Ankiel and HGH

[The Voice of Reason]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

[NonProfitCow]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment. But if there were pills that would allow them to be smarter in college I would be all for it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment. But if there were pills that would allow them to be smarter in college I would be all for it.

 

What if those pills could cause serious health risks later in life?

[The Voice of Reason]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment.[/quote]

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

Not the lesson I would want to teach my kids but hey to each his own.

[BigbadB]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

And when you are caught doing it, you no longer look like the svelt, well toned 6 foot tall athlete that I remembered you to be. All I see is a 6' tall syringe stepping to the plate. If that's how you wish to be remembered, more power to you. Enjoy your millions and all the public castration.

 

I wonder if Mark McGuire had it all to do over again, if he would have gone near the stuff. I'll also bet there isn't a public place he can go without hearing whispers.

[NonProfitCow]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment. But if there were pills that would allow them to be smarter in college I would be all for it.

 

What if those pills could cause serious health risks later in life?

 

If they could, I wouldn't encourage them but I wouldn't really get upset with them either. The health effects of HGH are unknown, it's not like old school steroids. I can tell you how I personally feel. I would gladly trade 5 years of "normal" life for 5 years of leading a much more successful one.

[wade]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

I've been tempted to get on the gas simply because I'm into weightlifting and I want to get bigger and stronger. (I haven't ever) edit- done the steroids. didn't want anyone to think i hadn't gotten swole over time. :D

 

I agree, these guys have much, much more to gain and I am also not surprised they would do it, and I guess it doesn't completely infuriate me for that reason.

 

Plus, every dang sport does it.

Edited September 7, 2007 by wade

[NonProfitCow]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

And when you are caught doing it, you no longer look like the svelt, well toned 6 foot tall athlete that I remembered you to be. All I see is a 6' tall syringe stepping to the plate. If that's how you wish to be remembered, more power to you. Enjoy your millions and all the public castration.

 

I wonder if Mark McGuire had it all to do over again, if he would have gone near the stuff. I'll also bet there isn't a public place he can go without hearing whispers.

 

Mark McGwire is a bit on the extreme side of things. Do you really think that in20 years anyone is going to look at Troy Glaus and whisper about how 23 years ago he cheated at baseball? I don't look at Sosa and see a corked bat, I see a helluva a baseball player that tried to get an edge.

[The Voice of Reason]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

And when you are caught doing it, you no longer look like the svelt, well toned 6 foot tall athlete that I remembered you to be. All I see is a 6' tall syringe stepping to the plate. If that's how you wish to be remembered, more power to you. Enjoy your millions and all the public castration.

 

I wonder if Mark McGuire had it all to do over again, if he would have gone near the stuff. I'll also bet there isn't a public place he can go without hearing whispers.

 

Or at least been a man at the congressional hearings and admitted it instead of coming off like a fool. This country is very forgiving to people that admit their mistakes.

[BigbadB]

Mark McGwire is a bit on the extreme side of things. Do you really think that in20 years anyone is going to look at Troy Glaus and whisper about how 23 years ago he cheated at baseball? I don't look at Sosa and see a corked bat, I see a helluva a baseball player that tried to get an edge.

 

Well, the point I'm trying to make is that MLB needs to put a stop to it now, and stop allowing players to get away with it to the point they've already made their millions. Strip them of their opportunity to earn millions by catching them and booting them right away.

 

To those who cheated and got away with it, I hope their pee-pees fall off. :D

[NonProfitCow]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment.[/quote]

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

Not the lesson I would want to teach my kids but hey to each his own.

 

Let me ask you a question.

 

Imagine you are a 24 year old minor league pitcher. You know the only thing keeping you from becoming a major leaguer is a better fastball. If you thought you could take something that would give you an extra 5-8mph on your fastball and get you to the big leagues, would you take it or just continue to toil in the minors for no money knowing you're not going to make it?

[BigbadB]

Mark McGwire

 

And you've officially made a bigger deal of the spelling of McGwire's name than the mockery he made of baseball. Cool.

[NonProfitCow]

Mark McGwire is a bit on the extreme side of things. Do you really think that in20 years anyone is going to look at Troy Glaus and whisper about how 23 years ago he cheated at baseball? I don't look at Sosa and see a corked bat, I see a helluva a baseball player that tried to get an edge.

 

Well, the point I'm trying to make is that MLB needs to put a stop to it now, and stop allowing players to get away with it to the point they've already made their millions. Strip them of their opportunity to earn millions by catching them and booting them right away.

