8/22 Cubs (Hill) at Giants (Zito) 9:15 PM CT, WGN

[E.J.]

Nice work Rich.

[UMFan83]

Am I watching last nights game?

[Friendly Confines]

Great Job Hill..So its going to be like last night again

 

I was satisfied with the result of last night's game

[Mizzou]

How many pitches did he throw that inning?

[PrimeTime]

murton sucks..he hasn't done a damn thing besides like 2 solo shots

 

What an ignorant post. Murton has put up a .820 OPS the month of August, and you dont get that by just hitting 2 solo shots.

 

Murton has actually been propped up bigtime with his 3 HR's in August

 

55 AB's, .273/.333/.473, 3 HR, 2 2B

 

Now that's just fine-HR's are a great way to prop up numbers because there is less luck involved.

Really though, with such a small sample of at-bats, 2-3 home runs can mean the difference between being good and being awful. For example, Murton without those 3 HR's:

 

52 AB's, .231/.298/.269

 

So yes, the only thing Murton has done this month is those 3 HR's, but HR's are such a big scoring play that those are enough to make him have a good month so far anyway.

 

So taking out HRs makes a guy's numbers look bad??? Weird. I think it's his 3 outs that are dragging down his numbers. Let's magically transform his numbers to this instead.

 

288/351/500

 

Fun!!

 

The way people talk about Cliff Floyd around here you'd think he was Jesus Christ.

 

That was fun too!

 

LOL..The way people talk about Floyd? Its not even close to the Murton Nuthuggers on here.

[UMFan83]

Man the Cardinals are really pissing me off. They aren't that good, how the heck are they freaking winning

[Guest]

How many pitches did he throw that inning?

 

25 pitches.

[Guest]

murton sucks..he hasn't done a damn thing besides like 2 solo shots

 

What an ignorant post. Murton has put up a .820 OPS the month of August, and you dont get that by just hitting 2 solo shots.

 

Murton has actually been propped up bigtime with his 3 HR's in August

 

55 AB's, .273/.333/.473, 3 HR, 2 2B

 

Now that's just fine-HR's are a great way to prop up numbers because there is less luck involved.

Really though, with such a small sample of at-bats, 2-3 home runs can mean the difference between being good and being awful. For example, Murton without those 3 HR's:

 

52 AB's, .231/.298/.269

 

So yes, the only thing Murton has done this month is those 3 HR's, but HR's are such a big scoring play that those are enough to make him have a good month so far anyway.

 

So taking out HRs makes a guy's numbers look bad??? Weird. I think it's his 3 outs that are dragging down his numbers. Let's magically transform his numbers to this instead.

 

288/351/500

 

Fun!!

 

The way people talk about Cliff Floyd around here you'd think he was Jesus Christ.

 

That was fun too!

 

LOL..The way people talk about Floyd? Its not even close to the Murton Nuthuggers on here.

 

Do we really need to resort to such terms?

[E.J.]

Why are we still arguing over Floyd and Murton? They both suck.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

25 pitches... man rich

[hawkeyecub]

I know I'm late to the discussion but I'm not all that surprised that Murton is on the bench while Fox is in.

 

Lou, like many managers, hates having only options from one side of the plate off the bench. We have Ward, Fontenot and Pie (even though he won't get an AB) from the left side. If Murton is in the lineup then Floyd is also on the bench and he doesn't have a single RH bat to go to off the bench.

 

Not saying it's right or wrong, but that's his rationale.

 

If Lou is using the rational of starting weaker players who will get 4 ab's to save your better players for possibly 1 ab, and possibly no ab's, then he should be fired immediately.

 

There really isn't as big of a discrepency between Floyd and Murton as you make it sound. I wouldn't classify Floyd as a "weaker" player and Murton as one of our "better" players. He's not starting Fontenot over Ramirez.

 

They've both been non-productive. Honestly the hyperbole over this is just weird.

Edited August 23, 2007 by hawkeyecub

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Why are we still arguing over Floyd and Murton? They both suck.

 

hahaha agreed

[UMFan83]

Gosh, it seems like all Ramirez tries to do is hit HRs these days. That swing had serious upper cut

[PrimeTime]

Why are we still arguing over Floyd and Murton? They both suck.

 

I agree..Just because I or someone else badmouth Murton dosent mean were Floyd lovers..I dont like either of them

[UMFan83]

Looks like another pathetic performance against a mediocre lefty

[E.J.]

I'd love to see Floyd hit a ball hard one of these times.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think I've decided to be as obnoxiously hyperbolic about Floyd as the ginger haters are about Murton.

 

PRODIGOUS POWER FROM CLIFF FLOYD!!

[PrimeTime]

LOL..ya guys lets take 1 or 2 pitches each..jsut awsome

[Handlebar McSkullet]

GOOOD LORD STUPID COBS!!!!

[Soul]

This is ridiculous.

[E.J.]

Wow. Nice inning Cobs.

[Mizzou]

Man the Cardinals are really pissing me off. They aren't that good, how the heck are they freaking winning

I don't know, but it's pissing me off. These guys should be buried by now, yet they're right in the race.

 

Geez, how long did it take Zito to retire the side... 4 minutes?

[IowaCubsFan]

I don't understand what it is about mediocre, soft-tossing lefties that confounds this team.

[Soul]

Man the Cardinals are really pissing me off. They aren't that good, how the heck are they freaking winning

I don't know, but it's pissing me off. These guys should be buried by now, yet they're right in the race.

 

Geez, how long did it take Zito to retire the side... 4 minutes?

 

All we had to do was play .500 ball, stay 8 over, and this division would be ours right now.

 

But no, couldn't make it easy. Had to start sucking again.

[hawkeyecub]

I think I've decided to be as obnoxiously hyperbolic about Floyd as the ginger haters are about Murton.

 

PRODIGOUS POWER FROM CLIFF FLOYD!!

 

This is just absurd. People already do that with Cliff everytime he makes an out like that, just like they do with Murton. It's just annoying.

 

Neither of them have been productive. Just leave it at that and watch the game. I honestly think it's gotten to the point where people hope either Floyd/Murton make an out so they can say "I told you so" and make these stupid posts.