Monroe to Cubs for PTBNL / Coats DFA'd

[Brian]

Having it be Ohman would be very interesting.

 

That would get the Cubs out from under Ohman's guaranteed $1.6 next season, if you consider that to be a burden.

 

Tigers becoming the Cubs salary dump?

 

replacing Ohman's 1.6mill with Rapada/Piggy's league minimum doesn't seem like that big of deal but with uncertain ownership / financial situation it might be.

 

 

Though with the obvious price tag of the Cubs along with the well known about already handed out huge contracts, I'm beginning to not see the new owner being a penny pincher when it comes to payroll.

[Bruno7481]

Bruce says its not likely to be Ohman

 

As much as lefty reliever Will Ohman angered the Cubs with his claim of being injured upon being sent to Iowa this month, he almost certainly will not be the player to be named later for Monroe. Lefty pitchers Neal Cotts and Clay Rapada, both at Iowa, are candidates.

 

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=25283

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Well, I guess we're going to have to wait and see on this one. I trust Bruce that it won't be Ohman. It's going to be interesting to see if Ohman is brought back when rosters expand.

 

If one of those three is left at Iowa, that's likely the one who has been traded.

[RynoRules]

Cotts or Ohman - who cares? The classic garbage-in, garbage-out deal, except that the garbage we received has potential to at least be helpful.

[Guest]

If one of those three is left at Iowa, that's likely the one who has been traded.

 

Yup (unless it's Campusano - who also fits the lefty bill).

[Brian]

If one of those three is left at Iowa, that's likely the one who has been traded.

 

Yup (unless it's Campusano - who also fits the lefty bill).

 

he's the guy the Tigers have right now, right? So it would be Monroe for the right not to have to keep him on the 25 man next year?

[Guest]

If one of those three is left at Iowa, that's likely the one who has been traded.

 

Yup (unless it's Campusano - who also fits the lefty bill).

 

he's the guy the Tigers have right now, right? So it would be Monroe for the right not to have to keep him on the 25 man next year?

 

Yeah. They'd have to return him if he doesn't make the 25-man and that's a distinct possibility if his rehab from TJS is going slow. He made a really good impression with the Tigers during spring training.

[Guest]

If one of those three is left at Iowa, that's likely the one who has been traded.

 

Yup (unless it's Campusano - who also fits the lefty bill).

 

he's the guy the Tigers have right now, right? So it would be Monroe for the right not to have to keep him on the 25 man next year?

 

Yeah. They'd have to return him if he doesn't make the 25-man and that's a distinct possibility if his rehab from TJS is going slow. He made a really good impression with the Tigers during spring training.

Trading them a different lefty makes keeping Campy on the 25 man that much harder next year.

[JeffH]

It's not out of the realm of possibility that they get both Rapada and the rights to Campusano.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Not too bad of deal IMO. Monroe can hit lefties well and it appears the Cubs did not have to pick up too much of his salary.

[Laura]

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[JeffH]

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[GoCubsGo1679625768]

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[NCCubFan]

It's not out of the realm of possibility that they get both Rapada and the rights to Campusano.

If that were to happen I think the Tigers would send the Cubs another player. I've never heard of a PTBNL being settled with two players going the other way.

[wilk]

I would like to know why this trade will be completed by October 15th. It's been said enough places that I believe it's true but no one has said or been positive of the reason; I'm curious. Oct 15 is an important date for many end of season events -- electing free agency, demanding a trade, etc. But the waiver period ends November 10th and the only rule everyone is sure of is the six months to complete the PTBNL. It's speculated that it's whichever comes first of six months and the completion of season, but is anyone privy to the rule book here? It could just be that the clubs simply agreed on October 15th as the deadline. I also believe that the PTBNL would not have to clear waivers if traded after October 1st, which could make guys like Rapada and Cotts, who could otherwise have difficulty clearing waivers, more likely.

[NCCubFan]

I would like to know why this trade will be completed by October 15th. It's been said enough places that I believe it's true but no one has said or been positive of the reason; I'm curious. Oct 15 is an important date for many end of season events -- electing free agency, demanding a trade, etc. But the waiver period ends November 10th and the only rule everyone is sure of is the six months to complete the PTBNL. It's speculated that it's whichever comes first of six months and the completion of season, but is anyone privy to the rule book here? It could just be that the clubs simply agreed on October 15th as the deadline. I also believe that the PTBNL would not have to clear waivers if traded after October 1st, which could make guys like Rapada and Cotts, who could otherwise have difficulty clearing waivers, more likely.

I think that's most likely the case. Even though the rules stipulate 6 months, there's no reason the teams can't agree to an earlier deadline. If the teams have already agreed to who the player will be, and they just have to wait until the season is over to get around the need for waivers, there wouldn't be any reason to wait longer.

[CubinNY]

According to a Trib article, Detroit possibly wants Clay Rapada or Neal Cotts in return. I imagine this will take place after the season when the Cubs can move a player from the 40 man roster. It seems like an awful lot to pay for Monroe--if this is true.

 

Detroit is speculating that it's Rapada.

 

"Leyland stopped short of disclosing the traded player, but speculation is centered on Clay Rapada, who is 6-2 with a 3.74 ERA at Triple-A Iowa."

 

link

 

Rapada is on the 40-man, which means he'd have to clear waivers to be traded. Pretty doubtful that a cheap lefty reliever with decent numbers makes it through waivers.