 

To those who cheated and got away with it, I hope their pee-pees fall off. :D

 

I completely agree with you. I'm just saying that I know why they did it and don't harbor any bad feeling towards them for having done so. In their situations, I probably would have done the same thing.

[NonProfitCow]

Mark McGwire

 

And you've officially made a bigger deal of the spelling of McGwire's name than the mockery he made of baseball. Cool.

 

No, I officially pointed out the spelling mistake. I don't know how he made a mockery of baseball though.

[The Voice of Reason]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment.[/quote]

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

Not the lesson I would want to teach my kids but hey to each his own.

 

Let me ask you a question.

 

Imagine you are a 24 year old minor league pitcher. You know the only thing keeping you from becoming a major leaguer is a better fastball. If you thought you could take something that would give you an extra 5-8mph on your fastball and get you to the big leagues, would you take it or just continue to toil in the minors for no money knowing you're not going to make it?

 

Would I place fame and fortune above honesty and integrity?

 

NO, I couldn't live with myself. I would hang up the cleats and find a way to make a honest living. I'd have less money but at least when I talked to my kids about values like honesty and integrity I could look them in the eye and wouldn't be a hypochrite.

 

Now how about answering my question.

[NonProfitCow]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment.[/quote]

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

Not the lesson I would want to teach my kids but hey to each his own.

 

Let me ask you a question.

 

Imagine you are a 24 year old minor league pitcher. You know the only thing keeping you from becoming a major leaguer is a better fastball. If you thought you could take something that would give you an extra 5-8mph on your fastball and get you to the big leagues, would you take it or just continue to toil in the minors for no money knowing you're not going to make it?

 

Would I place fame and fortune above honesty and integrity?

 

NO, I couldn't live with myself. I would hang up the cleats and find a way to make a honest living. I'd have less money but at least when I talked to my kids about values like honesty and integrity I could look them in the eye and wouldn't be a hypochrite.

 

Now how about answering my question.

 

Sure. What's the question?

[The Voice of Reason]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment.[/quote]

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

Not the lesson I would want to teach my kids but hey to each his own.

 

Let me ask you a question.

 

Imagine you are a 24 year old minor league pitcher. You know the only thing keeping you from becoming a major leaguer is a better fastball. If you thought you could take something that would give you an extra 5-8mph on your fastball and get you to the big leagues, would you take it or just continue to toil in the minors for no money knowing you're not going to make it?

 

Would I place fame and fortune above honesty and integrity?

 

NO, I couldn't live with myself. I would hang up the cleats and find a way to make a honest living. I'd have less money but at least when I talked to my kids about values like honesty and integrity I could look them in the eye and wouldn't be a hypochrite.

 

Now how about answering my question.

 

Sure. What's the question?

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

[NonProfitCow]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment.[/quote]

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

Not the lesson I would want to teach my kids but hey to each his own.

 

Let me ask you a question.

 

Imagine you are a 24 year old minor league pitcher. You know the only thing keeping you from becoming a major leaguer is a better fastball. If you thought you could take something that would give you an extra 5-8mph on your fastball and get you to the big leagues, would you take it or just continue to toil in the minors for no money knowing you're not going to make it?

 

Would I place fame and fortune above honesty and integrity?

 

NO, I couldn't live with myself. I would hang up the cleats and find a way to make a honest living. I'd have less money but at least when I talked to my kids about values like honesty and integrity I could look them in the eye and wouldn't be a hypochrite.

 

Now how about answering my question.

 

Sure. What's the question?

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

No, I wouldn't teach them that.

[The Voice of Reason]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment.[/quote]

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

Not the lesson I would want to teach my kids but hey to each his own.

 

Let me ask you a question.

 

Imagine you are a 24 year old minor league pitcher. You know the only thing keeping you from becoming a major leaguer is a better fastball. If you thought you could take something that would give you an extra 5-8mph on your fastball and get you to the big leagues, would you take it or just continue to toil in the minors for no money knowing you're not going to make it?

 

Would I place fame and fortune above honesty and integrity?

 

NO, I couldn't live with myself. I would hang up the cleats and find a way to make a honest living. I'd have less money but at least when I talked to my kids about values like honesty and integrity I could look them in the eye and wouldn't be a hypochrite.

 

Now how about answering my question.

 

Sure. What's the question?

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

No, I wouldn't teach them that.

