9/15 Game 2: Cubs (Marshall) @ Cards (Piniero) 7:10 CDT CSN

[Coach C]

I think I fixed my sig; if it is still throwing pages off, someone tell me and I'll just take the quote out.

 

Works fine for me.

[Smack]

I think I fixed my sig; if it is still throwing pages off, someone tell me and I'll just take the quote out.

 

Works fine for me.

 

me too

[inari]

Cubs go this way

 

Soriano, LF

Jones, CF

Lee, 1B

Ramirez, 3B

Floyd, RF

DeRosa, 2B

Kendall, C

Theriot, SS

Marshall, P

 

Switching Jones and either DeRosa or Kendall seems like a fairly obvious idea.. whatever though, as long as we win I've got no gripes.

[CUBZ99]

Cubs go this way

 

Soriano, LF

Jones, CF

Lee, 1B

Ramirez, 3B

Floyd, RF

DeRosa, 2B

Kendall, C

Theriot, SS

Marshall, P

 

Nice Lou is going for the throat. :D

[XZero771679666304]

As long as Cedeno doesn't pick up the start...

 

Isn't Cedeno the only other shortstop on the roster?

 

Fontenot has played 3 games there this year. Granted he's not a SS - but I'd still rather see him in there than Cedeno. DeRosa also played a game at short.

 

Fontenot may be the easiest out on the team right now.

[CUBZ99]

As long as Cedeno doesn't pick up the start...

 

Isn't Cedeno the only other shortstop on the roster?

 

Fontenot has played 3 games there this year. Granted he's not a SS - but I'd still rather see him in there than Cedeno. DeRosa also played a game at short.

 

Fontenot may be the easiest out on the team right now.

 

You must have forgotten how bad Cedeno has played this year. Four of the starting pitchers (Z, Marquis, Lilly, Hill) have a better batting average than Cedeno.

 

.127 BA .169 OBP :pukel:

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

You must have forgotten how bad Cedeno has played this year. Four of the starting pitchers (Z, Marquis, Lilly, Hill) have a better batting average than Cedeno.

 

.127 BA .169 OBP :pukel:

 

04/02 - 09/15      AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP
Zambrano           73    8   19    1    0    2   26    5    1   25  0.260  0.270  0.356  0.626  0.370
Miller              4    0    1    0    0    0    1    0    0    0  0.250  0.250  0.250  0.500  0.250
Trachsel            5    0    1    0    0    0    1    0    0    1  0.200  0.200  0.200  0.400  0.250
Lilly              70    5   10    1    0    0   11    5    1   30  0.143  0.155  0.157  0.312  0.250
R Hill             57    0    8    2    0    0   10    5    1   31  0.140  0.155  0.175  0.331  0.308
Marquis            65    9    9    3    0    1   15    4    1   21  0.138  0.152  0.231  0.382  0.186
Cedeno             55    4    7    2    0    2   15    7    3   12  0.127  0.172  0.273  0.445  0.122
Marshall           28    0    2    1    0    0    3    0    1   13  0.071  0.103  0.107  0.211  0.133

[XZero771679666304]

As long as Cedeno doesn't pick up the start...

 

Isn't Cedeno the only other shortstop on the roster?

 

Fontenot has played 3 games there this year. Granted he's not a SS - but I'd still rather see him in there than Cedeno. DeRosa also played a game at short.

 

Fontenot may be the easiest out on the team right now.

 

You must have forgotten how bad Cedeno has played this year. Four of the starting pitchers (Z, Marquis, Lilly, Hill) have a better batting average than Cedeno.

 

.127 BA .169 OBP :pukel:

 

Sample size. The fact is that Fontenot has been a nearly automatic out for quite a while now. His numbers only look respectable because of his red hot start.

 

I just think he's been exposed, and would rather Patterson be getting his AB's. Well, that is if Eric could show up on time.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Cedeno is any better. But at this point he's not any worse, either.

[Fred Hornkohl]

As long as Cedeno doesn't pick up the start...

 

Isn't Cedeno the only other shortstop on the roster?

 

Fontenot has played 3 games there this year. Granted he's not a SS - but I'd still rather see him in there than Cedeno. DeRosa also played a game at short.

 

Fontenot may be the easiest out on the team right now.

 

What am I missing with Fontenot ????

 

09/04 - 09/15      AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP
Fontenot           14    4    6    1    0    0    7    1    1    2  0.429  0.438  0.500  0.938  0.500

[inari]

Sample size Fred, sample size. :wink:

[CUBZ99]

As long as Cedeno doesn't pick up the start...

 

Isn't Cedeno the only other shortstop on the roster?

 

Fontenot has played 3 games there this year. Granted he's not a SS - but I'd still rather see him in there than Cedeno. DeRosa also played a game at short.

 

Fontenot may be the easiest out on the team right now.

 

What am I missing with Fontenot ????

 

09/04 - 09/15      AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP
Fontenot           14    4    6    1    0    0    7    1    1    2  0.429  0.438  0.500  0.938  0.500

 

Dunno, I just looked up his September splits and he has been red hot in September so far. His PH numbers are also very good.

[CubColtPacer]

As long as Cedeno doesn't pick up the start...

 

Isn't Cedeno the only other shortstop on the roster?

 

Fontenot has played 3 games there this year. Granted he's not a SS - but I'd still rather see him in there than Cedeno. DeRosa also played a game at short.

 

Fontenot may be the easiest out on the team right now.