 

Which is why they made it a PTBNL deal so that they could trade them Rapada after the year.

 

Personally, if it's a Cubs left-hander currently on the 40 man roster like Leyland said, then I don't really care if it is Eyre, Ohman, Cotts, or Rapada. They each have a small bit of value, but none of them have particularly great value now or in the future.

And Monroe has more value?

 

I don't really see it. I'm not against this trade I just don't really see much value in Monroe.

 

I know he's hit LHP well this year but he's a career .277 hitter against LHP. I guess he gives the Cubs some "versitility"*. They seem to really covit versital players.

 

* Versitility- ability to play more than one position.

 

His career OPS against left-handers is .821. Jones's career OPS against left-handers is .632. That will be most of Monroe's value right there with that 190 point difference.

The rest of his value will be in a right-handed pinch-hitting option. Since the Cubs have so many OF's that do not hit left-handers well (Jones, Floyd, Pie, Ward), it is really nice to have two options off of the bench that can pinch-hit for one of those OF's in a key situation, which allows one of them to pinch-hit for Jones for example when the team goes to a left-hander late and the other one can pinch-hit for the pitcher during the game.

 

So does Monroe provide a ton of value? Maybe not, but the addition of him in the lineup instead of Jones against LHP will help the team in its struggles against that side of the plate.

 

I think looking at his carrer OPS is a little decieving. In addition, I don't see him replacing Jones at all.

 

He had two seasons where his OPS against LHP was above .900, but for the most part he's been in the .700 range, still better than JJ, but really not that good at all. In fact, I'd would say the difference in improvement is so small that over the course of the next 6 weeks we're likely to see no difference at all. However, his SLG is certianly better than Jones.

 

At the same time, I have to ask, who will he be replacing? You seem to think it's Jones. I suspect it's Murton. After all it doesn't really make much sense b/c Jones is a lefty and Monroe is a righty.

 

I think when Soriano comes back we'll see an OF of Soriano, Jones, Monroe/Floyd.

 

If you compare him to Murton v LHP His numbers just don't stack up. Murton has an AVE, OBP, and OPS atvantage.

 

So, I don't really see what value Monroe brings to the Cubs. I suppose if he replaces Jones @ lefties that would be great, but I doubt that will happen.

 

Looks like Monroe wasn't replacing Jones after all.

 

Will wonders never cease?

[CubColtPacer]

According to a Trib article, Detroit possibly wants Clay Rapada or Neal Cotts in return. I imagine this will take place after the season when the Cubs can move a player from the 40 man roster. It seems like an awful lot to pay for Monroe--if this is true.

 

Detroit is speculating that it's Rapada.

 

"Leyland stopped short of disclosing the traded player, but speculation is centered on Clay Rapada, who is 6-2 with a 3.74 ERA at Triple-A Iowa."

 

link

 

Rapada is on the 40-man, which means he'd have to clear waivers to be traded. Pretty doubtful that a cheap lefty reliever with decent numbers makes it through waivers.

 

Which is why they made it a PTBNL deal so that they could trade them Rapada after the year.

 

Personally, if it's a Cubs left-hander currently on the 40 man roster like Leyland said, then I don't really care if it is Eyre, Ohman, Cotts, or Rapada. They each have a small bit of value, but none of them have particularly great value now or in the future.

And Monroe has more value?

 

I don't really see it. I'm not against this trade I just don't really see much value in Monroe.

 

I know he's hit LHP well this year but he's a career .277 hitter against LHP. I guess he gives the Cubs some "versitility"*. They seem to really covit versital players.

 

* Versitility- ability to play more than one position.

 

His career OPS against left-handers is .821. Jones's career OPS against left-handers is .632. That will be most of Monroe's value right there with that 190 point difference.

The rest of his value will be in a right-handed pinch-hitting option. Since the Cubs have so many OF's that do not hit left-handers well (Jones, Floyd, Pie, Ward), it is really nice to have two options off of the bench that can pinch-hit for one of those OF's in a key situation, which allows one of them to pinch-hit for Jones for example when the team goes to a left-hander late and the other one can pinch-hit for the pitcher during the game.

 

So does Monroe provide a ton of value? Maybe not, but the addition of him in the lineup instead of Jones against LHP will help the team in its struggles against that side of the plate.

 

I think looking at his carrer OPS is a little decieving. In addition, I don't see him replacing Jones at all.

 

He had two seasons where his OPS against LHP was above .900, but for the most part he's been in the .700 range, still better than JJ, but really not that good at all. In fact, I'd would say the difference in improvement is so small that over the course of the next 6 weeks we're likely to see no difference at all. However, his SLG is certianly better than Jones.

 

At the same time, I have to ask, who will he be replacing? You seem to think it's Jones. I suspect it's Murton. After all it doesn't really make much sense b/c Jones is a lefty and Monroe is a righty.

 

I think when Soriano comes back we'll see an OF of Soriano, Jones, Monroe/Floyd.

 

If you compare him to Murton v LHP His numbers just don't stack up. Murton has an AVE, OBP, and OPS atvantage.

 

So, I don't really see what value Monroe brings to the Cubs. I suppose if he replaces Jones @ lefties that would be great, but I doubt that will happen.

 

Looks like Monroe wasn't replacing Jones after all.

 

Will wonders never cease?

 

Yeah, I figured this one was coming :D. The early returns would certainly indicate that I was wrong, and it makes the trade a lot less valuable as a result.