College Football - Week of 9/15

[CuseCubFan69]

Mizzou barely beat a team that all of their fans around here thought they would kill, while said team's starting QB was injured. Is Illinois ranked with that win? I don't think so.

 

Either Mizzou's worse than people think or U of I is better, but instead you still have snide comments about U of I being terrible, and Big XII North championships for Missouri.

 

The only thing I said about predicting the outcome is that Mizzou was going to score a bunch of points.

 

And even then, you're confusing people and for some reason taking it out on Mizzou/the Mizzou fans here. It wasn't even a Mizzou/B12 guy who said something about Mizzou being a surprise team this year that could win the B12(Dew, I think), and I was the first person to point out that our defense isn't good enough to do that. In the same way, it's not the Mizzou/B12 guys who are trying to keep U of I down by saying Syracuse sucks, etc.(yet there has been the opposite being said by U of I folk).

 

Well we're only a quarter of the way there and there's a ton of football yet to be played so I'm looking forward in seeing how this all develops!

 

And Syracuse does stink this year. :cry:

 

Good luck with your Mizzou team and wasn't Michigan St your favorite before you went to school?

[CuseCubFan69]

i think if PSU went 12-0, people would still say they're no good because Wisconsin didn't destroy The Citadel and OSU only beat Akron by 18.

 

I think any team that goes 12-0, unless it like a Hawaii situation, deserves some kudos because it's a tough thing to do.

[Soul]

i think if PSU went 12-0, people would still say they're no good because Wisconsin didn't destroy The Citadel and OSU only beat Akron by 18.

 

Probably. Blame the system. When you make point differential & strength of schedule count for so much in the rankings, it's really no wonder that fans start taking it into account when talking smack.

 

Until there's a valid playoff system (probably never), such is NCAA Div 1-A football.

[Derwood]

i think if PSU went 12-0, people would still say they're no good because Wisconsin didn't destroy The Citadel and OSU only beat Akron by 18.

 

Probably. Blame the system. When you make point differential & strength of schedule count for so much in the rankings, it's really no wonder that fans start taking it into account when talking smack.

 

Until there's a valid playoff system (probably never), such is NCAA Div 1-A football.

 

i'm pretty sure that point differential is out of the computer rankings in the BCS, but it certainly influences the department secretaries who fill out the Coaches Poll ballots

[CuseCubFan69]

i think if PSU went 12-0, people would still say they're no good because Wisconsin didn't destroy The Citadel and OSU only beat Akron by 18.

 

Probably. Blame the system. When you make point differential & strength of schedule count for so much in the rankings, it's really no wonder that fans start taking it into account when talking smack.

 

Until there's a valid playoff system (probably never), such is NCAA Div 1-A football.

 

I really hope that after the regular season/Champ games are over there are 4 undefeated teams.

[Derwood]

i think if PSU went 12-0, people would still say they're no good because Wisconsin didn't destroy The Citadel and OSU only beat Akron by 18.

 

Probably. Blame the system. When you make point differential & strength of schedule count for so much in the rankings, it's really no wonder that fans start taking it into account when talking smack.

 

Until there's a valid playoff system (probably never), such is NCAA Div 1-A football.

 

I really hope that after the regular season/Champ games are over there are 4 undefeated teams.

 

and that after the bowl games there are still 3

[Soul]

i think if PSU went 12-0, people would still say they're no good because Wisconsin didn't destroy The Citadel and OSU only beat Akron by 18.

 

Probably. Blame the system. When you make point differential & strength of schedule count for so much in the rankings, it's really no wonder that fans start taking it into account when talking smack.

 

Until there's a valid playoff system (probably never), such is NCAA Div 1-A football.

 

I really hope that after the regular season/Champ games are over there are 4 undefeated teams.

 

and that after the bowl games there are still 3

 

Brings up a humorous point. I think alot of college football fans now root for the most troublesome outcome just to see the BCS squirm. It's fun, actually 8-)

[CuseCubFan69]

i think if PSU went 12-0, people would still say they're no good because Wisconsin didn't destroy The Citadel and OSU only beat Akron by 18.

 

Probably. Blame the system. When you make point differential & strength of schedule count for so much in the rankings, it's really no wonder that fans start taking it into account when talking smack.

 

Until there's a valid playoff system (probably never), such is NCAA Div 1-A football.

 

I really hope that after the regular season/Champ games are over there are 4 undefeated teams.

 

and that after the bowl games there are still 3

 

Brings up a humorous point. I think alot of college football fans now root for the most troublesome outcome just to see the BCS squirm. It's fun, actually 8-)

 

Now, if the last undefeated teams are USC, LSU, Rutgers, Hawaii and Purdue we know what 2 teams will go to the BCS Championship game. Rutgers wouldn't because well, darn it they're Rutgers and from the Big East. Purdue wouldn't because the Big 10 was down this year. Hawaii has a strength of schedule that would rival any D2 team. Florida, Oklahoma, and BC would fill the last BCS spots. What are the BCS matchups this year?

[Derwood]

What are the BCS matchups this year?

 

the usual:

 

Rose: Big 10 champ vs. Pac 10 champ

Orange: ACC champ vs. At Large

Fiesta: Big 12 champ vs. At Large

Sugar: SEC champ vs. At Large

 

Big East is the only BCS conference that doesn't "host" a BCS bowl game, and, of course, if the #1 and #2 teams in the country are conference champs, then more at-larges will get into these 4 bowls

[CuseCubFan69]

What are the BCS matchups this year?