 

Oh I see. Your one of those do as I say not as I do guys.

 

Not a walk the talk guy like me. Oh well like I said to each his own.

[wade]

Yikes.

 

So, do the walk the talk guys, or whatever, never make mistakes? 'Cause under that rule if you ever did anything wrong you could never have a kid. :D

[NonProfitCow]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment.[/quote]

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

Not the lesson I would want to teach my kids but hey to each his own.

 

Let me ask you a question.

 

Imagine you are a 24 year old minor league pitcher. You know the only thing keeping you from becoming a major leaguer is a better fastball. If you thought you could take something that would give you an extra 5-8mph on your fastball and get you to the big leagues, would you take it or just continue to toil in the minors for no money knowing you're not going to make it?

 

Would I place fame and fortune above honesty and integrity?

 

NO, I couldn't live with myself. I would hang up the cleats and find a way to make a honest living. I'd have less money but at least when I talked to my kids about values like honesty and integrity I could look them in the eye and wouldn't be a hypochrite.

 

Now how about answering my question.

 

Sure. What's the question?

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

No, I wouldn't teach them that.

 

Oh I see. Your one of those do as I say not as I do guys.

 

Not a walk the talk guy like me. Oh well like I said to each his own.

 

I guess if you just want to speak in generalities. I can own up to having made mistakes and bad decisions. But hey, the rest of us can't be perfect right?

[wondernorm]

Here's the only excuse I've ever given. I know that if I could take HGH or testosterone and it would help me play better, I would do it. I would do it because it could be the difference in 20 homers a year and 40 homers a year. The difference between those two are millions and millions of dollars.

 

Would you also teach your kids it's OK to cheat their way through college so they could get better grades and presumably a higher paying job? Or to trade on inside information in violation of the securities laws because it would allow them to make a great deal of money?

 

Absolutely not, but those aren't games meant for public enjoyment.[/quote]

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

Not the lesson I would want to teach my kids but hey to each his own.

 

Let me ask you a question.

 

Imagine you are a 24 year old minor league pitcher. You know the only thing keeping you from becoming a major leaguer is a better fastball. If you thought you could take something that would give you an extra 5-8mph on your fastball and get you to the big leagues, would you take it or just continue to toil in the minors for no money knowing you're not going to make it?

 

Would I place fame and fortune above honesty and integrity?

 

NO, I couldn't live with myself. I would hang up the cleats and find a way to make a honest living. I'd have less money but at least when I talked to my kids about values like honesty and integrity I could look them in the eye and wouldn't be a hypochrite.

 

Now how about answering my question.

 

Sure. What's the question?

 

So you would be OK teaching your kids that being unethical, not following the rules and cheating is OK as long as it's in a "game meant for public enjoyment" and it allowed them to make a lot of money?

 

No, I wouldn't teach them that.

 

Oh I see. Your one of those do as I say not as I do guys.

 

Not a walk the talk guy like me. Oh well like I said to each his own.

 

So you've never done something, or been tempted to do something, that you wouldn't want to teach your kids to do? If so, that is pretty damn remarkable.

[BigbadB]

Yikes.

 

So, do the walk the talk guys, or whatever, never make mistakes? 'Cause under that rule if you ever did anything wrong you could never have a kid. :D

 

It would probably be best for everyone, if people who lack integrity and will resort to cheating to get through life, elected not to reproduce. :wink:

[illiniguy]

Ok, so the Giambino didn't get suspended, but Neifi Perez and Alex Sanchez did. Some message Bud is sending.

[wade]

Yikes.

 

So, do the walk the talk guys, or whatever, never make mistakes? 'Cause under that rule if you ever did anything wrong you could never have a kid. :D

 

It would probably be best for everyone, if people who lack integrity and will resort to cheating to get through life, elected not to reproduce. :wink:

 

O.K. So it's the severity of the crime? Because, I for instance, drank beer before I was of legal age. According to what I'm reading that means I am forced to teach my kids that doing so is o.k. There's no way that I can tell them not to do that because I did it.

 

That don't make no sense to me.

 

Now, if the deal is because it's cheating, it's more severe, then maybe.

 

Bob, I get the sense that that's the rub with you and others and I dig it. But, in my neighborhood alone I can probably find several guys who have either cheated on their wife or on their taxes or on a test when they were in school. Those people get a pass because they're not ball players? I don't want to judge them that severely and I don't think they teach their kids to do what they may have done and now regret.