 

You must have forgotten how bad Cedeno has played this year. Four of the starting pitchers (Z, Marquis, Lilly, Hill) have a better batting average than Cedeno.

 

.127 BA .169 OBP :pukel:

 

Sample size. The fact is that Fontenot has been a nearly automatic out for quite a while now. His numbers only look respectable because of his red hot start.

 

I just think he's been exposed, and would rather Patterson be getting his AB's. Well, that is if Eric could show up on time.

 

Fontenot has sort of leveled off from his steep decline. Since August 22nd he's been an 800 OPS guy (only 27 AB's before today). So basically Fontenot had a red hot start, an absolutely awful month and a half, and now he's right in the middle where he should be. He's not the good player he showed in the beginning, but he isn't an automatic out anymore like Cedeno has been all year.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Sample size Fred, sample size. :wink:

 

Store that sample size at body temperature, and out of direct sunlight !!

 

The assertion was that Fontenot was the "easiest out on the team right now".

 

The data doesn't back that up.

[XZero771679666304]

As long as Cedeno doesn't pick up the start...

 

Isn't Cedeno the only other shortstop on the roster?

 

Fontenot has played 3 games there this year. Granted he's not a SS - but I'd still rather see him in there than Cedeno. DeRosa also played a game at short.

 

Fontenot may be the easiest out on the team right now.

 

You must have forgotten how bad Cedeno has played this year. Four of the starting pitchers (Z, Marquis, Lilly, Hill) have a better batting average than Cedeno.

 

.127 BA .169 OBP :pukel:

 

Sample size. The fact is that Fontenot has been a nearly automatic out for quite a while now. His numbers only look respectable because of his red hot start.

 

I just think he's been exposed, and would rather Patterson be getting his AB's. Well, that is if Eric could show up on time.

 

Fontenot has sort of leveled off from his steep decline. Since August 22nd he's been an 800 OPS guy (only 27 AB's before today). So basically Fontenot had a red hot start, an absolutely awful month and a half, and now he's right in the middle where he should be. He's not the good player he showed in the beginning, but he isn't an automatic out anymore like Cedeno has been all year.

 

I think Fontenot is only even medocre when his ab's are limited. If you take out his hot start, there is a pretty strong negative correlation between his ab's and performance.

 

I am not trying to advocate Cedeno by any means, but I don't really want to see Fontenot getting any meaningful ab's. Both he and Cedeno should be garbage time players.

 

If someone is needed, I'd rather see Epatt get the at bats.

[XZero771679666304]

Sample size Fred, sample size. :wink:

 

Store that sample size at body temperature, and out of direct sunlight !!

 

The assertion was that Fontenot was the "easiest out on the team right now".

 

The data doesn't back that up.

 

Outside of Cedeno, who isn't playing anyway?

 

He hit .211 in July and .208 in August. His OBP was up in August, but his OPS was still sub-.650. His OPS since the break is .612, and his SLG is lower than his OBP.

 

He's been better over his past 20 or so AB's, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if he was the last (or next to last) option off the bench.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Sample size Fred, sample size. :wink:

 

Store that sample size at body temperature, and out of direct sunlight !!

 

The assertion was that Fontenot was the "easiest out on the team right now".

 

The data doesn't back that up.

 

Outside of Cedeno, who isn't playing anyway?

 

He hit .211 in July and .208 in August. His OBP was up in August, but his OPS was still sub-.650. His OPS since the break is .612, and his SLG is lower than his OBP.

 

He's been better over his past 20 or so AB's, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if he was the last (or next to last) option off the bench.

 

If you had said Fontenot was the "easiest out on the team since the All Star Break"..... I don't even respond. But you didn't, you said he was the easiest out on the the team "right now". That's all I responded to. It kind of crosses the line from reasonable analysis to hyperbole. I really have no illusions about how good Mike Fontenot is and I'm not lobbying for him to get more playing time..... I'm simply saying that in the very recent past, he's been anything but and easy out.

[Mizzou]

Ryan Ludwick hitting cleanup, LOL.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Saturday 15 September 2007

CUBS @ St. Louis

19:05

 

 

CUBS

 

Soriano, lf

Jones, cf

D Lee, 1b

Ramirez, 3b

Floyd, rf

DeRosa, 2b

Kendall, c

Theriot, ss

Marshall, p

 

 

St. Louis

 

Taguchi, lf

Ryan, ss

Pujols, 1b

Ludwick, rf

Edmonds, cf

Molina, c

Spezio, 3b

Piniero, p

Cairo, 2b

[E.J.]

Ryan Ludwick hitting cleanup, LOL.

 

St. Louis

Taguchi, LF

Ryan, SS

Pujols, 1B

Ludwick, RF

Edmonds, CF

Molina, C

Spiezio, 3B

Pineiro, P

Cairo, 2B

 

 

God that's a terrible lineup. I honestly think that might be one of the worst lineups I've ever seen.

[Mizzou]

I really wonder how Spezio came back so quickly. He did blow for years and years, goes to rehab for a few weeks and now he's fully recovered? I don't buy it.

[UMFan83]

Damn, Molina is catching both games.

[Omar]

Damn, Molina is catching both games.

 

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[C.C.]

Damn, Molina is catching both games.

 

:shock:

[Roast]

Damn, Molina is catching both games.

 

:shock:

 

He's going to need knee-replacement surgery by the 5th inning.

[gflore34]

Ryan Ludwick hitting cleanup, LOL.

 

Pretty pathetic what LaRussa has had to resort to, can't say I'm not throughly enjoying it.