 

the usual:

 

Rose: Big 10 champ vs. Pac 10 champ

Orange: ACC champ vs. At Large

Fiesta: Big 12 champ vs. At Large

Sugar: SEC champ vs. At Large

 

Big East is the only BCS conference that doesn't "host" a BCS bowl game, and, of course, if the #1 and #2 teams in the country are conference champs, then more at-larges will get into these 4 bowls

 

Oh goody, we'll get stuck playing an ACC team again or Hawaii.

 

Hey Illinois people. What did you think of Adrian Dantleys kid throwing a TD against you on Saturday?

[Mephistopheles]

i think if PSU went 12-0, people would still say they're no good because Wisconsin didn't destroy The Citadel and OSU only beat Akron by 18.

 

I think any team that goes 12-0, unless it like a Hawaii situation, deserves some kudos because it's a tough thing to do.

 

the question is would a 0 loss Penn State team going to have a better case than one loss LSU and one loss UF teams? The answer is probably not.

[soccer10k]

i think if PSU went 12-0, people would still say they're no good because Wisconsin didn't destroy The Citadel and OSU only beat Akron by 18.

 

Is that before the bowl game or after? If Penn State, or Wisconsin or OSU for that matter, go undefeated through the regular season this year, there is going to be some skepticism about that team because of what happened to OSU and UM in the bowl games last year. But if Penn State wins the National Title, people will give them the respect they deserve.

[Derwood]

i think if PSU went 12-0, people would still say they're no good because Wisconsin didn't destroy The Citadel and OSU only beat Akron by 18.

 

I think any team that goes 12-0, unless it like a Hawaii situation, deserves some kudos because it's a tough thing to do.

 

the question is would a 0 loss Penn State team going to have a better case than one loss LSU and one loss UF teams? The answer is probably not.

 

in the current system, absolutely. undefeated trumps one loss just about every time (when talking about BCS conference teams)

[Mephistopheles]

we are not talking about the current system so the answer is not absolutely. we're talking about worth and merit not some stupid system that accepts wins as absolute.

[Derwood]

we are not talking about the current system so the answer is not absolutely. we're talking about worth and merit not some stupid system that accepts wins as absolute.

 

this is a really dumb post

[Mephistopheles]

not really. i understand the system would select an undefeated psu team.

 

does that mean that psu should be there? absolutely not

[Derwood]

not really. i understand the system would select an undefeated psu team.

 

does that mean that psu should be there? absolutely not

 

cool. next year, we just won't have wins or losses and we'll nominate you to decide who "deserves" to be there

[Mephistopheles]

Some people just don't get it. I'll use the baseball analogy again, if a team wins the game it doesnt mean theyre better. If a team in baseball goes 20-15 out of the gate it doesnt mean they are a better team than the one who went 18-17.

 

 

Jesus christ this world is built upon falsehoods.

[CuseCubFan69]

Some people just don't get it. I'll use the baseball analogy again, if a team wins the game it doesnt mean theyre better. If a team in baseball goes 20-15 out of the gate it doesnt mean they are a better team than the one who went 18-17.

 

 

Jesus christ this world is built upon falsehoods.

 

Then what is better?

[Mephistopheles]

The original BCS formula for one...the one that included margin of victory.

 

 

Assume this. Penn State goes undefeated their best win is against Wisconsin or Ohio State, two teams that will probably have 2 or 3 losses. They really don't play one of the elite three {USC, UF, LSU}. If UF/LSU play two close games decided by less than a touchdown each and both win one, who's to say they both aren't better than PSU? Both teams losses are because of SOS. Since both games are close, there's considerable evidence to argue that they are both better than PSU despite PSU going undefeated.

 

 

And notice how I didn't include OU in the elite. I think theyre a tad overrated right now.

[CuseCubFan69]

LoK...is this your line of thinking....

 

USC plays schedule X and goes 10-2

Penn St plays schedule Y and goes 12-0

 

If Penn St plays schedule X they go 8-4

 

Thus, USC is better.

[Mephistopheles]

pretty much. i think we can all agree that the game of the season is that LSU/UF match up followed closely by USC-Cal although that one always lets us down.

 

Id argue that the winner of the LSU UF game doesn't matter. If the other team wins out theyre in the BCS championship.

[CuseCubFan69]

pretty much. i think we can all agree that the game of the season is that LSU/UF match up followed closely by USC-Cal although that one always lets us down.

 

Id argue that the winner of the LSU UF game doesn't matter. If the other team wins out theyre in the BCS championship.

 

The problem I have with that is will they win the rest of their games too? I think in that type of scenario you lessen the effect of a loss to, let's say Oregon St, than to a Cal. Why? Now, if USC/Cal and LSU/Florida are undefeated your scenario may fly but you also have the Championship game in the SEC that may throw a monkey wrench into it, unless by your reasoning, if say LSU losses that game it's a moot point. Unless, LSU beats Florida in the regular season and then Florida beats LSU in the Championship game and they both are 11-1, what do you do?

[Mephistopheles]

not really. if either one goes 1 loss up to the SEC-C and wins the championship, theyre in so long as there arent two undefeated teams, which is unlikely. If both go 12-0 and 11-1 to the SEC-C, the winner of the SEC-C is going to the NC regardless of how many undefeated teams there are so long as the games are close.

[CuseCubFan69]

not really. if either one goes 1 loss up to the SEC-C and wins the championship, theyre in so long as there arent two undefeated teams, which is unlikely. If both go 12-0 and 11-1 to the SEC-C, the winner of the SEC-C is going to the NC regardless of how many undefeated teams there are so long as the games are close.

 

But in your train of thought, a 12-0 Penn State, a 12-0 USC, a 11-1 LSU and a 11-1 Florida after the circumstances of what I wrote, what 2 teams go to the BCS Championship game?