badnews]

I think I have a right to be skeptical when people are talking up his sinker which wasn't particularly good last night.

 

Derrek was one of the guys taking the offspeed stuff right down the middle. I'll buy his offspeed stuff was his strength, but I don't think he had his real bread and butter going.

[badnews]

I don't remember if that was the post I meant to respond to. I think there was "tip the cap" in this topic. Instead of fawning all over how great Brandon Webb is I'd like to see people a little pissed off some of the ABs the players gave away. I felt at one point in the game DeRosa was the only guy turning in professional ABs, and it's not because DeRo is the best hitter.

 

Some of those things I didn't even say, so you're making things up. The Livan Hernandez thing is because people tend to tip the cap to mediocre pitchers when they dominate the Cubs. I am tired of the tipping of caps to pitchers great and mediocre alike. I was being satirical. The fans are so quick to proclaim Brandon Webb nasty that they will call Livan filthy next. I did not mean literally that is what people were saying.

[nilodnayr]

I don't remember if that was the post I meant to respond to. I think there was "tip the cap" in this topic. Instead of fawning all over how great Brandon Webb is I'd like to see people a little pissed off some of the ABs the players gave away. I felt at one point in the game DeRosa was the only guy turning in professional ABs, and it's not because DeRo is the best hitter.

 

Some of those things I didn't even say, so you're making things up. The Livan Hernandez thing is because people tend to tip the cap to mediocre pitchers when they dominate the Cubs. I am tired of the tipping of caps to pitchers great and mediocre alike. I was being satirical. The fans are so quick to proclaim Brandon Webb nasty that they will call Livan filthy next. I did not mean literally that is what people were saying.

 

I thought Soto had some decent ABs, he was patient and taking balls.

[bukie]

The problem is, the best strategy with a guy like Webb is to swing at the first good pitch you see, because it'll likely be the most hittable pitch in the AB. For the most part, the Cub hitters had a good approach to Webb, except Lee, who would always take the first-pitch strike (except when he singled on the first pitch in the 6th). Sure, it's not being patient, but as long as Webb is throwing strikes consistently, he's always trying to get ahead on the first pitch with a fastball. If it's hittable, they should be swinging at it.

[Derwood]

i love how one loss to another team's ace just increases the snark level by 1000% on this board. i know, let's all kill each other over this and be nasty and sarcastic all day. sweet!

[Peoriaman]

I don't remember if that was the post I meant to respond to. I think there was "tip the cap" in this topic. Instead of fawning all over how great Brandon Webb is I'd like to see people a little pissed off some of the ABs the players gave away. I felt at one point in the game DeRosa was the only guy turning in professional ABs, and it's not because DeRo is the best hitter.

 

Some of those things I didn't even say, so you're making things up. The Livan Hernandez thing is because people tend to tip the cap to mediocre pitchers when they dominate the Cubs. I am tired of the tipping of caps to pitchers great and mediocre alike. I was being satirical. The fans are so quick to proclaim Brandon Webb nasty that they will call Livan filthy next. I did not mean literally that is what people were saying.

 

 

I respectfully ask: what good would it do for us on this message board to get "pissed off"? Webb is a fine pitcher. He beat us. On to game 2.

 

 

as an aside, doesn't the internet breed enough "pissed off" people that we don't have to be begging for more? :)

[weis21]

i love how one loss to another team's ace just increases the snark level by 1000% on this board. i know, let's all kill each other over this and be nasty and sarcastic all day. sweet!

 

what's that supposed to mean??? :x

[Dr. Cub]

I think I have a right to be skeptical when people are talking up his sinker which wasn't particularly good last night.

 

Derrek was one of the guys taking the offspeed stuff right down the middle. I'll buy his offspeed stuff was his strength, but I don't think he had his real bread and butter going.

 

Which is it then? You've made mention (at least twice in this thread) about a "change up right down the middle with no movement". I've got the game on my DVR. You come to my house (I'll pay for the gas) and show me even 2 change-ups that didn't fall of the face of the earth, and I'll give you 10K. If not, then you owe me 10K. Sound good? Webb never left a change-up down the middle of the plate. I think maybe you need to watch the game again or have someone explain what pitch is what during the game.

[Butterscup1679666578]

 

For crying out loud, he brought in our most dominant reliever.....he wasn't conceding the game.

 

Zambrano was on auto-pilot, there was no reason to pull him. You don't pull a starter that YOU KNOW is dominant AT THAT TIME, even if it's for your best reliever. You don't know whether Marmol has his stuff or not that night, but you KNOW Zambrano does.

 

Ok, I understand what you're saying and we can debate that.

 

But to say that Lou was trying to lose or concede the game, that's just plain assinine.

 

Lou was absolutely playing for Game 4 by taking him out at 85 pitches. How about we try to win one first?

[CubColtPacer]

 

For crying out loud, he brought in our most dominant reliever.....he wasn't conceding the game.

 

Zambrano was on auto-pilot, there was no reason to pull him. You don't pull a starter that YOU KNOW is dominant AT THAT TIME, even if it's for your best reliever. You don't know whether Marmol has his stuff or not that night, but you KNOW Zambrano does.

 

Ok, I understand what you're saying and we can debate that.

 

But to say that Lou was trying to lose or concede the game, that's just plain assinine.

 

Lou was absolutely playing for Game 4 by taking him out at 85 pitches. How about we try to win one first?

 

You have to win 3 games. If your chance of winning game 4 goes up by more than your chance of losing game 1, then it's the correct move.

[Soul]

 

For crying out loud, he brought in our most dominant reliever.....he wasn't conceding the game.

 

Zambrano was on auto-pilot, there was no reason to pull him. You don't pull a starter that YOU KNOW is dominant AT THAT TIME, even if it's for your best reliever. You don't know whether Marmol has his stuff or not that night, but you KNOW Zambrano does.

 

Ok, I understand what you're saying and we can debate that.

 

But to say that Lou was trying to lose or concede the game, that's just plain assinine.

 

Lou was absolutely playing for Game 4 by taking him out at 85 pitches. How about we try to win one first?

 

Excellent idea. How about we score some runs in order to win the game?

[Warren Brusstar]

 

For crying out loud, he brought in our most dominant reliever.....he wasn't conceding the game.

 

Zambrano was on auto-pilot, there was no reason to pull him. You don't pull a starter that YOU KNOW is dominant AT THAT TIME, even if it's for your best reliever. You don't know whether Marmol has his stuff or not that night, but you KNOW Zambrano does.

 

Ok, I understand what you're saying and we can debate that.

 

But to say that Lou was trying to lose or concede the game, that's just plain assinine.

 

Lou was absolutely playing for Game 4 by taking him out at 85 pitches. How about we try to win one first?

 

Those aren't mutually exclusive.

 

Marmol was less likely to give up runs in the 7th than Z.

[Peoriaman]

 

For crying out loud, he brought in our most dominant reliever.....he wasn't conceding the game.

 

Zambrano was on auto-pilot, there was no reason to pull him. You don't pull a starter that YOU KNOW is dominant AT THAT TIME, even if it's for your best reliever. You don't know whether Marmol has his stuff or not that night, but you KNOW Zambrano does.

 

Ok, I understand what you're saying and we can debate that.

 

But to say that Lou was trying to lose or concede the game, that's just plain assinine.

 

Lou was absolutely playing for Game 4 by taking him out at 85 pitches. How about we try to win one first?

 

Those aren't mutually exclusive.

 

Marmol was less likely to give up runs in the 7th than Z.

 

 

Exactly!